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Check out Toyota Sienna resale values:
http://www.edmunds.com/new/2006/toyo...alevalues.html Compared to Kia Sedona: http://www.edmunds.com/new/2006/kia/...alevalues.html Toyota may cost a few thousand more, but after 4 years it has over double the resale value of a Kia! We're talking 8K$! Just think, the Kia lost 4K of value just by having RB sign on the dotted line. Kia: The Dodge Caravan for the new century! hahahahahahahahahahahaaaaa!!!!!!!!! Amen! |
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I'm a Korean War Veteran and there's no way I would support that Korean
crap. I bet that thing is colder than the Chosin Reservoir in winter and rattles like a Russian T-54 tank. The thing probably smells like kimchee and smokes like a Korean wantiki torch burning bunker oil. If only McArthur had pushed into Manchuria we would all be driving Chryslers today. Don't get me going on that Jap stuff either! Sure, they are built in America but in Japanese controlled labor camps. Miss your quota once it is off to the hotbox for you. Screw up again and it is off with your head. No, I would rather drive a car built by big, fat, lazy, overpaid union workers. They are fat because they eat steak, not riceballs and fish heads. That foreign stuff is junk. Lloyd |
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LLoyd Bonafide wrote:
I'm a Korean War Veteran and there's no way I would support that Korean crap. I bet that thing is colder than the Chosin Reservoir in winter and rattles like a Russian T-54 tank. The thing probably smells like kimchee and smokes like a Korean wantiki torch burning bunker oil. If only McArthur had pushed into Manchuria we would all be driving Chryslers today. Don't get me going on that Jap stuff either! Sure, they are built in America but in Japanese controlled labor camps. Miss your quota once it is off to the hotbox for you. Screw up again and it is off with your head. No, I would rather drive a car built by big, fat, lazy, overpaid union workers. They are fat because they eat steak, not riceballs and fish heads. That foreign stuff is junk. Lloyd Now tell us what you really think.... |
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Toyota may cost a few thousand more, but after 4 years it has over double the resale value of a Kia! We're talking 8K$! Such poor research, Bob. I'm really shocked you could be so sloppy. The 2006 Kia is an all new minivan and no resale data is available for it yet. Judging by the fact that it is currently a huge hit for them and getting great reviews, it's likely resale will be better. That said, few cars can match a Toyota in that area. RB 35s5 NY |
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"Capt. Rob" wrote in message oups.com... Toyota may cost a few thousand more, but after 4 years it has over double the resale value of a Kia! We're talking 8K$! Such poor research, Bob. I'm really shocked you could be so sloppy. The 2006 Kia is an all new minivan and no resale data is available for it yet. Judging by the fact that it is currently a huge hit for them and getting great reviews, it's likely resale will be better. That said, few cars can match a Toyota in that area. RB 35s5 NY It's actually great research. There are many years of data in the links I provided. All show that the Kia Sedona has had poor resale value. Really, ask yourself: "Who would pay top dollar for a Kia?" An even better question is: "Who would be a new Kia when a used one is a much better value?" With a great review and 50 cents, one could buy a cup of coffee. No matter what, the resale value will be less than Toyota and by a large margin. |
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It's actually great research. There are many years of data in the links I provided. All show that the Kia Sedona has had poor resale value. Really, ask yourself: The Kia Sedona you've researched is not the same car...not even close. You failed at your research. you might as well have compared resale of a 2006 WRX to the older 1999 RS from Subaru. "Who would pay top dollar for a Kia?" I don't know. I'm sure glad we didn't. In fact we paid almost 2.5K less than average according to Edmunds and got free alarm, remote starter and oil changes. An even better question is: "Who would be a new Kia when a used one is a much better value?" There are no used Sedonas. The new model is only out a few months. With a great review and 50 cents, one could buy a cup of coffee. No matter what, the resale value will be less than Toyota and by a large margin. But it's nicer than any Toyota by a good margin, has nicer ride, better handliing and far more power. I wouldn't buy the Toyota due to the poor power. Back to your drawing board, Bob! RB 35s5 NY |
