light air
 

Some of my students struggling with light air... Fortunately, the weather
has cooled off, so today should be a bit better. Notice the kayak drifting
faster than they're sailing... :-)

http://sailnow.photosite.com/CSUS6-29-2006/

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light air
 

Capt. JG wrote:
Some of my students struggling with light air... Fortunately, the weather
has cooled off, so today should be a bit better. Notice the kayak drifting
faster than they're sailing... :-)

http://sailnow.photosite.com/CSUS6-29-2006/

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Man....when the water is that flat here we do not bother. Being a 100
degrees with no breeze makes crappy sailing.

Do you get a regular sea breeze near or after sunset?
Where is that?

Joe

light air
 

It's on the lake... nothing to do with the bay. Typically, it picks up very
late in the afternoon, so if you really get stranded, you just have to wait.
It's actually called the delta breeze. In the morning it goes in one
direction, then switches 180 late in the day.

In the bay, it's a different story. Typically, light air in the morning,
then as the inland valley heats up, the wind machine kicks in. It can easily
go from 5 kts to 35 kts in a matter of a 1/2 hour.

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"Joe" wrote in message
oups.com...

Capt. JG wrote:
Some of my students struggling with light air... Fortunately, the weather
has cooled off, so today should be a bit better. Notice the kayak
drifting
faster than they're sailing... :-)

http://sailnow.photosite.com/CSUS6-29-2006/

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Man....when the water is that flat here we do not bother. Being a 100
degrees with no breeze makes crappy sailing.

Do you get a regular sea breeze near or after sunset?
Where is that?

Joe

light air
 

Capt. Rob wrote:
Man....when the water is that flat here we do not bother. Being a 100
degrees with no breeze makes crappy sailing.



No, that's not what a sailor does. You get out there, hoist the sails
and practice light air with whatever comes.



That would be true if you did not live on the water, I understand your
severe limitations. You lubbers should take full advantage of the
restricted access you have to the water. You need to sit in a
breathless still and waddle yer fat arses back and forth the generate
forward moment. Flap yer flabby arms too, thatta help. Tie a string on
yer kid and have him pull you, whatever.....

I can afford to pick and choose when to sail.

The flat water rarely lasts
and you get valuable lessons on how to make the hull go in all
conditions.

Yeah like getting back in outta the heat.

Of course Joe has a motorsailor, so these fine points are lost on him
and his ultra heavy powersailor. Just turn the key, Joe. It's what you
do best.

Indeed, If Im cruising somewhere that's exactly what I will do, unless
I perfer to drift fish, swim, or have an extreme need to conserve fuel.
Move to the winds and harness them.

To bad your day sailor is not a real Sailors boat and devoid of all
engines. Face it bubbles you have an underpowered motor sailor, with
heavy AC's that are usless underway. At least it's not as pathetic as
Capt. Neal with his stick on egg beater. Get a clue bonehead.

Capt Joe... to you






RB
35s5
NY

light air
 

I can understand why, with the conditions you generally experience in
that
end of the Sound at this time of year,



Dave, do you know of what you speak? In the last few years we've had
very very few of those days. Winds have been brisk. Everyone seems to
think that the weather patern is far different. The only flat water
I've seen is when I did a tow last Sunday to remove a dead dock from
our area.
That said, light air sailing is something folks should know how to do
well. I don't sit at the dock when it does happen. That's for guys with
Motorsailors who call 10 knots light air.


RB
35s5
NY

light air
 

I noticed the boom slants downward from the mast.

What brand of boat is that?

"Capt. JG" wrote in message
...
Some of my students struggling with light air... Fortunately, the weather
has cooled off, so today should be a bit better. Notice the kayak drifting
faster than they're sailing... :-)

http://sailnow.photosite.com/CSUS6-29-2006/

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light air
 

"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
ups.com...

Man....when the water is that flat here we do not bother. Being a 100
degrees with no breeze makes crappy sailing.



No, that's not what a sailor does. You get out there, hoist the sails
and practice light air with whatever comes. The flat water rarely lasts
and you get valuable lessons on how to make the hull go in all
conditions.
Of course Joe has a motorsailor, so these fine points are lost on him
and his ultra heavy powersailor. Just turn the key, Joe. It's what you
do best.

Right you are RB! And you practice skiing when there is no snow, long range
target shooting at night, scuba diving on dry land and test drive mini vans
at 110 mph is blinding rain!

Your boat is air conditioned!

I have no air conditionoing and no boat!

light air
 

Capt. JG wrote:

Some of my students struggling with light air... Fortunately, the weather
has cooled off, so today should be a bit better. Notice the kayak drifting
faster than they're sailing... :-)

http://sailnow.photosite.com/CSUS6-29-2006/



Holder 20? Cool boat, I'd like to find one.

Your students can make a vast improvement with a couple of
easy steps. One is to double check the set of the sails...
looks like the main isn't hoisted all the way. Another easy
thing is to sit to leeward so the boat heels a little, and
allows the sails to take a natural shape. A set of very
light tell-tales helps a LOT, if you don't know which way
the wind is blowing, you can't sail to it. About 8" of audio
tape is great for this... best use for your old disco cassettes!

