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Just back from a week in Florida and had time to reconsider direction.
Tusting that this group is not on the verge of changing to
Alt.Kiaminivan, your valued input is sought.

Original plan - 1.) Sell current house. 2.) Move to Mississippi
Gulf Coast. 3.) build house and shop on optioned lot on Biloxi Back
Bay. 4.) Start business, woodworking and marine related. 5.) buy
next sailing craft 35' plus or minus in length.

Because of the chaos and general paralaysis that continues on the
coast and because of some other issues, I've decided that this plan is
not workable in the near term, maybe not for a number of years.

Time moves on and I'm not getting any younger. So, I'm considering
staying put for a while. But I need something to sail. While in
Florida I determined that what I really should consider near term is a
very nice trailerable sailer (oxymoron?). I can haul it to the coast
and gunkhole in the areas I want to sail and when at home I can use it
on the half dozen lakes that are 1-3 hours away. I've also always
wanted to make a trip down Jamie Whittens folly (TenTom) to Mobile
Bay.

Requirements:

reasonably good sailor
accomodations for two (fairly good sports) for several days to a week
at a time
total package( boat wet with motor and trailer) less than 5000 lbs
reasonable resale

I have something in mind, but your suggestions:


Frank

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"Frank Boettcher" wrote in message
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Just back from a week in Florida and had time to reconsider direction.
Tusting that this group is not on the verge of changing to
Alt.Kiaminivan, your valued input is sought.

Original plan - 1.) Sell current house. 2.) Move to Mississippi
Gulf Coast. 3.) build house and shop on optioned lot on Biloxi Back
Bay. 4.) Start business, woodworking and marine related. 5.) buy
next sailing craft 35' plus or minus in length.

Because of the chaos and general paralaysis that continues on the
coast and because of some other issues, I've decided that this plan is
not workable in the near term, maybe not for a number of years.

Time moves on and I'm not getting any younger. So, I'm considering
staying put for a while. But I need something to sail. While in
Florida I determined that what I really should consider near term is a
very nice trailerable sailer (oxymoron?). I can haul it to the coast
and gunkhole in the areas I want to sail and when at home I can use it
on the half dozen lakes that are 1-3 hours away. I've also always
wanted to make a trip down Jamie Whittens folly (TenTom) to Mobile
Bay.

Requirements:

reasonably good sailor
accomodations for two (fairly good sports) for several days to a week
at a time
total package( boat wet with motor and trailer) less than 5000 lbs
reasonable resale

I have something in mind, but your suggestions:


Frank

What about cost?

New/used?

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I have something in mind...

Frank... at the risk of stirring up a "hornet's nest" with this
group (smile)... I am going to recommend a MacGregor 26...
based on several of your comments.

The Mac is kind of a "Jack of all trades (sail versus power)...
but master of neither" type of situation. I would have enjoyed
a 30' plus trawler or sloop but ended up settling for the Mac for
various reasons having to do with my personal limitations.

For the time being... it will serve my purpose for being on the
water (lakes and/or coastal) and getting out there every now
and then... in conjuction with it's limitations.

Better than nothin.... heh heh

Best regards

Bill

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"Frank Boettcher" wrote in message
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Requirements:

reasonably good sailor
accomodations for two (fairly good sports) for several days to a week
at a time
total package( boat wet with motor and trailer) less than 5000 lbs
reasonable resale

I have something in mind, but your suggestions:


Frank

I would bite the bullet for a bigger tow vehicle and get one of these:

http://www.norseayachts.com/norsea27.php

With the price of gasoline these days you can get a pretty good deal on a
used truck to tow this thing.

John Cairns

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On Thu, 1 Jun 2006 12:46:38 -0600, "Bob Crantz"
wrote:


"Frank Boettcher" wrote in message
.. .


Just back from a week in Florida and had time to reconsider direction.
Tusting that this group is not on the verge of changing to
Alt.Kiaminivan, your valued input is sought.