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Kia: The Dodge Caravan for the new century! That's pretty insulting. The USA minivans are the worst in the world, The Nissan Quest is also pretty bad. My top 3: AWD Sienna Kia Sedona EX Honda Oddessy RB 35s5 NY |
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"Capt. Rob" wrote in message ups.com... Kia: The Dodge Caravan for the new century! That's pretty insulting. You're right. Not even you deserve such an insult. I take it back. Hopefully, you will accept my apology. |
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"Capt. Rob" wrote in message ups.com... I don't know. I'm sure glad we didn't. In fact we paid almost 2.5K less than average according to Edmunds and got free alarm, remote starter and oil changes. You had to buy the car to get the freebies. They aren't free. An even better question is: "Who would be a new Kia when a used one is a much better value?" There are no used Sedonas. The new model is only out a few months. They will start filling used car lots soon. With a great review and 50 cents, one could buy a cup of coffee. No matter what, the resale value will be less than Toyota and by a large margin. But it's nicer than any Toyota by a good margin, has nicer ride, better handliing and far more power. I wouldn't buy the Toyota due to the poor power. The power difference only begins in the top ten percent of the rpm range. Are you going to redline a minivan? The Toyota is lighter and has a far superior transmission. Not to mention exceptional gas mileage. Toyota can point to a consistent track record of quality and exceptional value. The best KIA can do is hope that this car is their exception and meets the norm for Toyota. Wings on a pig Robster! |
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"Dave" wrote in message ... On 7 Jun 2006 11:43:52 -0700, "Capt. Rob" said: The 2006 Kia is an all new minivan Weren't we hearing something like that about the Mac 26??? not long ago? BWaHahahahahahahahahha !!!!!!!! Good one, Dave . SBV |
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Bob Crantz wrote: "Capt. Rob" wrote in message ups.com... I don't know. I'm sure glad we didn't. In fact we paid almost 2.5K less than average according to Edmunds and got free alarm, remote starter and oil changes. You had to buy the car to get the freebies. They aren't free. There free if the dealer gave them to us and no one else we spoke to. There are no used Sedonas. The new model is only out a few months. They will start filling used car lots soon. And so it goes for every car, but for now you were utterly wrong. The power difference only begins in the top ten percent of the rpm range. Are you going to redline a minivan? Wrong. It's noticeable at the low end, off the line, merging and so on and noted in EVERY rewiew that the HP and Torque are excellent, beating all others. I drove them all and the Kia is clearly the fastest and has the most grunt. Frankly 0-60 in 7.3 seconds is faster than required...but I'll take it! The Toyota is lighter and has a far superior transmission. Not to mention exceptional gas mileage. The Toyota has the same MPG. We know this 1st hand. The AWD version is far worse on gas of course. Toyota can point to a consistent track record of quality and exceptional value. Too bad they won't back the car with a good warranty. Dealer warranties are a must with every Toyota and don't cover everything. The best KIA can do is hope that this car is their exception and meets the norm for Toyota. And that is Kia's goal, with 3 more upscale cars in the works and financial muscle to challenge Mercedes and BMW in 3 more years. The Korean car builders are chasing after the Japanese just as the Japanese chased after the big 3. The scary part is the Kia and Hyundai are merged and have shown that they can do what the Japanese did in half the time. The big three are doomed when fit and finish of a 10K Kia beats a Caddy. RB 35s5 NY |
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asian cars are nothing like the european product...
