Check out Toyota Sienna resale values:

http://www.edmunds.com/new/2006/toyo...alevalues.html

Compared to Kia Sedona:

http://www.edmunds.com/new/2006/kia/...alevalues.html


Toyota may cost a few thousand more, but after 4 years it has over double
the resale value of a Kia! We're talking 8K$!

Just think, the Kia lost 4K of value just by having RB sign on the dotted
line.

Kia: The Dodge Caravan for the new century!

hahahahahahahahahahahaaaaa!!!!!!!!!

Amen!

I'm a Korean War Veteran and there's no way I would support that Korean
crap. I bet that thing is colder than the Chosin Reservoir in winter and
rattles like a Russian T-54 tank. The thing probably smells like kimchee and
smokes like a Korean wantiki torch burning bunker oil. If only McArthur had
pushed into Manchuria we would all be driving Chryslers today. Don't get me
going on that Jap stuff either! Sure, they are built in America but in
Japanese controlled labor camps. Miss your quota once it is off to the
hotbox for you. Screw up again and it is off with your head. No, I would
rather drive a car built by big, fat, lazy, overpaid union workers. They are
fat because they eat steak, not riceballs and fish heads. That foreign stuff
is junk.

Lloyd

LLoyd Bonafide wrote:
I'm a Korean War Veteran and there's no way I would support that Korean
crap. I bet that thing is colder than the Chosin Reservoir in winter and
rattles like a Russian T-54 tank. The thing probably smells like kimchee and
smokes like a Korean wantiki torch burning bunker oil. If only McArthur had
pushed into Manchuria we would all be driving Chryslers today. Don't get me
going on that Jap stuff either! Sure, they are built in America but in
Japanese controlled labor camps. Miss your quota once it is off to the
hotbox for you. Screw up again and it is off with your head. No, I would
rather drive a car built by big, fat, lazy, overpaid union workers. They are
fat because they eat steak, not riceballs and fish heads. That foreign stuff
is junk.

Lloyd


Now tell us what you really think....

asian cars are nothing like the european product...
asia can copy...that's it...american cars took a
good lesson from europe, the are playing the "catch
up game" us cars will be there in 5 years or so, they
have come a long way...try getting hit broad side by
a car going 60 in asian cheap, lightweight metal...see
how that feels...as compaired to volvo, m benz, or bmw...



LLoyd Bonafide wrote:
I'm a Korean War Veteran and there's no way I would support that Korean
crap. I bet that thing is colder than the Chosin Reservoir in winter and
rattles like a Russian T-54 tank. The thing probably smells like kimchee and
smokes like a Korean wantiki torch burning bunker oil. If only McArthur had
pushed into Manchuria we would all be driving Chryslers today. Don't get me
going on that Jap stuff either! Sure, they are built in America but in
Japanese controlled labor camps. Miss your quota once it is off to the
hotbox for you. Screw up again and it is off with your head. No, I would
rather drive a car built by big, fat, lazy, overpaid union workers. They are
fat because they eat steak, not riceballs and fish heads. That foreign stuff
is junk.

Lloyd

Toyota may cost a few thousand more, but after 4 years it has over
double
the resale value of a Kia! We're talking 8K$!



Such poor research, Bob. I'm really shocked you could be so sloppy. The
2006 Kia is an all new minivan and no resale data is available for it
yet. Judging by the fact that it is currently a huge hit for them and
getting great reviews, it's likely resale will be better.
That said, few cars can match a Toyota in that area.


RB
35s5
NY

"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
oups.com...

Toyota may cost a few thousand more, but after 4 years it has over
double
the resale value of a Kia! We're talking 8K$!



Such poor research, Bob. I'm really shocked you could be so sloppy. The
2006 Kia is an all new minivan and no resale data is available for it
yet. Judging by the fact that it is currently a huge hit for them and
getting great reviews, it's likely resale will be better.
That said, few cars can match a Toyota in that area.


RB
35s5
NY


It's actually great research. There are many years of data in the links I
provided. All show that the Kia Sedona has had poor resale value. Really,
ask yourself:

"Who would pay top dollar for a Kia?"

An even better question is:

"Who would be a new Kia when a used one is a much better value?"

With a great review and 50 cents, one could buy a cup of coffee. No matter
what, the resale value will be less than Toyota and by a large margin.

