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Someone in the thread about overcrowding on my 28' S2 asked about the
waters near Cedar Key and Steinhatchee.
These happen to be my home waters so I know them well (actually I am a
little to the west at Shell Pt near St. Marks.)
Forget going into Ocklocknee Bay, the channel is VERY winding and
variable and there is no place for a sailboat to go.
Panacea is possible with a very long channel. It is possible to dock
at a marina there but the little bay is too shallow.
Spring Creek is nearly impossible but worth it if you can do it. The
channel is shallow and winding and goes forever. Fresh water comes up
in several submarine springs that are the largests springs in the
world. If you can get into Spring Creek, it is very well protected and
you can find places to anchor. There are no detailed charts. There is
a private sorta marina but no diesel. The Spring Creek restaurant is
"Old Florida" with fresh local seafood.
Shell Point has a straight channel going into the beach but the channel
tower is hard to find. it is a 3 legged tower with a slow red flasher
about 1 mile NE of the Spring Creek entrance flasher. Once you reach
marker 10 (currently just a tiny buoy), you can go west about 200 yds
and either anchor just off the beach in deep water protected to the
south by an oyster bar or go east from #10 to follow markers into
canals. Currently no facilities.
St Marks is a good destination because it has deep water. From the sea
buoy follow the charts. You can anchor near the lighthouse at a place
called Spanish Hole in good weather or proceed upriver about 5 miles to
the town. At the town, the river splits into the St. marks and Wakulla
Rivers. Up the Wakulla short distance you can anchor in the river or
go to Shell Island Fish camp. The river is very clear and spring fed.
Up the St. Marks you can go to another marina or go furher up and
anchor. The old "Posey's Oyster Bar" in St. Marks where you use to be
able to tie up was destroyed in hurricane Dennis last year.
From St. Marks sea buoy to Steinhatchee is about 60 miles and you
cannot get closer than about 8 miles from shore due to shallow water.
At medium tide you can get in at Keaton Beach (about halfway) with a 4'
draft.
Steinhatchee is great, deep water too.
During a recent cruise, I fell in love with Cedar Key and kept my boat
there for 3 months. However, there is NO place for sailboats for long
term. I waited for high tide and dug a furrow across the bottom to get
into a slip and then sat on mud at low tide. I had to have three
people hanging on the shrouds to heel her enough to get in and out.
The waterfront at Cedar key is sorta touristy/rundown but the town
itself it wonderful and you can walk everywhere. We seemed to meet
most of the residents and all the island cats.

Coming in from the west, the channel winds back and forth so watch your
chart. You can anchor between Cedar key and Atsena Otie Key and then
dinghy in to shore. You will be protected from the south and north
with exposure from the west and some to the east. Shallow water will
protect you from most swells. One 30' sailboat had been anchored for
two months.
Leaving or entering the southern channel is much easier but watch the
charts. No matter how close you watch the markers, you will go aground
but its no big deal cuz its all mud.

The municipal dock is rundown and cannot really be used.

There is no diesel available on the island.

There is a grocery store in the town and it is about a 4 block walk
from shore.

My kids loved Cedar Key and want to go back.

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On 13 Jun 2006 09:44:50 -0700, wrote:

Someone in the thread .....

The rest snipped


That was me. Thanks for the info. For perspective purposes, what
does your 28 S2 draw?

Frank

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Frank Boettcher wrote:
On 13 Jun 2006 09:44:50 -0700, wrote:

Someone in the thread .....

The rest snipped


That was me. Thanks for the info. For perspective purposes, what
does your 28 S2 draw?

Frank
My S2 draws 3'10". If I dont go aground at least once when I sail, I
figure i am not going anywhere interesting. Obviously, I need shoal
draft.

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Guy Aerts wrote:
On Tue, 13 Jun 2006 15:30:31 -0400, katy
wrote:

wrote:
Frank Boettcher wrote:
On 13 Jun 2006 09:44:50 -0700, wrote:

Someone in the thread .....
The rest snipped


That was me. Thanks for the info. For perspective purposes, what
does your 28 S2 draw?

Frank
My S2 draws 3'10". If I dont go aground at least once when I sail, I
figure i am not going anywhere interesting. Obviously, I need shoal
draft.

No....shoal draft is a royal pain...you lose headway bigtime....