Interesting set of photos... I've got a whole box of
light-air racing pics I used to study with my crews. Thanks
for posting them.

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

light air
 

The kayak is going at least 10 kts (in his mind I suppose).

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"Joe" wrote in message
ups.com...

Cabin Boy Rob wrote:

That's for guys with
Motorsailors who call 10 knots light air.


Hey Bonehead this is not 10kts. Look again
http://sailnow.photosite.com/CSUS6-29-2006/

It's " light air ".

Once you spend a bit of time on the water, perhaps you will not make
such a stupid mistake again.

In your case I suggest you find a book and learn the beaufort scale,
as it's plain as day that you rarely get to judge the wind on water
(bathtub farts do not count). For you I suggest Chapmans. It taylored
to weekend wannabe's like you.

Good luck.

Capt Joe



RB
35s5
NY

light air
 

It's probably cause they were over-sheeting the main (typical novice
mistake, but they'll learn). They're both Holder 20s, which have taken a lot
of abuse. Did you notice the duct tape patch on one of them?

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"Bob Crantz" wrote in message
...
I noticed the boom slants downward from the mast.

What brand of boat is that?

"Capt. JG" wrote in message
...
Some of my students struggling with light air... Fortunately, the weather
has cooled off, so today should be a bit better. Notice the kayak
drifting faster than they're sailing... :-)

http://sailnow.photosite.com/CSUS6-29-2006/

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light air
 

I wish these were in better shape. I believe they're sitting on the low side
in a couple of the pics. At one point I told them about that little trick.

Actually, the main is up all the way on both boats. But, it's hard to tell.
They're really shot.

There are windex at the top of both masts, but only one of the boats has
tells on the jib. There are about a 1/2 dozen Holder 14s on the lake also. I
occasionally teach that class as well. They're in better shape.

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"DSK" wrote in message
...
Capt. JG wrote:

Some of my students struggling with light air... Fortunately, the weather
has cooled off, so today should be a bit better. Notice the kayak
drifting faster than they're sailing... :-)

http://sailnow.photosite.com/CSUS6-29-2006/



Holder 20? Cool boat, I'd like to find one.

Your students can make a vast improvement with a couple of easy steps. One
is to double check the set of the sails... looks like the main isn't
hoisted all the way. Another easy thing is to sit to leeward so the boat
heels a little, and allows the sails to take a natural shape. A set of
very light tell-tales helps a LOT, if you don't know which way the wind is
blowing, you can't sail to it. About 8" of audio tape is great for this...
best use for your old disco cassettes!

Interesting set of photos... I've got a whole box of light-air racing pics
I used to study with my crews. Thanks for posting them.

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

light air
 

Capt. JG wrote:

I wish these were in better shape. I believe they're sitting on the low side
in a couple of the pics. At one point I told them about that little trick.

Actually, the main is up all the way on both boats. But, it's hard to tell.
They're really shot.


In these two, it definitely looks like the main isn't at
full hoist (looks can be deceiving though)
http://sailnow.photosite.com/~photos...1602080126.jpg

http://sailnow.photosite.com/~photos...1602114220.jpg

The second shot looks like they actually have the boat
moving, not trimmed too badly. One of the tricky (but fun)
parts of sailing in really light air is that apparent wind
plays such a huge role... especially with a relatively fast
boat, like these should be.


There are windex at the top of both masts, but only one of the boats has
tells on the jib. There are about a 1/2 dozen Holder 14s on the lake also. I
occasionally teach that class as well. They're in better shape.


A masthead windex is useless in light air. Every tiny rock
or pitch of the boat gives it a hugely exaggerated "apparent
wind" that has nothing to do with the boat's motion or the
real wind. Often they just spin, other times when you heel
the boat to make the sails set, they hang down.

A really good light air tell-tall is to take a short piece
of thin metal rod, like a coat-hanger, and cut about a 1'
length. Bend it in an "L" shape. Duct tape the long part of
the "L" to the spreader so the short part of the "L" aims
downward. Then put about 6" of audio tape on the end of the
"L". Remember to watch the lee side one as well, because it
will show when there is good flow across the lee side of the
rig which is critical.

The other big tip I have for light air sailing is... get a
Thistle.

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

light air
 

Looks like it for sure, but the main really is up all the way. I like the
method about making a tell tale.

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"DSK" wrote in message
...
Capt. JG wrote:

I wish these were in better shape. I believe they're sitting on the low
side in a couple of the pics. At one point I told them about that little
trick.

Actually, the main is up all the way on both boats. But, it's hard to
tell. They're really shot.


In these two, it definitely looks like the main isn't at full hoist (looks
can be deceiving though)
http://sailnow.photosite.com/~photos...1602080126.jpg

http://sailnow.photosite.com/~photos...1602114220.jpg

The second shot looks like they actually have the boat moving, not trimmed
too badly. One of the tricky (but fun) parts of sailing in really light
air is that apparent wind plays such a huge role... especially with a
relatively fast boat, like these should be.


