Fine tuning your rig
 

OK..Hoping for a bit of expert advice.
A few questions:

1. Will you point higher if you move your Jib forward by installing a
bowspirt?

2. Can you point higher if you un-rake your mast a bit?

Any tuning suggestion to get your boat to point higher?

Joe

Fine tuning your rig
 

Joe wrote:

OK..Hoping for a bit of expert advice.
A few questions:

1. Will you point higher if you move your Jib forward by installing a
bowspirt?


Possibly, but not necessarily. It will add power to the rig
by getting more air flow thru the slot, but it's most likely
to hurt pointing IMHO.


2. Can you point higher if you un-rake your mast a bit?


No, other way around. Rake the mast more to point higher. If
the boom is scraping the transom, take out a tiny bit of
rake ;)


Any tuning suggestion to get your boat to point higher?


A bunch of little things can help, but the basics of
pointing are designed into the boat with the rig & foil
geometry.

The jib sheet angles make a big difference. If you can bring
the sheet lead in toward the centerline, making a narrower
angle to the centerline of the boat, that helps. Most
one-design classes restrict that adjustment for this reason
(although there's always a point of diminished return,
overdo it and the boat goes nowhere). You also want to get
the jib sheet lead adjusted fore/aft so that it pulls down
on the leach just the right amount to control twist of the
sail. The jib luff should "break evenly" which means it
should start luffing all up & down at once... not luff at
the top first (move the lead forward) or the bottom (move
the lead aft).

Depending on the rig geomtery & the cut of the sail, the rig
tension, especially on the forestay, helps pointing. Most
boats point best with a tight, straight forestay. Try
tightening first and see it that helps.

Don't ignore the underwater foils either. You've goot what
looks like an awesome rudder, is the centerboard in the same
shape?

And skill is a factor. You have to get the boat up to speed
before you can point high. If you just aim the boat at a
tight angle to the wind, the underwater foils will not have
good flow, the boat will make more leeway, and the flow of
air over the sails will not develop. There is a knack I have
worked at learning for years, where you get the boat up to
speed, then slowly pinch in the sails bit by bit without
distrubing the flow, so that in the end you are going 99% as
fast and pointing 5 degrees higher. Makes a big difference
on a crowded race course.

Coffee cup empty, time to go to work. Hope this helps.

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

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DSK wrote:
Joe wrote:

OK..Hoping for a bit of expert advice.
A few questions:

1. Will you point higher if you move your Jib forward by installing a
bowspirt?


Possibly, but not necessarily. It will add power to the rig
by getting more air flow thru the slot, but it's most likely
to hurt pointing IMHO.


2. Can you point higher if you un-rake your mast a bit?


No, other way around. Rake the mast more to point higher. If
the boom is scraping the transom, take out a tiny bit of
rake ;)

OK, I think I have my mast rake right, but perhaps to much curve... get
a tiny flutter at times on the trailing edge.


Any tuning suggestion to get your boat to point higher?


A bunch of little things can help, but the basics of
pointing are designed into the boat with the rig & foil
geometry.

The jib sheet angles make a big difference. If you can bring
the sheet lead in toward the centerline, making a narrower
angle to the centerline of the boat, that helps. Most
one-design classes restrict that adjustment for this reason
(although there's always a point of diminished return,
overdo it and the boat goes nowhere).

Got ya...since I'm not in any class of boats anything goes!

You also want to get
the jib sheet lead adjusted fore/aft so that it pulls down
on the leach just the right amount to control twist of the
sail. The jib luff should "break evenly" which means it
should start luffing all up & down at once... not luff at
the top first (move the lead forward) or the bottom (move
the lead aft).

Depending on the rig geomtery & the cut of the sail, the rig
tension, especially on the forestay, helps pointing.

Most
boats point best with a tight, straight forestay. Try
tightening first and see it that helps.