asia can copy...that's it...american cars took a good lesson from europe, the are playing the "catch up game" us cars will be there in 5 years or so, they have come a long way...try getting hit broad side by a car going 60 in asian cheap, lightweight metal...see how that feels...as compaired to volvo, m benz, or bmw... LLoyd Bonafide wrote: I'm a Korean War Veteran and there's no way I would support that Korean crap. I bet that thing is colder than the Chosin Reservoir in winter and rattles like a Russian T-54 tank. The thing probably smells like kimchee and smokes like a Korean wantiki torch burning bunker oil. If only McArthur had pushed into Manchuria we would all be driving Chryslers today. Don't get me going on that Jap stuff either! Sure, they are built in America but in Japanese controlled labor camps. Miss your quota once it is off to the hotbox for you. Screw up again and it is off with your head. No, I would rather drive a car built by big, fat, lazy, overpaid union workers. They are fat because they eat steak, not riceballs and fish heads. That foreign stuff is junk. Lloyd |
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Sienna = 8 passenger
Sedona = 7 passenger MSRP Sienna LE = $25,430 MSRP Sedona = $25,595 Sing to "My Sharona" by The Knack Ooh my little peppy one, peppy one. Are you gonna start up some time, Sedona? Will you make your motor run, your motor run. Gun it comin' off the line Sedona Never gonna stop, give it up. Got no brakes. Always get it in for the touch of the cheaper paint. My my my i yi woo. M M M My Sedona... Come a little closer huh, ah will ya huh. Close enough to look in my eyes, Sedona. Keeping it a mystery gets to me Drooling down the length of my thighs, Sedona Never gonna stop, give it up. Such a cheapo car. Always get it up for the touch of the cheaper paint. My my my i yi woo. M M M My Sedona... When you gonna give it to me, give it to me. It is just a matter of time Sedona Is it just cheap to me, cheap to me? Or is it delusion in my mind, Sedona? Never gonna stop, got no brakes. Such a rotten car. Always get it up for the touch of the crinkled paint. My my my i yi woo. M M M My Sedona... |
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Best in class crash rating: Sedona = Yes Sienna = 3rd best behind Honda and Sedona Power Sedona = highest HP and torque Sienna = 3rd best behind Honda and Sedona Handling Honda and Sedona = tie Seinna 3rd with slower slalom and skidpad Powered rear hatch Sedona = Yes Sienna = No 6 CD changer Sedona = Yes Sienna = No, 4 CD DVD with surround sound, center channel, DTS and Infinity amp and 13 speakers Sedona = Yes Sienna = No, nothing even close 5 year, 60K Bumper to Bumper and 10 year, 100K powertain warranties Sedona = Yes Sienna = No RB 35s5 NY |
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The alarm is standard equipment:
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Bob Crantz wrote: The alarm is standard equipment: http://www.autobytel.com/content/res...Action/Compare You did pay for it. Yes we got the standard alarm...but we also got a Cobra passive system with better features combined with remote start. One button starts the car. A second button starts the car AND opens Thomas' door. That's not standard, sir. RB 35s5 NY |
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Bob Crantz wrote: Costs less and carries more! http://www.autobytel.com/content/shared/Compare/index.cfm/sectionName/Research/action/compareNew/CarsToCompare/R,1018804;R,1018253/back/Vehicle%20Report/breadCrumbs/hp,research,makesearch Yup and the weakest engine around. Also: You might want to try actually sitting in the Sienna...worst seats of all the minivans. Only 3 year warranty. or as you Autobytel says.... http://www.autobytel.com/content/sha...le_id_int/1078 And if that's too many pages to read, here are some highlights... "Making a minivan stylish is a difficult task accomplished by few, but with the 2006 Sedona, Kia gets it exactly right." "Most impressive, however, is the leather that's optional in the EX. It feels really good - soft, smooth, almost plush, yet the seat is perfectly supportive." "In terms of control layout, the 2006 Kia Sedona's buttons, knobs, and displays are all clearly marked, large, and operate with the dampened heft and refinement of a luxury car. The end result is the impression of quality, and of designers who bothered to take the time to consider how a minivan is really used." "Coil springs manage body motion, and stabilizer bars help limit body roll. Kia's suspension tuner, Gordon Dickie, aimed for a blend of the Honda Odyssey's taut responsiveness and the Toyota Sienna's soft cushiness, and we'd say he succeeded. " "Sedona offers the most powerful engine in the class, a new aluminum 3.8-liter V6 equipped with 24 valves and dual continuously variable valve timing (CVVT). This new V6 makes 244 horsepower at 6,000 rpm and 253 lb.-ft. of torque at 3,500 rpm when running on premium unleaded. That's more horsepower and torque than Chrysler, Dodge, Ford, GM, Honda, Mazda, Nissan and Toyota offer in a minivan." "Even when cruising at 80 mph on grooved pavement, road and engine noise were virtually absent. In our experience, only the Toyota Sienna comes close to delivering this kind of cabin isolation, and at comparatively higher prices." "As a result, the 2006 Sedona brings to market the best and brightest ideas from other manufacturers in a handsomely designed package. All that's left to ensure market success, at this writing, is top-notch crash-test scores." 2006 Sedona leads EVERY minivan in crash tests and rollover. Expect Toyota and Honda to respond quickly to this challenge. For the first time the Koreans realyy have everyone on the run to design a market segment. RB 35s5 NY |