Well, 6 foot draft in 4 feet of water will cause you to lose even more
headway, Katy. Where Dave lives, that's the situation.


a centerboard keel would be better than a shoal draft...at least then
he'd have aptions...

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Guy Aerts wrote:
On Tue, 13 Jun 2006 16:45:20 -0400, katy wrote:

Guy Aerts wrote:
On Tue, 13 Jun 2006 15:30:31 -0400, katy
wrote:

wrote:
Frank Boettcher wrote:
On 13 Jun 2006 09:44:50 -0700, wrote:

Someone in the thread .....
The rest snipped


That was me. Thanks for the info. For perspective purposes, what
does your 28 S2 draw?

Frank
My S2 draws 3'10". If I dont go aground at least once when I sail, I
figure i am not going anywhere interesting. Obviously, I need shoal
draft.

No....shoal draft is a royal pain...you lose headway bigtime....

Well, 6 foot draft in 4 feet of water will cause you to lose even more
headway, Katy. Where Dave lives, that's the situation.


a centerboard keel would be better than a shoal draft...at least then
he'd have aptions...

A centerboard/keel is generally considered shoal draft. Shoal simply means
"shallow"

I dont like centerboards for big boats cuz the trunk gets in the way.
I also have problems with their reliability having seen several boats
lose theirs. Extreme fouling conditions also limit their reliability.
It is a matter of preference, I prefer my simple shoal keel with
encapsulated ballast.

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Gay Arts wrote:
On Tue, 13 Jun 2006 16:45:20 -0400, katy wrote:

Gay Arts wrote:

A centerboard/keel is generally considered shoal draft. Shoal simply means
"shallow"


What insight!

How long did it take you to look that up?

Bbob

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Guy Aerts wrote:
On Tue, 13 Jun 2006 16:45:20 -0400, katy wrote:

Guy Aerts wrote:
On Tue, 13 Jun 2006 15:30:31 -0400, katy
wrote:

wrote:
Frank Boettcher wrote:
On 13 Jun 2006 09:44:50 -0700, wrote:

Someone in the thread .....
The rest snipped


That was me. Thanks for the info. For perspective purposes, what
does your 28 S2 draw?

Frank
My S2 draws 3'10". If I dont go aground at least once when I sail, I
figure i am not going anywhere interesting. Obviously, I need shoal
draft.

No....shoal draft is a royal pain...you lose headway bigtime....
Well, 6 foot draft in 4 feet of water will cause you to lose even more
headway, Katy. Where Dave lives, that's the situation.


a centerboard keel would be better than a shoal draft...at least then
he'd have aptions...

A centerboard/keel is generally considered shoal draft. Shoal simply means
"shallow"


Our shoal draft O'Day 22 did not have a centerboard....Neal's Crapanado,
a shoal draft, does not have a centerboard...they are two separate
entities...

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My boat has to large orange duck feet underneath.

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Gay Arts wrote:


There is an alternative you may not have considered. There are boats with a
short heavy lead keel that have a centerboard that tucks up into the keel. No
intrusion into cabin space, much better ballast than a simple centerboard, and a
blade that can be lowered to give better pointing ability upwind. Since the
centerboard does not need to provide ballast, it does not need to be extremely
heavy, or require complicated mechanisms to raise and lower it.


Wow, more Googleing from the resident PUTZ.

RB

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"Bob Crantz" wrote in message
. ..
My boat has to large orange duck feet underneath.


How many?

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Guy Aerts wrote:
On Tue, 13 Jun 2006 18:43:07 -0400, katy wrote:

Guy Aerts wrote:
On Tue, 13 Jun 2006 16:45:20 -0400, katy wrote:

Guy Aerts wrote:
On Tue, 13 Jun 2006 15:30:31 -0400, katy
wrote:

wrote:
Frank Boettcher wrote:
On 13 Jun 2006 09:44:50 -0700, wrote:

Someone in the thread .....
The rest snipped


That was me. Thanks for the info. For perspective purposes, what
does your 28 S2 draw?

Frank
My S2 draws 3'10". If I dont go aground at least once when I sail, I
figure i am not going anywhere interesting. Obviously, I need shoal
draft.

