Sailing on a Wing and a Prayer....
 

Let's face facts: You choose a boat for the type of sailing you plan to
do TODAY...not years down the road. Have a look at poor Joe, forced to
buy a smaller fun boat to get his real sailing fix. Or Jeff, forced to
buy a Catamaran and also sail small boats to get some real sailing fun.
Then there's perhaps the saddest member here in Doug, who cashed in his
sailing chips for a powerboat. And yet he still hangs around like a
Hell's Angel on a Vespa. It's truly pathetic.

For anyone seeking a boat, find the vessel that suits your dreams NOW.
Joe has Dead Cloud, a crismson barge more house than boat. He bought it
with "plans" to go cruising, but he posts here almost every day. He
cruises less than we do. So why not buy the right boat...something fast
and fun that doesn't require a second boat purchase? Why spend so much
energy outfitting a boat over a period of years...watching initial
installations turn brittle with age? Joe claims he knows how to outfit
a boat, but folks we meet who cruise long range seem to get their boats
ready in a few weeks. What is this "outfitting" dance Joe uses to keep
his brittle dreams aloft?

Be warned: Joe's dream and failure are commonplace. I sell boats, such
as a Irwin 37 for sale next week, that are proof of such poor
philosophy. The poor guy bought a 25K boat and proceeded to install 20K
worth of "outfitting." Like Joe's, the boat sat and sat. Slow, a dull
design with a lot of space, the liveaboard lifestyle ended without any
realization of the dream. He now owns a Cal 29 and sails two or three
times per week and is planning on a cruise to Florida. He finally has
the right boat.

So, use Joe's sad story as a bright beacon...avoid at all costs for the
costs will be high.

Capt. Robert B....Sailing the dream NOW
35s5
NY

Sailing on a Wing and a Prayer....
 

Feeling a bit insecure?

Kia...Bent-a-toe...Soccer mom.

Nuff said.

Joe

Sailing on a Wing and a Prayer....
 

Joe wrote:
Feeling a bit insecure?

Kia...Bent-a-toe...Soccer mom.

Nuff said.

Joe


Nope...just trying to teach by example.

35s5 faster than your boat!
STS faster than your car!
Kia van ALSO faster than your car!
MG-TF show car...where's yours?
Suzanne is a swimmer and baseball player...no soccer.


RB
35s5
NY

Sailing on a Wing and a Prayer....
 

Capt. Kangroo wrote:
Joe wrote:
Feeling a bit insecure?

Kia...Bent-a-toe...Soccer mom.

Nuff said.

Joe


Nope...just trying to teach by example.

Well OK then.

You can never teach anything about cruising, passagemakers,
live-aboards, being a Captain, or thinking ahead.

Glad we got that strait.

Joe

"If I had eight hours to chop down a tree, I'd spend six sharpening my
ax."
A.L.

Sailing on a Wing and a Prayer....
 

Capt. Rob wrote:
You can never teach anything about cruising, passagemakers,
live-aboards,


Common sense would seem to indicate a person buys a passagemaker to
make a passage. Please let us all know when you finally set off!!!!

Common sence would also indicate a person who calls himself "Capt. Rob"
would be a captain. You have proven that total BS.

Sorry Rob, but I do not have the time to feed your addiction to
everything me.

Captian Joe


RB
35s5
NY

Sailing on a Wing and a Prayer....
 

Common sence would also indicate a person who calls himself "Capt. Rob"

would be a captain. You have proven that total BS.



Look up the word "captain" joe. Learn a little basic English.
I know people who have their six packs and they can't sail at all. So
what does that ticket really mean? Nada.
Since you think your boat's hull speed is 13 knots...I rest my case.
It's below 9, Joe. It's a little thing called physics. But you missed
that class along with remedial English.


CAPTAIN RB
35s5....faster than Joe's steel snail
NY

Sailing on a Wing and a Prayer....
 

--
"Swab Rob" wrote

Let's face facts: I'm an idiot.


Nuff said.

Sailing on a Wing and a Prayer....
 

"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
oups.com...

It's below 9, Joe. It's a little thing called physics.

CAPTAIN RB
35s5....faster than Joe's steel snail
NY

There is no law for hull speed.

Sailing on a Wing and a Prayer....
 

There is no law for hull speed.



Theoretical hull speed is a precise measurement and generally close to
the mark. Joe already said his boat does 9 knots on 30 knots of air. So
how is his hull speed 13 knots? Does it hit 13 knots in 80 knots of
air?



RB
35s5
NY

Sailing on a Wing and a Prayer....
 

Capt. Rob wrote:
There is no law for hull speed.