That may be my biggest problem, might go to rod rigging, regardless I'm
replacing the stays before next weeks races.


Don't ignore the underwater foils either. You've goot what
looks like an awesome rudder, is the centerboard in the same
shape? It's a 1/4 inch thick SS board. You can pull it all the way up, and move the pivot point aft as you raise it. With it all the way down the leading edge is strait up and down.

And skill is a factor. You have to get the boat up to speed
before you can point high. If you just aim the boat at a
tight angle to the wind, the underwater foils will not have
good flow, the boat will make more leeway, and the flow of
air over the sails will not develop. There is a knack I have
worked at learning for years, where you get the boat up to
speed, then slowly pinch in the sails bit by bit without
distrubing the flow, so that in the end you are going 99% as
fast and pointing 5 degrees higher. Makes a big difference
on a crowded race course.

Coffee cup empty, time to go to work. Hope this helps.

Yelp..Thanks

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

joe

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Dave wrote:
On 22 Jun 2006 06:39:21 -0700, "Joe" said:

OK, I think I have my mast rake right, but perhaps to much curve... get
a tiny flutter at times on the trailing edge.

Do you have a leach line? If so, a little tweaking there should get rid of
the flutter.

Nope...no leach line. Just a cunningham and boom outhaul..The main is
loose footed.

Joe

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Joe,

From a "Beached Bum;" I don't remember from your picture---Does your Rig
have a Back stay?

Remember, Higher means slower. I've suffered a lot of your pains while
racing a cruising boat---but there are something you can do.

I ease off on my Headstay (about 5" of Sag for a 35ft mast) and
installed a backstay adjuster. It gave me the ability to tighten the
forestay while increasing the force of the Main aft, for upwind work.
Downwind I released the backstay to get more power back into the sails.

Joe, with that new rudder it is very important that you do not (I mean;
DO NOT) get into the habit of using it to point your vessel higher. Up
wind speed is achieved with a neutral helm!

Set your Main up with the Top Batten parallel to the boom. (Don't let it
hook to windward) Set your outhaul to wind conditions. Horizontal
wrinkle for light air and vertical for hvy winds. If you're getting
Leech flutter and don't have a leech line, it might be a good idea to
install a flatting reef on the sail.

Also, remember you're sailing a "Knockabout" Enjoy what it give you. (I
learn that from my female crew) You're not going to beat full racing
boats But you can sail with them; on a Hdcp base and not boat for boat.


http://community.webtv.net/tassail/ThomPage

http://community.webtv.net/tassail/Pneuma

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Thom Stewart wrote:

*good advice snipped*

The boat has backstays (mid mast), but not one from the top of the mast
to the transom, if thats what you"re talking about.



Also, remember you're sailing a "Knockabout" Enjoy what it give you. (I
learn that from my female crew) You're not going to beat full racing
boats But you can sail with them; on a Hdcp base and not boat for boat.


Are you saying don't try to make a silk purse outta a sows ear? :0)



http://community.webtv.net/tassail/ThomPage

http://community.webtv.net/tassail/Pneuma

Nice web-site :0)

Joe

Fine tuning your rig
 

... There is a knack I have
worked at learning for years, where you get the boat up to
speed, then slowly pinch in the sails bit by bit without
distrubing the flow, so that in the end you are going 99% as
fast and pointing 5 degrees higher. Makes a big difference
on a crowded race course.


Dave wrote:
Roger Long, who frequents rec.boats.cruising, wrote a very decent article on
the technique for Points East. It's available at

http://www.pointseast.com/cgi-bin/co...KsEG&tmpl=news

Unfortunately, the accompanying diagram isn't in the online version of the
article.

He's talking about footing, not pinching.

It's all about knowing how your boat goes best... it sounds
to me like the captain in Roger's story didn't have much
experience with full keel boats, which typically don't
respond well to the technique in the earlier post (above).

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

Fine tuning your rig
 

Joe wrote:
Any tuning suggestion to get your boat to point higher?