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"Capt. Rob" wrote in message ps.com... Bob Crantz wrote: The alarm is standard equipment: http://www.autobytel.com/content/res...Action/Compare You did pay for it. Yes we got the standard alarm |
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Bob Crantz wrote: "Capt. Rob" wrote in message ps.com... Bob Crantz wrote: The alarm is standard equipment: http://www.autobytel.com/content/res...Action/Compare You did pay for it. Yes we got the standard alarm Lordy....you really lost. You could have really trolled this better. Want me to take over? You take my side, ok! RB 35s5 NY |
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"Capt. Rob" wrote in message ups.com... Bob Crantz wrote: Costs less and carries more! http://www.autobytel.com/content/shared/Compare/index.cfm/sectionName/Research/action/compareNew/CarsToCompare/R,1018804;R,1018253/back/Vehicle%20Report/breadCrumbs/hp,research,makesearch Yup and the weakest engine around. Also: You might want to try actually sitting in the Sienna...worst seats of all the minivans. Only 3 year warranty. 3 years or 30 Kmiles. Yet people buy their cars. Toyota-soon to be largest car manufacturer in US history! or as you Autobytel says.... http://www.autobytel.com/content/sha...le_id_int/1078 And if that's too many pages to read, here are some highlights... "Making a minivan stylish is a difficult task accomplished by few, but with the 2006 Sedona, Kia gets it exactly right." Style is absolute. "Most impressive, however, is the leather that's optional in the EX. It feels really good - soft, smooth, almost plush, yet the seat is perfectly supportive." Corinthian leather? Where's Ricardo Montalban? What was he selling - Chryslers? "In terms of control layout, the 2006 Kia Sedona's buttons, knobs, and displays are all clearly marked, large, and operate with the dampened heft and refinement of a luxury car. The end result is the impression of quality, and of designers who bothered to take the time to consider how a minivan is really used." Especially those leather seats and kids! "Coil springs manage body motion, and stabilizer bars help limit body roll. Kia's suspension tuner, Gordon Dickie, aimed for a blend of the Honda Odyssey's taut responsiveness and the Toyota Sienna's soft cushiness, and we'd say he succeeded. " Firmly in the middle! "Sedona offers the most powerful engine in the class, a new aluminum 3.8-liter V6 equipped with 24 valves and dual continuously variable valve timing (CVVT). This new V6 makes 244 horsepower at 6,000 rpm and 253 lb.-ft. of torque at 3,500 rpm when running on premium unleaded. So it needs to run on premium unleaded? 6,000 RPM? That's more horsepower and torque than Chrysler, Dodge, Ford, GM, Honda, Mazda, Nissan and Toyota offer in a minivan." So? "Even when cruising at 80 mph on grooved pavement, road and engine noise were virtually absent. In our experience, only the Toyota Sienna comes close to delivering this kind of cabin isolation, and at comparatively higher prices." The Sienna costs less! "As a result, the 2006 Sedona brings to market the best and brightest ideas from other manufacturers in a handsomely designed package. All that's left to ensure market success, at this writing, is top-notch crash-test scores." Kia leads by following! 2006 Sedona leads EVERY minivan in crash tests and rollover. Expect Toyota and Honda to respond quickly to this challenge. For the first time the Koreans realyy have everyone on the run to design a market segment. Rollover tests were not done using traction control. The Toyota traction and stability control is far superior to Kia's. It may lead, but by how much? The real crash test is when the insurance cuts the check for your totaled car. After 3 years the check will be much bigger for the Toyota than the Kia, and the Toyota costs less! |
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Rollover tests were not done using traction control. The Toyota traction and stability control is far superior to Kia's. It may lead, but by how much? The Toyota and Kia have nearly identical systems, but the Kia's has dual sensors on each wheel to detect spin and pressures (Like Subaru), while the Toyota continues to use the more primitive system. Bad research by Bob C. again. The real crash test is when the insurance cuts the check for your totaled car. After 3 years the check will be much bigger for the Toyota than the Kia, and the Toyota costs less! That's great, but I'd rather pass on that bigger check and have the safer van by a mile. The Toyota comes in 3rd! They should send the check first! Kia Sedona is BEST in class by a wide margin. Think about it, even the old crappy Sedona was judged safer. The 2006 with it's ladder frame beat those original numbers! RB 35s5 NY |