Original plan - 1.) Sell current house. 2.) Move to Mississippi
Gulf Coast. 3.) build house and shop on optioned lot on Biloxi Back
Bay. 4.) Start business, woodworking and marine related. 5.) buy
next sailing craft 35' plus or minus in length.

Because of the chaos and general paralaysis that continues on the
coast and because of some other issues, I've decided that this plan is
not workable in the near term, maybe not for a number of years.

Time moves on and I'm not getting any younger. So, I'm considering
staying put for a while. But I need something to sail. While in
Florida I determined that what I really should consider near term is a
very nice trailerable sailer (oxymoron?). I can haul it to the coast
and gunkhole in the areas I want to sail and when at home I can use it
on the half dozen lakes that are 1-3 hours away. I've also always
wanted to make a trip down Jamie Whittens folly (TenTom) to Mobile
Bay.

Requirements:

reasonably good sailor
accomodations for two (fairly good sports) for several days to a week
at a time
total package( boat wet with motor and trailer) less than 5000 lbs
reasonable resale

I have something in mind, but your suggestions:


Frank

What about cost?

Let's cap it at $30K for the package, but as you might expect, the
least possible to achieve the goal

New/used?

Doesn't matter, good used would be preferable, but new not out of the
question. I don't want a basket case.

Frank

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These guys might have a good grasp of the subject.
http://www.trailersailor.com/



On Thu, 01 Jun 2006 11:09:36 -0500, Frank Boettcher
wrote:



Just back from a week in Florida and had time to reconsider direction.
Tusting that this group is not on the verge of changing to
Alt.Kiaminivan, your valued input is sought.

Original plan - 1.) Sell current house. 2.) Move to Mississippi
Gulf Coast. 3.) build house and shop on optioned lot on Biloxi Back
Bay. 4.) Start business, woodworking and marine related. 5.) buy
next sailing craft 35' plus or minus in length.

Because of the chaos and general paralaysis that continues on the
coast and because of some other issues, I've decided that this plan is
not workable in the near term, maybe not for a number of years.

Time moves on and I'm not getting any younger. So, I'm considering
staying put for a while. But I need something to sail. While in
Florida I determined that what I really should consider near term is a
very nice trailerable sailer (oxymoron?). I can haul it to the coast
and gunkhole in the areas I want to sail and when at home I can use it
on the half dozen lakes that are 1-3 hours away. I've also always
wanted to make a trip down Jamie Whittens folly (TenTom) to Mobile
Bay.

Requirements:

reasonably good sailor
accomodations for two (fairly good sports) for several days to a week
at a time
total package( boat wet with motor and trailer) less than 5000 lbs
reasonable resale

I have something in mind, but your suggestions:


Frank

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"Frank Boettcher" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 1 Jun 2006 12:46:38 -0600, "Bob Crantz"
wrote:


"Frank Boettcher" wrote in message
. ..


Just back from a week in Florida and had time to reconsider direction.
Tusting that this group is not on the verge of changing to
Alt.Kiaminivan, your valued input is sought.

Original plan - 1.) Sell current house. 2.) Move to Mississippi
Gulf Coast. 3.) build house and shop on optioned lot on Biloxi Back
Bay. 4.) Start business, woodworking and marine related. 5.) buy
next sailing craft 35' plus or minus in length.

Because of the chaos and general paralaysis that continues on the
coast and because of some other issues, I've decided that this plan is
not workable in the near term, maybe not for a number of years.

Time moves on and I'm not getting any younger. So, I'm considering
staying put for a while. But I need something to sail. While in
Florida I determined that what I really should consider near term is a
very nice trailerable sailer (oxymoron?). I can haul it to the coast
and gunkhole in the areas I want to sail and when at home I can use it
on the half dozen lakes that are 1-3 hours away. I've also always
wanted to make a trip down Jamie Whittens folly (TenTom) to Mobile
Bay.

Requirements:

reasonably good sailor
accomodations for two (fairly good sports) for several days to a week
at a time
total package( boat wet with motor and trailer) less than 5000 lbs
reasonable resale

I have something in mind, but your suggestions:


Frank

What about cost?