Center your mast.
Rake it aft so the boat has helm in light air.
Install an adjustable backstay.
If your main is old and deep buy a new flat one.
Less jib halyard tension.
Put your wife and kids on the rail. Sail flat.

Fine tuning your rig
 

He's talking about footing, not pinching.


Dave wrote:
That's what I thought at first too, until I looked at the accompanying
diagram.

Well, you were right.

DSK

Fine tuning your rig
 

Loco,

He has a pretty large Main and no back stay. I'm not sure if he is using
"Jack Stays or not.

Sounds like a need for a good Vang and a flatting reef.

AND; Joe, learn you boat's best angle between footing and pointing.
Remember that pointing alone isn't the fastest up wind technique


http://community.webtv.net/tassail/ThomPage

http://community.webtv.net/tassail/Pneuma

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Ringmaster wrote:
Joe wrote:
Any tuning suggestion to get your boat to point higher?

Center your mast.
Rake it aft so the boat has helm in light air.
Install an adjustable backstay.
If your main is old and deep buy a new flat one.
Less jib halyard tension.
Put your wife and kids on the rail. Sail flat.



For this boat Ringmaster
http://community.webshots.com/photo/...3212926DdkPsY#

Not this one
http://community.webshots.com/photo/...63212926XhvvaU

Joe

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"Joe" wrote in message
ups.com...
OK..Hoping for a bit of expert advice.
A few questions:

1. Will you point higher if you move your Jib forward by installing a
bowspirt?

2. Can you point higher if you un-rake your mast a bit?

No, but you would probably point higher if you un-stepped your mast.

On a power boat, such as yours, the sails impede your progress to wind.


Any tuning suggestion to get your boat to point higher?


Get a proper sail boat!!!



Regards


Donal
--

Fine tuning your rig
 

Donal wrote:
"Joe" wrote in message
ups.com...
OK..Hoping for a bit of expert advice.
A few questions:

1. Will you point higher if you move your Jib forward by installing a
bowspirt?

2. Can you point higher if you un-rake your mast a bit?

No, but you would probably point higher if you un-stepped your mast.

On a power boat, such as yours, the sails impede your progress to wind.


Any tuning suggestion to get your boat to point higher?


Get a proper sail boat!!!



Regards


Donal
--




For this boat Donal
http://community.webshots.com/photo/...3212926DdkPsY#


Not this one
http://community.webshots.com/photo/...63212926XhvvaU


Did you do like the other Bent-a-toe sailor and buy a quality Kia too?

Bennie's...the Kia of Sailboats


Joe


Reply »

Fine tuning your rig
 

"Joe" wrote in message
oups.com...

Donal wrote:
"Joe" wrote in message
ups.com...
OK..Hoping for a bit of expert advice.
A few questions:

1. Will you point higher if you move your Jib forward by installing a
bowspirt?

2. Can you point higher if you un-rake your mast a bit?

No, but you would probably point higher if you un-stepped your mast.

On a power boat, such as yours, the sails impede your progress to wind.


Any tuning suggestion to get your boat to point higher?


Get a proper sail boat!!!



Regards


Donal
--




For this boat Donal
http://community.webshots.com/photo/...3212926DdkPsY#


Not this one
http://community.webshots.com/photo/...63212926XhvvaU
-------------------------------------

Dead right, Joe!!

One of those boats need wind, and one of them doesn't! I know which one
that I would prefer to sail!



-------------------------------



Did you do like the other Bent-a-toe sailor and buy a quality Kia too?

You are beginning to sound like Bobsprit! Can't you come up with your own
insults?


Bennie's...the Kia of Sailboats

I can adjust the rake of my mast. Tell us again where your backstays are
attached to your mast!!!

Your boat wasn't designed to sail.


Regards


Donal
--




Joe


Reply »

Fine tuning your rig
 

Donal wrote:
"Joe" wrote in message
oups.com...

