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State: New York
What age must wear PFD: Under age 12.
Vessel Length: See PFD Types.
When PFD
Must be Worn: Must be worn while vessel is underway.
Approved
PFD Styles: L.O.A UP TO 40 FEET: Type I or II when operating on Great
Lakes and oceans; I, II, or III when operating on inland waters other than
Lake Erie or Lake Ontario. LOA 40-65 FEET: All USCG Approved.
Exceptions when PFD does not need to be worn: When in a fully
enclosed cabin.




A Coast Guard proposal that would require all youngsters under age 13 to
wear a life jacket when on the deck of a boat underway -- except in those
states that already have a children's life jacket law -- was the subject of
a Congressional hearing in mid-May.

Testifying before the House Coast Guard and Maritime Subcommittee, BoatU.S.
Government Affairs Vice President, Michael Sciulla, pointed out that while
boaters are encouraged to wear life jackets when appropriate, this proposed
new requirement would not necessarily save many lives.

"When you investigate and analyze the actual boating accident reports it
turns out that of the 31 children under age 13 who drowned in a boating
accident in 1999, 18 of the 31 were from states that already require
children to wear a life jacket, eight were already wearing a life jacket but
perished, two died while the boat was at anchor and three were swimming, not
boating, accidents," he said. An average of 13 children died in each of the
three years 1996-1998.

"Without a concomitant increase in funding for law enforcement at the state
level and a commitment by the Coast Guard to dedicate more manpower to its
modest boating safety efforts on the navigable waters of the U.S., we are
unconvinced that the federal government is in a position to dictate to the
states on this issue," Sciulla said.



Effective December 23, 2002, in states where no children's life jacket law
is in place, a new U.S. Coast Guard interim rule will require children under
13 on moving boats to wear a U.S. Coast Guard approved life jacket that
fits. Fifteen states will be affected by the rule.

This new rule does not change or supercede the existing law in states which
have life jacket laws, it only applies to states which had no laws. Please
see the list below for the latest laws in your state.

Please note that these laws provide boaters with the minimum age that a
child is required to wear a life jacket. It is still a parent's
responsibility to decide if a child should wear a life jacket, even in
situations where the law does not require it.

Bob,

An approved, legal Life Jacket on every child under 13 should do it. A
life jacket Coast Guard approved on a kid under 13, in 90 degree heat
should make sailing a PITA for Kids. Should make them hate any kind of
boating. Less boaters===easy life for the Coasties.

Go watch the "Weekly Beer Can" races and count the crews with and
without Life Jackets. Check American Cup Crews, how many wear Life
Jackets? Even Coast Guard Crews in plus 90 degrees weather.

Hell, a man going up a mast to make repairs is a hazard wearing a LJ.

I'm not damning Life jackets; I am damning stupid Laws that are written
without making good sense. Written without any real thought of being
enforced.


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I'm not damning Life jackets; I am damning stupid Laws that are written

without making good sense. Written without any real thought of being
enforced.


Of course, Thom, and the heat is a real factor just as important as any
other. Thomas will wear his harness in quiet conditions and NO
LIFEJACKET if Suzanne or I are with him on very hot days. He can't fall
off the boat with the harness and he could be hurt by the heat with a
jacket on, no doubt. We know someone that this happened to and Suzanne
says children are at a very high risk for heat stroke.
For Mooron and Bob to suggest a child needs to wear a PFD at all
times...it's not only ignorant, we've never observed anyone who does
that. It's just not possible, let alone smart.
But even on a hot day, if the boat is moving and has us working, he'll
need to wear the PFD. I have spoken to a LOT of parents about this and
in severe heat the PFD presents it's own dangers, which we'll limit
with good hydration for starters. The other thing we're being careful
with is sun exposure. We're trying to sail early in the day or in the
early evening. Until Thomas is older, we're making sailing the most
positive experience possible for him. So far, so good!


RB
35s5
NY

"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
ps.com...

says children are at a very high risk for heat stroke.
For Mooron and Bob to suggest a child needs to wear a PFD at all
times...it's not only ignorant, we've never observed anyone who does
that. It's just not possible, let alone smart.


Next you'll be saying child seats and seatbelts are optional.

So now you have admitted several times that it is your practice for your kid
not to wear a lifevest.