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"Capt. Rob" wrote in message oups.com... 3 years or 30 Kmiles. Yet people buy their cars. Toyota-soon to be largest car manufacturer in US history! So I need to do what everyone else does? No, I'm just applying your criteria. Why? Toyota makes a great car. So does Honda. Now Kia has also started making some excellent cars. Only time will tell. Why is this a problem for you? It's not. I want to have even more choice in excellent cars. It's not my fault US cars suck. You mean GM, Ford or Chrysler. Remember Toyota is American made. Especially those leather seats and kids! Yup, easy clean up and no stains compared to the horrible cloths. Nope. Seeping wounds do a number on leather, as does screwdrivers. aimed for a blend of the Honda Odyssey's taut responsiveness and the Toyota Sienna's soft cushiness, and we'd say he succeeded. " Firmly in the middle! Yup, everyone seems to prefer the Kia's handling, including Tridata review. Toyota came in last! We'll see what is preferred three years down the road - in resale value. "Sedona offers the most powerful engine in the class, a new aluminum 3.8-liter V6 equipped with 24 valves and dual continuously variable valve timing (CVVT). This new V6 makes 244 horsepower at 6,000 rpm and 253 lb.-ft. of torque at 3,500 rpm when running on premium unleaded. So it needs to run on premium unleaded? No, we're did you read that. It takes a 2HP hit when using regular, but still gallops faster than all others and has better torque throughout the range. It takes a bigger hit. That's more horsepower and torque than Chrysler, Dodge, Ford, GM, Honda, Mazda, Nissan and Toyota offer in a minivan." So? So? Good lord. So? Is it better? "Even when cruising at 80 mph on grooved pavement, road and engine noise were virtually absent. In our experience, only the Toyota Sienna comes close to delivering this kind of cabin isolation, and at comparatively higher prices." The Sienna costs less! Nope, loaded up like a fully loaded EX it's 4.5K more...and you STILL miss features that the Kia has! You're looking at base prices. And add another couple of grand for that extended warranty, which is dealer only! Sienna costs less! "As a result, the 2006 Sedona brings to market the best and brightest ideas from other manufacturers in a handsomely designed package. All that's left to ensure market success, at this writing, is top-notch crash-test scores." Kia leads by following! Just like Toyota did when they challenged the Caravan when it was king! Don't forget the 25% tariff slapped on Toyota minivans at the time. Ummmmm....KERBLAM!!! Man....you didn't even score ONE POINT!!!! Seriously...I can do MUCH better if I play the other side! No you can't. I am in a weakened state. It's 95-105F outside, I've been running and cycling up mountains for hours on end each day and don't quite have the time or energy to do a total smackdown of you. The only things KIA has are good reviews and the potential to be a good car. A few years time will show if it is. Toyota will krush KIA. KRUSH!!! |
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So I need to do what everyone else does? No, I'm just applying your criteria. Actually, you're not. It's not. I want to have even more choice in excellent cars. Looks like the Koreans mean business. You mean GM, Ford or Chrysler. Remember Toyota is American made. It is made IN America IN PART, but it's not an American car. Nope. Seeping wounds do a number on leather, as does screwdrivers. Seeping wounds are more likely in a Sienna with it's inferior safety ratings and performance. As for Screwdrivers...none of us are drinkers. We'll see what is preferred three years down the road - in resale value. Three years down the road the cars we're discussed will be "old" and the Toyota out of warranty. The Kia will have 2 years left bumper to bumper and 10 on the powertrain! It takes a bigger hit. No one has noted a difference. We did get slightly better MPG in premium, but power was still excellent on regular. So? Is it better? Yup, Suzanne said the Sienna felt underpowered and taxed when she got on the throttle. I agreed. It needs more torque. Sienna costs less! Please show everyone where a Sienna, loaded to the same level as a loaded Sedona EX costs LESS. Don't forget the 25% tariff slapped on Toyota minivans at the time. Toyota still coppied. They all did and still do. Kia's just doing it very very well. No you can't. I am in a weakened state. Puh-lease. It's pretty hard for you to bash a van with rave reviews and no service history and a 10 year warranty! You've done a terrible job, tired or not. RB 35s5 NY |
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I'm wearing out the frickin letters on my delete button on this thread!