Donal wrote:
"Joe" wrote in message
ups.com...
OK..Hoping for a bit of expert advice.
A few questions:

1. Will you point higher if you move your Jib forward by installing a
bowspirt?

2. Can you point higher if you un-rake your mast a bit?

No, but you would probably point higher if you un-stepped your mast.

On a power boat, such as yours, the sails impede your progress to wind.


Any tuning suggestion to get your boat to point higher?


Get a proper sail boat!!!



Regards


Donal
--




For this boat Donal
http://community.webshots.com/photo/...3212926DdkPsY#


Not this one
http://community.webshots.com/photo/...63212926XhvvaU
-------------------------------------

Dead right, Joe!!

One of those boats need wind, and one of them doesn't! I know which one
that I would prefer to sail!

I know which one you could handle somewhat safely



-------------------------------



Did you do like the other Bent-a-toe sailor and buy a quality Kia too?

You are beginning to sound like Bobsprit!

Bobspirt is buying like you....Birds of a feather


Can't you come up with your own
insults?

Cant you get thoses floor boards to stay down?


Bennie's...the Kia of Sailboats

I can adjust the rake of my mast. Tell us again where your backstays are
attached to your mast!!!

http://community.webshots.com/photo/...63212926LEPjVZ

You can see them all yourself for the main mast...need a mizzen shot?


Your boat wasn't designed to sail.

True..It's a motor sailor, made for motor sailing. Did you use your
Royal yachtmaster skills to physically derive that knowledge?

Man you're soundling just like Bobspittle....

BTW RedCloud will out sail your french bleach bottle and my floorboards
are solid as steel....in anything but light air.

Tally Ho...Pip pip and all that,

Joe

Regards


Donal
--

Fine tuning your rig
 

OzOne wrote:
On 23 Jun 2006 10:02:25 -0700, "Joe"
scribbled thusly:


Ringmaster wrote:
Joe wrote:
Any tuning suggestion to get your boat to point higher?

Center your mast.
Rake it aft so the boat has helm in light air.
Install an adjustable backstay.
If your main is old and deep buy a new flat one.
Less jib halyard tension.
Put your wife and kids on the rail. Sail flat.



For this boat Ringmaster
http://community.webshots.com/photo/...3212926DdkPsY#

Not this one
http://community.webshots.com/photo/...63212926XhvvaU

Joe

Joe,
Spent more than half my life sailing small boats.
Looks to me like those sails are a little tired and that could explain
the flutter in the leech and low pointing......but.....next time
you're out, try just sheeting that main in a little harder and see
what happens.
Might just fix all your problems


Are there any battens in those pockets?
Doesn't look like it in that pic.


Oz1...of the 3 twins.

Hey OZ,

Will post a picture of the new sails on the boat soon.

Joe



I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.

Fine tuning your rig
 

OzOne wrote:
On 24 Jun 2006 05:03:20 -0700, "Joe"
scribbled thusly:

Hey OZ,

Will post a picture of the new sails on the boat soon.

Joe

Ahhh, good.
Then we can talk tuning seriously.

If you can get a few shots of the sails sheeted in and lightly filled
with air from a few different angles it'll help heaps.

Is that thing light enough to put up on the hard and lay it over?

If the tide is high enough, It weighs about 300lbs. I have access to a
cherry picker, ive been thinking about stripping the bottom and putting
a new gel-coat on, and dry sailing the boat, But its a big boat for my
davits, and I do not wan't to be charged for another slip, might just
sand the antifoulant smooth , it fit in my slip at the stbd stern, easy
in, out.

If so, you could get the pics with it like that from behind and
parallel with the boom, from above and slightly behind and from
underneath the main looking towards the jib, so I can see the jib
shape, leech and slot shape with reference to the mainsail.