Theoretical hull speed is a precise measurement and generally close to
the mark. Joe already said his boat does 9 knots on 30 knots of air. So
how is his hull speed 13 knots? Does it hit 13 knots in 80 knots of
air?


Just to feed your Joe addiction.
I said 9 kts in 21 kts of wind.

You say the hull speed of a Swan 56 is 9 knots yet your french clorox
bottle does 10.5.
Bwahahahahahahahahaaaa yeah right...and with just the main..sheeeeze.

What ever you say Capt Crunch.

Captain Joe


RB
35s5
NY

Sailing on a Wing and a Prayer....
 

Capt. Rob wrote:
Common sence would also indicate a person who calls himself "Capt. Rob"

would be a captain. You have proven that total BS.



Look up the word "captain" joe.

Don't have to, it's on my USMM license along with the word "Master"

You reading the cereal box to define yourself, or watching Capt.
Kangaroo re-runs?

Captain Joe


CAPTAIN RB
35s5....cheaper than Joe's steel boat
NY

Sailing on a Wing and a Prayer....
 

"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
oups.com...

There is no law for hull speed.



Theoretical hull speed is a precise measurement and generally close to
the mark. Joe already said his boat does 9 knots on 30 knots of air. So
how is his hull speed 13 knots? Does it hit 13 knots in 80 knots of
air?



RB
35s5
NY


Hull speed for a Hobie that isn't planing?

What is the theoretical speed? How did you derive it?

Note you are talking theories, not laws.

Glory!

Sailing on a Wing and a Prayer....
 

Nutsy,

You really are full of ****!! Really!

Theoretical hull speed is a precise measurement and generally close to
the mark. ----This is your statement! Read it again.

Theoretical;----Is a precise measurement?? Spare me.

Generally close to the mark;-----this is what you call a "precise
measurement!"
What a dumb ass statement.

Nutsy; I think you had better find out what "Hull Speed" is all about!
It seems you haven't a clue!

Ol Thom

Sailing on a Wing and a Prayer....
 

"Gay FArts" wrote in message

You have no such license. You have already acknowledged
that many times.


yes he does, I've seen it.

SV

Sailing on a Wing and a Prayer....
 

Oh look! Joe and Mooron are such girls that SCOTTY has to defend
them.




Scotty jumps in and says something like...

"Gee wiz! You guys are sure beating on Bobsprit (or fill in any name)"

It's so pathetic. You'd think after getting the hook ripped from his
jaw so many times, he'd learn. But that's why it's fun to stick around!

RB
35s5
NY

Sailing on a Wing and a Prayer....
 

hoo boy, two idiot fish on one cast. I am good!

SV


"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
oups.com..
..

Gay FArts wrote....
Oh look! Joe and Mooron are such girls that SCOTTY has to
defend
them.




Scotty jumps in and says something like...

"Gee wiz! You guys are sure beating on Bobsprit (or fill
in any name)"

It's so pathetic. You'd think after getting the hook
ripped from his
jaw so many times, he'd learn. But that's why it's fun to
stick around!

RB
35s5
NY

Sailing on a Wing and a Prayer....
 

Capt. Rob wrote:
Oh look! Joe and Mooron are such girls that SCOTTY has to defend
them.




Scotty jumps in and says something like...

"Gee wiz! You guys are sure beating on Bobsprit (or fill in any name)"

It's so pathetic. You'd think after getting the hook ripped from his
jaw so many times, he'd learn. But that's why it's fun to stick around!

RB
35s5
NY

Look it up Robert.. USMM Master of Freight and towing vessels to 1600
tons any oceans #607529. Bubbles, while you were jerkin around with
cameras I was towing platforms.
The largest was Bullwinkle for Shell, 430 m tall bubbles, I think that
was taller than the empire state building, and setting anchors that
weigh more than 20 kia's combined.

100 ton ocean operator #425607.... even my wife has that little starter
licence.

I know..you need a picture
http://community.webshots.com/photo/...63212926kwotKu

Thats a 135 ft 4,400 HP 28Kt 3 million dollar boat bubbles, will your
"Capt" licences let you run such a boat? See that radar unit? Worth
more than your cheap boat. See the throttles? Thats a quad screw boat
bubbles, We could walk it sideways at 3+ knots, no bow thruster BTW.

Captian Joe

We both also have Radar, Radio, lifeboat endorsements oiler, wiper,
OS, and AB tickets.

Sailing on a Wing and a Prayer....
 

Capt. Rob wrote:
Oh look! Joe and Mooron are such girls that SCOTTY has to defend
them.