B-O-O-O-R-R-R-R-R-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-N-N-N-N-N-N-G-G-G-G-G!!!! "Capt. Rob" wrote in message oups.com... So I need to do what everyone else does? No, I'm just applying your criteria. Actually, you're not. It's not. I want to have even more choice in excellent cars. Looks like the Koreans mean business. You mean GM, Ford or Chrysler. Remember Toyota is American made. It is made IN America IN PART, but it's not an American car. Nope. Seeping wounds do a number on leather, as does screwdrivers. Seeping wounds are more likely in a Sienna with it's inferior safety ratings and performance. As for Screwdrivers...none of us are drinkers. We'll see what is preferred three years down the road - in resale value. Three years down the road the cars we're discussed will be "old" and the Toyota out of warranty. The Kia will have 2 years left bumper to bumper and 10 on the powertrain! It takes a bigger hit. No one has noted a difference. We did get slightly better MPG in premium, but power was still excellent on regular. So? Is it better? Yup, Suzanne said the Sienna felt underpowered and taxed when she got on the throttle. I agreed. It needs more torque. Sienna costs less! Please show everyone where a Sienna, loaded to the same level as a loaded Sedona EX costs LESS. Don't forget the 25% tariff slapped on Toyota minivans at the time. Toyota still coppied. They all did and still do. Kia's just doing it very very well. No you can't. I am in a weakened state. Puh-lease. It's pretty hard for you to bash a van with rave reviews and no service history and a 10 year warranty! You've done a terrible job, tired or not. RB 35s5 NY |
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Well, I tried to talk a little sailing BWAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAA! Yeah...we see what you mean! RB 35s5 NY |
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Well, I tried to talk a little sailing with Ozzy and right
away Bob flew into a jelious rant like a jilted school girl to the prom queen. Scotty "Capt.Mooron" wrote in message news:Wv1ig.24987$I61.13946@clgrps13... I'm wearing out the frickin letters on my delete button on this thread! B-O-O-O-R-R-R-R-R-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-N-N-N-N-N-N-G-G-G-G-G!!!! -- "Swab Rob" wrote ... So No, Actually, you're not. It's not. It is Nope. yes it is We'll see is nt It is No So? Yup, no No you can't. is too. RB 35s5 NY |
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RB,
I must admit defeat. You've totally won the Sedona-Sienna troll contest. Well done. BC |
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Can't you guys get it through your heads that the leopard has changed its
spots? Kia hasn't even been sued over its failure to honor the warranty on the 2006 models. All the complaints and suits are over last year's models and older Sedonas. Damn you idiots who refuse to believe in redemption. -- jlrogers±³© "Capt. Rob" wrote in message oups.com... Toyota may cost a few thousand more, but after 4 years it has over double the resale value of a Kia! We're talking 8K$! Such poor research, Bob. I'm really shocked you could be so sloppy. The 2006 Kia is an all new minivan and no resale data is available for it yet. Judging by the fact that it is currently a huge hit for them and getting great reviews, it's likely resale will be better. That said, few cars can match a Toyota in that area. RB 35s5 NY |
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