I'm pulling the mast and replacing the standing rigging, after Im
re-rigged, I'll shot a few pictures

Till then, just go sailing and try some more sheet tension on the
main, and maybe a little less on the jib to get better pointing.
Tiller should be just pulling against you when setup correctly with
the boat slightly heeled.

Thats the plan, got in a few hours this AM :0)

Ohh and you should see the awesome wooden Ketch next to me now.
(They ran off the ugly crewboat that tore out the pilon during Rita.)
And it's for sale..1962, 58' LOA ..39' WL 12' Beam' mahogany & Oak,
full keel, 18, 000 cast into the keel lead ballest, and all fittings
are solid bronze. Hollow 58' spruce main mast.

Shes one of the sexiest ladies I've ever seen. Her name is " Rena ".

Her owner is 70.y.o and awlful crusty... and a pleasure to swap sea
stories with. He's had the boat 25 years.

Joe


Oz1...of the 3 twins.

I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.

Fine tuning your rig
 

Joe,

You might be able to help that leech flutter by Barbor Hauling that
outhaul line
down the the boom at the clew. With free footed sails, it is necessary
to have good Clew control


http://community.webtv.net/tassail/ThomPage

http://community.webtv.net/tassail/Pneuma

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Thom Stewart wrote:
Joe,

You might be able to help that leech flutter by Barbor Hauling that
outhaul line
down the the boom at the clew. With free footed sails, it is necessary
to have good Clew control


Thats a good idea Thom. If I still have flutter after I install new
standing rigging I'll give that a shot.

Joe



http://community.webtv.net/tassail/ThomPage

http://community.webtv.net/tassail/Pneuma

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Joe,

Looking at the picture of your boat, you're going to have a tough job
setting a back stay with that main & that Boom. You'll need to build a
Boomkin and without a flexible mast your gain would be minimal at best.

If you are determine to rig an adjustable mast, you might consider
adjustable Jack Stays (a la Lightning) but remember the "Sow's Ear"

It might be a lot easier and cheaper to install a track and turn buckle
on the base of the mast

If you want to race a good HDCP is a lot cheaper and easier


http://community.webtv.net/tassail/ThomPage

http://community.webtv.net/tassail/Pneuma

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OzOne wrote:

On 24 Jun 2006 09:24:34 -0700, "Joe"
scribbled thusly:



I'm pulling the mast and replacing the standing rigging, after Im
re-rigged, I'll shot a few pictures

Before you pull it out, haul a tape measure up the jib halyard and
measure the rake exactly from say the stem.

Make the new stays just a freckle shorter than the old ones so when
they settle in, they come up the same length.
That way, you get to set the rake the same without too much fiddling
about.
Check it with the tape and adjust from there.


Oz1...of the 3 twins.

I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.

Fine tuning your rig
 

I'm pulling the mast and replacing the standing rigging, after Im
re-rigged, I'll shot a few pictures

OzOne wrote:
Before you pull it out, haul a tape measure up the jib halyard and
measure the rake exactly from say the stem.


Another good way to measure rake is from the center of the
transom, using the main halyard. I like this way with small
boats, because many boats also have an adjustment for the
mast step & partners, you can also measure these from the
top center of the transom too.

Top sailors in one design classes keel a tuning book of
these kinds of measurements so that they can set their boat
up the exact same way, even after major work (or getting a
new boat).



Make the new stays just a freckle shorter than the old ones so when
they settle in, they come up the same length.
That way, you get to set the rake the same without too much fiddling
about.

I dunno if Joe's boat is going to have enough rig tension to
even get that first 10% stretch on the wire.

Laying the boat on it's side to ake pictures of how the
sails will set is a great idea. It also lets you check out
how things are working up aloft when under tension. I've
occasionally thought it would be nice to be able to do this
with bigger boats too!

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

Fine tuning your rig
 

"Joe" wrote in message
oups.com...

Donal wrote:
"Joe" wrote in message
oups.com...