Hey Bob, here is a good pic of bullwinkle in the channel. We did not
join the tow until she was offshore, did more positioning than towing.
My boat was the Point Barrow. Sorry no pic! ;0(

http://www.mie.uth.gr/labs/mex-lab/P.../pics/B2-3.jpg

You think wind makes your 35s5 surge, imagine how wind loads can affect
this tow.

Joe




Scotty jumps in and says something like...

"Gee wiz! You guys are sure beating on Bobsprit (or fill in any name)"

It's so pathetic. You'd think after getting the hook ripped from his
jaw so many times, he'd learn. But that's why it's fun to stick around!

RB
35s5
NY

Sailing on a Wing and a Prayer....
 

Thats a 135 ft 4,400 HP 28Kt 3 million dollar boat bubbles


Wow! Did I mention that I drove an F40 a few years ago? Does that make
me a better sailor? What exactly does your experience with those craft
have to do with sailing?
At least we can begin to understand why you bought what you bought. But
no one can fathom how you thought your boat had a 13 knot hull speed.
What's your WL, Joe? Hmmmmm?


RB
35s5
NY

Sailing on a Wing and a Prayer....
 

Capt. Rob wrote:
Thats a 135 ft 4,400 HP 28Kt 3 million dollar boat bubbles


Wow! Did I mention that I drove an F40 a few years ago? Does that make
me a better sailor? What exactly does your experience with those craft
have to do with sailing?

I thought we were talking about the defination of Capt.

However to address your re- direction.

Large light craft have great windage, learning to deal with windage and
infact using it to your advantage in crucial in mastering sea going
vessels and tows.

Imagine running down the ICW a 400 ft wide ditch.... pushing a 300 ft
barge drawing only 6" with 13 ft of freeboard sticking above the water
with a single screw 350 HP lugger tug. And the wind at 25+ knots dead
on the beam. If you do not no how to sail, you get blown down ie: go
no-where except the downwind bank and wait for the wind to stop(once
you get blown down, with a big empty no tug has the leverage to get it
back up.

Now if you can sail, it get's you all excited and makes you giddy( the
way you get sailing now) it's a rush, you flat out haul ass. The fun
part is when you meet a guy coming the other way, doing the same thing.
It all has to do with dealing with mastering the skills needed for
others to call you Captain.


At least we can begin to understand why you bought what you bought. But
no one can fathom how you thought your boat had a 13 knot hull speed.

Bubble's.... I have a 120 HP main and a GPS. I know my hull speed.

Captain Joe


RB
35s5
NY

Sailing on a Wing and a Prayer....
 

Bubble's.... I have a 120 HP main and a GPS. I know my hull speed.


What's your WL, Joe? I mean...your motorsailor is even faster than a
Bruce Roberts 65 Pilothouse. We'd all like to know how....
I'd also like to know if your boat has a 13 knot hull speed, why it
only does 9 knots in 30 knots of wind!


RB
35s5
NY

Sailing on a Wing and a Prayer....
 

Capt. Rob wrote:
Bubble's.... I have a 120 HP main and a GPS. I know my hull speed.


What's your WL, Joe? I mean...your motorsailor is even faster than a
Bruce Roberts 65 Pilothouse. We'd all like to know how....

I'm glad you asked.

I dimpled my hull with a ball peen hammer, I did this to make it like
a golf ball (same tech Lexus uses on the underside of cars) causing
micro eddies that make my hull superfast and super slick.

How do you do a steady 10.5 knot when the published hull speed for the
35s5 is 7.2 kts?

Joe

Sailing on a Wing and a Prayer....
 

I dimpled my hull with a ball peen hammer, I did this to make it like
a golf ball (same tech Lexus uses on the underside of cars) causing
micro eddies that make my hull superfast and super slick.


How do you do a steady 10.5 knot when the published hull speed for the
35s5 is 7.2 kts?



Wow, what a pile of lies. Dimpling a hull does not effect the formula
for theoretical hullspeed. Plus you already claimed you do 9 knots in
30 knots of air, and SURGED to 13, remember. Caught in a web of lies,
Joe can't squirm free now.
And you can't even get my boat right...such a mess for you and all your
stories...Hull speed is 7.98. Someone needs to buy you a calculator
along with a few sailing books. It's becoming more and more clear why
you own a motorsailor.


RB
35s5
NY

Sailing on a Wing and a Prayer....
 

Capt. Rob wrote:


How do you do a steady 10.5 knot when the published hull speed for the
35s5 is 7.2 kts?



Wow, it was a pile of lies.

I know.......... you were busted again.

Instead of learning all you know from old sailing books, you shoud get
out and try real sailing.

Joe

Note: This is only my suggestion, please seek medical advice from your
doctor before attempting.