If kids are at risk for heat stroke for wearing a safety device then don't
take them sailing. You always have the option of leaving them home. Or below
deck.

You are a monster for putting your kid at risk.

If anything did happen would you be able to live with the guilt?

Don't force the kid into dangerous situations. Leave him ashore.

If kids are at risk for heat stroke for wearing a safety device then
don't
take them sailing. You always have the option of leaving them home. Or
below
deck.


Utter nonsense. Taking even a short cruise means weather presents
certain risks ALWAYS. A wise parent doesn't mindlessly follow rules
that could prove to be dangerous in certain situations. You are not
only not a boater, but clearly not an educated parent.


You are a monster for putting your kid at risk.


YOU are the monster for suggesting a child should be put at risk for
heat stroke and even death by wearing a lifejacket at times when it's
not needed. A wise parent looks at ALL the conditions and makes a
judgement. Your advice is both robotic and mindless.


If anything did happen would you be able to live with the guilt?


Anytime you step into a car, boat or even outside your door there is a
risk...and few as great as putting a child in car. Unlike you Thomas
will grow up to be a man. We'll protect him as we see fit, not based on
some mantra chanted by followers. Bob, me thinks it's a good thing you
never procreated.


Don't force the kid into dangerous situations. Leave him ashore.


Yep, I know a few people like you. They have no problem putting their
children into a car and yet wonder if Thomas is in serious danger
aboard a sailboat. What awful cowards such as Bob exist in our
time...and they only wish to make more cowards of the youth around
them. In it's own way it's an inate jealousy, though not one that I can
understand.

The worst kind of coward is the type who wants everyone to share his
fears. I'm glad Thomas is not exposed to anyone like you.
Even for a troll, your post exposes a lot about you...and I'm surprised
you made such a post.


RB
35s5
NY

"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
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If kids are at risk for heat stroke for wearing a safety device then
don't
take them sailing. You always have the option of leaving them home. Or
below
deck.


Utter nonsense. Taking even a short cruise means weather presents
certain risks ALWAYS. A wise parent doesn't mindlessly follow rules
that could prove to be dangerous in certain situations. You are not
only not a boater, but clearly not an educated parent.


You are a monster for putting your kid at risk.


YOU are the monster for suggesting a child should be put at risk for
heat stroke and even death by wearing a lifejacket at times when it's
not needed. A wise parent looks at ALL the conditions and makes a
judgement. Your advice is both robotic and mindless.


If anything did happen would you be able to live with the guilt?


Anytime you step into a car, boat or even outside your door there is a
risk...and few as great as putting a child in car. Unlike you Thomas
will grow up to be a man. We'll protect him as we see fit, not based on
some mantra chanted by followers. Bob, me thinks it's a good thing you
never procreated.


Don't force the kid into dangerous situations. Leave him ashore.


Yep, I know a few people like you. They have no problem putting their
children into a car and yet wonder if Thomas is in serious danger
aboard a sailboat. What awful cowards such as Bob exist in our
time...and they only wish to make more cowards of the youth around
them. In it's own way it's an inate jealousy, though not one that I can
understand.

The worst kind of coward is the type who wants everyone to share his
fears. I'm glad Thomas is not exposed to anyone like you.
Even for a troll, your post exposes a lot about you...and I'm surprised
you made such a post.

I don't own a boat.

I don't have kids.

You let Thomas dictate what is right or wrong.

What cars do you drive? hmmm?

The highest crash rated tanks around - KIA and Tribeca.

You, sir, are not only a hypocrite, but a coward of unequalled magnitude.

Once again, you steam rolled yourself!

Bwahahahahahaha!!!!

Once again, you steam rolled yourself!



Uh, Bob. That was really sad. You failed to make any points.


RB
35s5
NY

Nutsy,

I'm willing to bet there are more children killed in cars wearing seat
belts than kids in sailboats not wearing life vests.



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There's no need to bet. That's really comparing different things. It seems
like a pretty smart thing to wear seat belts and PFDs as appropriate to the
activity. :-)

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"Thom Stewart" wrote in message
...
Nutsy,

I'm willing to bet there are more children killed in cars wearing seat
belts than kids in sailboats not wearing life vests.



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