No....shoal draft is a royal pain...you lose headway bigtime....
Well, 6 foot draft in 4 feet of water will cause you to lose even more
headway, Katy. Where Dave lives, that's the situation.


a centerboard keel would be better than a shoal draft...at least then
he'd have aptions...
A centerboard/keel is generally considered shoal draft. Shoal simply means
"shallow"


Our shoal draft O'Day 22 did not have a centerboard....Neal's Crapanado,
a shoal draft, does not have a centerboard...they are two separate
entities...

Oh my god! Are you really that stupid? Really?


No, but you certainly seem to be.

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Capt. Rob wrote:
Gay Arts wrote:
Oh my god! Am I really that stupid? Really?


Sadly, yes, it appears so

RB

Little puppet Bobby running to Billy's side...nothing very original
there....

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"Scotty" wrote in message
...

"Bob Crantz" wrote in message
. ..
My boat has to large orange duck feet underneath.


How many?


too

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"Bob Crantz" wrote in message
. ..

"Scotty" wrote in message
...

"Bob Crantz" wrote in message
. ..
My boat has to large orange duck feet underneath.


How many?


too


if their too large, why knot cut them down some?

SBV

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Scotty wrote:
"Bob Crantz" wrote in message
. ..
"Scotty" wrote in message
...
"Bob Crantz" wrote in message
. ..
My boat has to large orange duck feet underneath.

How many?


too


if their too large, why knot cut them down some?

SBV


Then he wouldn't be able to stomp out forest fires...

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"Gay FArts" wrote in message

It's you who can't even figure out that Scotty is posting
as Capt RB. Must be
because you are distracted by his Snipped retarded
comment

WoW, what a man! Your Mom must be so proud.

It takes real guts to say stuff like that over the internet,
doesn't it?

SBV

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On 13 Jun 2006 09:44:50 -0700, wrote:

If you live/sail in the areas that were described in the original post
(or where I sail for that matter) the quest for a sailing craft that
is not depth restricted, is large enough to matter and performs
relatively well is like the quest for the holy grail. It is probably
not out there, but you keep looking anyway.

I want to gunkhole all of the areas from the St Joe Bay down to Cedar
Key. They are pristine areas, worthy of the endeavour (at least as far
as I've already been and as described by others). I'm looking for the
boat to do that. My other criteria is that it be trailerable making
up a GCVW of less that 8K. With my current probable tow vehicle that
leaves about 4.2K for the boat, trailer, and equipment.

A Precision 23 is on the inside track at this time. Swing keel with
23" of board up draft. Several others in the category are being
researched.

3'10" doesn't sound like a lot of draft to most folks, but it is still
on the verge of being restrictive for that area. My last two boats
were 4'8" and 3'10" respectively and, believe me, I never hauled out
with any paint left on the bottom of the keel.

Frank
Who has no boat, but who is thinking of correcting the matter.

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Frank Boettcher wrote:
On 13 Jun 2006 09:44:50 -0700, wrote:

If you live/sail in the areas that were described in the original post
(or where I sail for that matter) the quest for a sailing craft that
is not depth restricted, is large enough to matter and performs
relatively well is like the quest for the holy grail. It is probably
not out there, but you keep looking anyway.

I want to gunkhole all of the areas from the St Joe Bay down to Cedar
Key. They are pristine areas, worthy of the endeavour (at least as far
as I've already been and as described by others). I'm looking for the
boat to do that. My other criteria is that it be trailerable making
up a GCVW of less that 8K. With my current probable tow vehicle that
leaves about 4.2K for the boat, trailer, and equipment.

A Precision 23 is on the inside track at this time. Swing keel with
23" of board up draft. Several others in the category are being
researched.

3'10" doesn't sound like a lot of draft to most folks, but it is still
on the verge of being restrictive for that area. My last two boats
were 4'8" and 3'10" respectively and, believe me, I never hauled out
with any paint left on the bottom of the keel.

Frank
Who has no boat, but who is thinking of correcting the matter.

Frank:

I seriously considered a trailerable trimaran for the reasons you
describe. My plan right now is to build a sharpie with very shoal
draft with boards up as soon as I finish building my Tolman Skiff. The
Cormorant by Michalak seems like a good boat for this purpose.

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"Scotty" wrote:

"Gay FArts" wrote in message

It's you who can't even figure out that Scotty is posting
as Capt RB. Must be
because you are distracted by his Snipped retarded
comment

WoW, what a man! Your Mom must be so proud.

It takes real guts to say stuff like that over the internet,
doesn't it?

What are you bitching about, Snotty? You do it all the time!

LP