Donal wrote:
"Joe" wrote in message
ups.com...
OK..Hoping for a bit of expert advice.
A few questions:

1. Will you point higher if you move your Jib forward by installing
a
bowspirt?

2. Can you point higher if you un-rake your mast a bit?

No, but you would probably point higher if you un-stepped your mast.

On a power boat, such as yours, the sails impede your progress to
wind.


Any tuning suggestion to get your boat to point higher?


Get a proper sail boat!!!



Regards


Donal
--




For this boat Donal
http://community.webshots.com/photo/...3212926DdkPsY#


Not this one
http://community.webshots.com/photo/...63212926XhvvaU
-------------------------------------

Dead right, Joe!!

One of those boats need wind, and one of them doesn't! I know which one
that I would prefer to sail!

I know which one you could handle somewhat safely



-------------------------------



Did you do like the other Bent-a-toe sailor and buy a quality Kia
too?

You are beginning to sound like Bobsprit!

Bobspirt is buying like you....Birds of a feather


Can't you come up with your own
insults?

Cant you get thoses floor boards to stay down?


Bennie's...the Kia of Sailboats

I can adjust the rake of my mast. Tell us again where your backstays
are
attached to your mast!!!

http://community.webshots.com/photo/...63212926LEPjVZ

You can see them all yourself for the main mast...need a mizzen shot?

Ahem cough suppressed splutter
Your backstay seems to be attached to the middle of your mast.
As I said earlier, If you want to point higher, you need to get a boat that
was designed to *sail*.

Hint The backstay should attach to the mast *above* the genoa halyard.


Regards


Donal
--

Fine tuning your rig
 

BTW RedCloud will out sail your french bleach bottle and my floorboards

are solid as steel....in anything but light air.


And light air is anything below 35 knots!!! Joe's boat is incapable of
staying with a Catalina 38, let alone any first series boat. If he
truly believes a motorsailor is a match for a racer/cruiser, it only
defines his ignorance all the better.

Bwahahahhahahahahaha!


RB
35s5
NY

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OzOne wrote in message ...

Donal,
Your high consumption of methylated spirits appears to have effected
your eyesight..as could be expected

Your command of the English language demonstrates that the Australian police
do not require a high standard of education from their recruits.


How on earth could alcohol *e*ffect my eyesight?


Regards


Donal
--

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OzOne wrote in message ...
On Thu, 29 Jun 2006 00:52:28 +0100, "Donal"
scribbled thusly:


OzOne wrote in message
...

Donal,
Your high consumption of methylated spirits appears to have effected
your eyesight..as could be expected

Your command of the English language demonstrates that the Australian
police
do not require a high standard of education from their recruits.


How on earth could alcohol *e*ffect my eyesight?


Oh dear, poor Donal reduced to the role of grammar police.

Please accept my apologies, Ozzie. I had assumed that you had been educated
to a reasonable standard, even though you were a copper. I thought that you
must have been drunk to make such a stupid mistake.

I wouldn't ever criticise an uneducated person's grammer.



It could and does have an effect on eyesight.....but apparently is
incapable of mellowing you.

I don't need "mellowing". I am so laid back that my wife calls me lazy!!!



regards


Donal
--

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Donal wrote:
OzOne wrote in message ...
On Thu, 29 Jun 2006 00:52:28 +0100, "Donal"
scribbled thusly:


OzOne wrote in message
...

Donal,
Your high consumption of methylated spirits appears to have effected
your eyesight..as could be expected

Your command of the English language demonstrates that the Australian
police
do not require a high standard of education from their recruits.


How on earth could alcohol *e*ffect my eyesight?


Oh dear, poor Donal reduced to the role of grammar police.

Please accept my apologies, Ozzie. I had assumed that you had been educated
to a reasonable standard, even though you were a copper. I thought that you
must have been drunk to make such a stupid mistake.

I wouldn't ever criticise an uneducated person's grammer.