There are windex at the top of both masts, but only one of the boats has
tells on the jib. There are about a 1/2 dozen Holder 14s on the lake
also. I occasionally teach that class as well. They're in better shape.


A masthead windex is useless in light air. Every tiny rock or pitch of the
boat gives it a hugely exaggerated "apparent wind" that has nothing to do
with the boat's motion or the real wind. Often they just spin, other times
when you heel the boat to make the sails set, they hang down.

A really good light air tell-tall is to take a short piece of thin metal
rod, like a coat-hanger, and cut about a 1' length. Bend it in an "L"
shape. Duct tape the long part of the "L" to the spreader so the short
part of the "L" aims downward. Then put about 6" of audio tape on the end
of the "L". Remember to watch the lee side one as well, because it will
show when there is good flow across the lee side of the rig which is
critical.

The other big tip I have for light air sailing is... get a Thistle.

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

light air
 

Capt. JG wrote:

Looks like it for sure, but the main really is up all the way.


OK at this point I'm probably being a jark, it *really*
doesn't look like it.

This one does
http://www.first285.com/holder20/a8.jpg

... I like the
method about making a tell tale.


Just remember to not break them off when flying a spinnaker
or a genoa with big overlap. I've done it, doesn't work as
well ;)

DSK

light air
 

"Dave" wrote in message
...
On 29 Jun 2006 12:13:41 -0700, "Capt. Rob" said:

No, that's not what a sailor does. You get out there, hoist the sails
and practice light air with whatever comes.

I can understand why, with the conditions you generally experience in that
end of the Sound at this time of year, you need to make a virtue of
necessity. Hell, I used to do the same thing when I had a boat there. But
most of us sail to enjoy sailing rather than sitting in a bathtub, and
have
no need to prove anything by sitting around with the limp sails flapping.

Ya know, I seriously doubt if bubbles actually practices what he preaches,
and it isn't like he races.

John Cairns

light air
 

While I was hunting for Holder 20 pics I saw this alarming
little scenario

http://www.latitude38.com/LectronicL...kingHolder.jpg

"Sinking: it's not just for J-24s any more!"

DSK

light air
 

"DSK" wrote in message
...
Capt. JG wrote:

Some of my students struggling with light air... Fortunately, the weather
has cooled off, so today should be a bit better. Notice the kayak
drifting faster than they're sailing... :-)

http://sailnow.photosite.com/CSUS6-29-2006/



Holder 20? Cool boat, I'd like to find one.

Your students can make a vast improvement with a couple of easy steps. One
is to double check the set of the sails... looks like the main isn't
hoisted all the way. Another easy thing is to sit to leeward so the boat
heels a little, and allows the sails to take a natural shape. A set of
very light tell-tales helps a LOT, if you don't know which way the wind is
blowing, you can't sail to it. About 8" of audio tape is great for this...
best use for your old disco cassettes!

Interesting set of photos... I've got a whole box of light-air racing pics
I used to study with my crews. Thanks for posting them.

Fresh Breezes- Doug King


Why would I want to ruin a perfectly good disco tape?

light air
 

No.. not being a jerk. I'm betting that they just don't belong on the boats.
The gooseneck isn't adjustable (maybe it was at one point, but it isn't now.

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"DSK" wrote in message
...
Capt. JG wrote:

Looks like it for sure, but the main really is up all the way.


OK at this point I'm probably being a jark, it *really* doesn't look like
it.

This one does
http://www.first285.com/holder20/a8.jpg

... I like the method about making a tell tale.


Just remember to not break them off when flying a spinnaker or a genoa
with big overlap. I've done it, doesn't work as well ;)

DSK

light air
 

They're hard to sink, but it is possible. Apparently, someone had one of the
Holders who shouldn't have. Put a huge gash in the side from hitting the
corner of the dock. You can see the duct tape... yeah, I know, I know... in
this picture...

http://www.sailnow.photosite.com/CSU...MG_0487_1.html

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"DSK" wrote in message
...
While I was hunting for Holder 20 pics I saw this alarming little scenario

http://www.latitude38.com/LectronicL...kingHolder.jpg

"Sinking: it's not just for J-24s any more!"

DSK

light air
 

Capt. JG wrote:
They're hard to sink, but it is possible. Apparently, someone had one of the
Holders who shouldn't have. Put a huge gash in the side from hitting the
corner of the dock. You can see the duct tape... yeah, I know, I know... in
this picture...

http://www.sailnow.photosite.com/CSU...MG_0487_1.html


OUCH

Sounds like they're using these boats up... not uncommon
with club-owned boats.

DSK

light air
 

Bob Crantz wrote:
Why would I want to ruin a perfectly good disco tape?


"Perfectly good" and "disco" should not be used in the same
sentence. Besides, that's not ruining it, you're allowing
the tape to fulfill a higher purpose.

DSK