It's actually great research. There are many years of data in the links I
provided. All show that the Kia Sedona has had poor resale value. Really,
ask yourself:

The Kia Sedona you've researched is not the same car...not even close.
You failed at your research. you might as well have compared resale of
a 2006 WRX to the older 1999 RS from Subaru.


"Who would pay top dollar for a Kia?"


I don't know. I'm sure glad we didn't. In fact we paid almost 2.5K less
than average according to Edmunds and got free alarm, remote starter
and oil changes.

An even better question is:

"Who would be a new Kia when a used one is a much better value?"

There are no used Sedonas. The new model is only out a few months.


With a great review and 50 cents, one could buy a cup of coffee. No matter
what, the resale value will be less than Toyota and by a large margin.

But it's nicer than any Toyota by a good margin, has nicer ride, better
handliing and far more power. I wouldn't buy the Toyota due to the poor
power.

Back to your drawing board, Bob!


RB
35s5
NY

"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
ups.com...



I don't know. I'm sure glad we didn't. In fact we paid almost 2.5K less
than average according to Edmunds and got free alarm, remote starter
and oil changes.


You had to buy the car to get the freebies. They aren't free.



An even better question is:

"Who would be a new Kia when a used one is a much better value?"

There are no used Sedonas. The new model is only out a few months.

They will start filling used car lots soon.




With a great review and 50 cents, one could buy a cup of coffee. No
matter
what, the resale value will be less than Toyota and by a large margin.

But it's nicer than any Toyota by a good margin, has nicer ride, better
handliing and far more power. I wouldn't buy the Toyota due to the poor
power.


The power difference only begins in the top ten percent of the rpm range.
Are you going to redline a minivan?

The Toyota is lighter and has a far superior transmission. Not to mention
exceptional gas mileage.

Toyota can point to a consistent track record of quality and exceptional
value.

The best KIA can do is hope that this car is their exception and meets the
norm for Toyota. Wings on a pig Robster!

Bob Crantz wrote:
"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
ups.com...



I don't know. I'm sure glad we didn't. In fact we paid almost 2.5K less
than average according to Edmunds and got free alarm, remote starter
and oil changes.


You had to buy the car to get the freebies. They aren't free.

There free if the dealer gave them to us and no one else we spoke to.


There are no used Sedonas. The new model is only out a few months.

They will start filling used car lots soon.


And so it goes for every car, but for now you were utterly wrong.

The power difference only begins in the top ten percent of the rpm range.
Are you going to redline a minivan?

Wrong. It's noticeable at the low end, off the line, merging and so on
and noted in EVERY rewiew that the HP and Torque are excellent, beating
all others. I drove them all and the Kia is clearly the fastest and has
the most grunt. Frankly 0-60 in 7.3 seconds is faster than
required...but I'll take it!

The Toyota is lighter and has a far superior transmission. Not to mention
exceptional gas mileage.

The Toyota has the same MPG. We know this 1st hand. The AWD version is
far worse on gas of course.


Toyota can point to a consistent track record of quality and exceptional
value.


Too bad they won't back the car with a good warranty. Dealer warranties
are a must with every Toyota and don't cover everything.

The best KIA can do is hope that this car is their exception and meets the
norm for Toyota.

And that is Kia's goal, with 3 more upscale cars in the works and
financial muscle to challenge Mercedes and BMW in 3 more years. The
Korean car builders are chasing after the Japanese just as the Japanese
chased after the big 3. The scary part is the Kia and Hyundai are
merged and have shown that they can do what the Japanese did in half
the time. The big three are doomed when fit and finish of a 10K Kia
beats a Caddy.

RB
35s5
NY

Can't you guys get it through your heads that the leopard has changed its
spots? Kia hasn't even been sued over its failure to honor the warranty
on the 2006 models. All the complaints and suits are over last year's
models and older Sedonas. Damn you idiots who refuse to believe in
redemption.

--
jlrogers±³©
"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
oups.com...

Toyota may cost a few thousand more, but after 4 years it has over
double
the resale value of a Kia! We're talking 8K$!



Such poor research, Bob. I'm really shocked you could be so sloppy. The
2006 Kia is an all new minivan and no resale data is available for it
yet. Judging by the fact that it is currently a huge hit for them and
getting great reviews, it's likely resale will be better.
That said, few cars can match a Toyota in that area.


RB
35s5
NY