Or spelling.........

PDW

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OzOne wrote in message ...
On 2 Jul 2006 17:01:03 -0700, "Peter"
scribbled thusly:


I wouldn't ever criticise an uneducated person's grammer.

Or spelling.........

PDW

Ba BOOOM!


Spelling? Go on, tell me about my spelling mistake .... and I will
demonstrate that you are an ignorant pair of yokels.


Regards

Donal
--

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OzOne wrote:

Donal

Tell me all about "grammer" Donal....

An Ozark term for a female grandparent?

Cheers
Marty
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Donal wrote:
OzOne wrote in message ...
On 2 Jul 2006 17:01:03 -0700, "Peter"
scribbled thusly:


I wouldn't ever criticise an uneducated person's grammer.

Or spelling.........

PDW

Ba BOOOM!


Spelling? Go on, tell me about my spelling mistake .... and I will
demonstrate that you are an ignorant pair of yokels.

Too late. I already know I'm an ignorant yokel. However, I'd much
rather be ignorant than stupid. Ignorance is curable.

PDW

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OzOne wrote in message ...
On Tue, 4 Jul 2006 00:57:25 +0100, "Donal"
scribbled thusly:


OzOne wrote in message
...
On 2 Jul 2006 17:01:03 -0700, "Peter"
scribbled thusly:


I wouldn't ever criticise an uneducated person's grammer.

Or spelling.........

PDW

Ba BOOOM!


Spelling? Go on, tell me about my spelling mistake .... and I will
demonstrate that you are an ignorant pair of yokels.

Tell me all about "grammer" Donal....


Only an ignorant yokel would attempt a spelling flame in a discussion about
grammar.


Regards


Donal
--

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OzOne wrote:
On Wed, 5 Jul 2006 02:16:17 +0100, "Donal"
scribbled thusly:


OzOne wrote in message ...
On Tue, 4 Jul 2006 00:57:25 +0100, "Donal"
scribbled thusly:


OzOne wrote in message
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On 2 Jul 2006 17:01:03 -0700, "Peter"
scribbled thusly:


I wouldn't ever criticise an uneducated person's grammer.

Or spelling.........

PDW

Ba BOOOM!


Spelling? Go on, tell me about my spelling mistake .... and I will
demonstrate that you are an ignorant pair of yokels.

Tell me all about "grammer" Donal....


Only an ignorant yokel would attempt a spelling flame in a discussion about
grammar.


Regards


Donal

Flame ? Moi!?
I t was a serious question...I truly want to know what grammer
is...

http://www.dictionary.com

grammer, IN
Zip code(s): 47236

Only an ignorant yokel wouldn't know that Donal was talking about a
place in the USA.

particularly in that context....or any for that matter ;-)

See above. I'm sure there was some context link - for Donal.

PDW

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OzOne wrote:
On 4 Jul 2006 17:51:12 -0700, "Peter"
scribbled thusly:

Too late. I already know I'm an ignorant yokel. However, I'd much
rather be ignorant than stupid. Ignorance is curable.

PDW

If Donal is stupid, would it not then follow that he'd be ignorant and
not recognise the fact?

I've never said that Donal was stupid.

PDW

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OzOne wrote in message ...
On 4 Jul 2006 17:51:12 -0700, "Peter"
scribbled thusly:

Too late. I already know I'm an ignorant yokel. However, I'd much
rather be ignorant than stupid. Ignorance is curable.

PDW

If Donal is stupid, would it not then follow that he'd be ignorant and
not recognise the fact?

I know that I am ignorant.

That's the difference between those of us who live in the "old" world and
those of you who live in the "new" world.

You think that you know everything, in the same way that my teenage 16 y/o
son does.

So..... you are correct! I *am* ignorant. I am probably ignorant of
99.9999% of mankind's knowledge.

I'd love to be Australian ..... It would we wonderful to be able to
demonstrate my intelligence by bragging about my expensive cars, or even by
boasting about the size of my smallholding.


Regards


Donal
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OzOne wrote in message ...
On Thu, 6 Jul 2006 00:17:00 +0100, "Donal"
scribbled thusly:


OzOne wrote in message
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On 4 Jul 2006 17:51:12 -0700, "Peter"
scribbled thusly:

Too late. I already know I'm an ignorant yokel. However, I'd much
rather be ignorant than stupid. Ignorance is curable.

PDW

If Donal is stupid, would it not then follow that he'd be ignorant and
not recognise the fact?

I know that I am ignorant.

At least you recognise the fact.

That's the difference between those of us who live in the "old" world and
those of you who live in the "new" world.

What?
That the old worlders are ignorant...probably because they so rarely
get out.
I recall some old worlders being stunned that my wife and I would
drive to Portsmouth from London for the day.

You think that you know everything, in the same way that my teenage 16
y/o
son does.
Tell me Donal, can a 16YO be anything but a teenager?
Does he have a better command of English than you?

So..... you are correct! I *am* ignorant. I am probably ignorant of
99.9999% of mankind's knowledge.

Yes.

I'd love to be Australian .....

I'm sure!

It would we wonderful to be able to
demonstrate my intelligence by bragging about my expensive cars, or even
by
boasting about the size of my smallholding.

My, Is that a chip I see?


Absolutely!

I am extremely envious your wealth. ... but you knew that, didn't you?




Oh and I don't have expensive cars...well one is, but it's a
collectors item.
The others, well, a couple are becoming collectors cars, particularly
one of the Lancias which while being close to 25 years old, has less
that 10,000 km on it.
The Peugeot 407, a mere $55,000
The Lancer EVO, $62,000
and a bunch of Mitsubishis, the most expensive being the AWD Verada
fitted with a supercharger and other bits at $50k.

Are these Australian dollars?



The PRB, a Caterham/Lotus 7 look alike is only partly finished as I'm
still waiting for one of your old world companies to deliver the
specialist parts that I ordered some 9 months ago.

Oh and my smallholding is .... shall we say...adequate?

I was talking about PDW's plot of land .... NOT your thingamijig!!

Regards


Donal
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OzOne wrote in message
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On Fri, 7 Jul 2006 01:08:21 +0100, "Donal"

scribbled thusly:



Absolutely!

I am extremely envious your wealth. ... but you knew
that, didn't you?

Aww Donal, I'm not wealthy, just comfortable.


I'm poor, but I'm still comfortable.

Scotty

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OzOne wrote in message
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On Fri, 7 Jul 2006 01:08:21 +0100, "Donal"

scribbled thusly:



Absolutely!

I am extremely envious your wealth. ... but you knew
that, didn't you?

Aww Donal, I'm not wealthy, just comfortable.


I'm poor, but I'm still comfortable.

I'm comfortable too.


Regards


Donal
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One should cultivate the feeling of being uncomfortably comfortable.

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OzOne wrote in message
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On Fri, 7 Jul 2006 01:08:21 +0100, "Donal"

scribbled thusly:



Absolutely!

I am extremely envious your wealth. ... but you knew
that, didn't you?

Aww Donal, I'm not wealthy, just comfortable.


I'm poor, but I'm still comfortable.

I'm comfortable too.


Regards


Donal
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"Capt. JG" wrote in message
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One should cultivate the feeling of being uncomfortably comfortable.


I'm a bit uncomfortable about the degree of Oz's comfort.

How does a copper earn enough to buy such expensive cars ...?


Regards
Donal
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He must be on the take.

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"Donal" wrote in message
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"Capt. JG" wrote in message
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One should cultivate the feeling of being uncomfortably comfortable.


I'm a bit uncomfortable about the degree of Oz's comfort.

How does a copper earn enough to buy such expensive cars ...?


Regards
Donal
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