Let's cap it at $30K for the package, but as you might expect, the
least possible to achieve the goal

New/used?

Doesn't matter, good used would be preferable, but new not out of the
question. I don't want a basket case.

Frank

Go with a water ballast Catalina. It's not a Mac.

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John Cairns wrote:
"Frank Boettcher" wrote in message
...
Requirements:

reasonably good sailor
accomodations for two (fairly good sports) for several days to a week
at a time
total package( boat wet with motor and trailer) less than 5000 lbs
reasonable resale

I have something in mind, but your suggestions:


Frank

I would bite the bullet for a bigger tow vehicle and get one of these:

http://www.norseayachts.com/norsea27.php

With the price of gasoline these days you can get a pretty good deal on a
used truck to tow this thing.

John Cairns


Really nice, but stepping it every weekend would be a real drag...that's
a lot of boat for a 27'....

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Frank Boettcher wrote:
..... what I really should consider near term is a
very nice trailerable sailer (oxymoron?). I can haul it to the coast
and gunkhole in the areas I want to sail and when at home I can use it
on the half dozen lakes that are 1-3 hours away. I've also always
wanted to make a trip down Jamie Whittens folly (TenTom) to Mobile
Bay.

Requirements:

reasonably good sailor
accomodations for two (fairly good sports) for several days to a week
at a time
total package( boat wet with motor and trailer) less than 5000 lbs
reasonable resale

I have something in mind, but your suggestions:


How about a Dovekie?
(this is an old ad)
http://www.sailingtexas.com/sdovekiea.html

There is also a Dovekie big sister, a very nice 28' yawl
called the Shearwater. Both a built to a high standard by
Edey & Duff. Another boat along similar lines, a bit less
handsome to my eye but roomier & fancier, is the Sea Pearl 28.

Here's a boat very similar to one I'm considering, a bit
much for the Tenn-Tom though.
(another expired ad)
http://www.sailingtexas.com/stripp26a.html

The suggestion of a Mac 26 is also not a bad one, although I
wonder if Bill W was suggesting a Mac 26-X which is a
miserably poor sailer. The older ones sail quite well.

Here's the boat which we trailersailed in for 10 years...
never saw any boat which came close in comfort &
practicality with such a high degree of trailerability. It's
not the kind of boat that earns you bragging rights though.
http://www.sailboatowners.com/boats/...37&fno=0&bts=T

During our trailersailing years we were members of two clubs
and had the chance to either sail ourselves, or at least
sail in company with (and closely observe) most of the more
common trailersailers out there.

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

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On Thu, 01 Jun 2006 11:09:36 -0500, Frank Boettcher
wrote:


I have something in mind, but your suggestions:


Frank


Anyone every own or sail a later model Precision 23 ?

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On Thu, 01 Jun 2006 22:19:12 GMT, "John Cairns"
wrote:


"Frank Boettcher" wrote in message
.. .
Requirements:

reasonably good sailor
accomodations for two (fairly good sports) for several days to a week
at a time
total package( boat wet with motor and trailer) less than 5000 lbs
reasonable resale

I have something in mind, but your suggestions:


Frank

I would bite the bullet for a bigger tow vehicle and get one of these:

http://www.norseayachts.com/norsea27.php

With the price of gasoline these days you can get a pretty good deal on a
used truck to tow this thing.

John Cairns



Nice, but a touch much for what I have in mind. Looks up to a
crossing. Also, fairly shallow draft but I think a keel/cb might make
more sense for the areas I want to sail. If I can avoid dealing with
a dink it would be a plus.

Frank

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On Thu, 01 Jun 2006 22:34:23 GMT, Mys Terry
wrote:

On Thu, 01 Jun 2006 11:09:36 -0500, Frank Boettcher
wrote:



Just back from a week in Florida and had time to reconsider direction.
Tusting that this group is not on the verge of changing to
Alt.Kiaminivan, your valued input is sought.

Original plan - 1.) Sell current house. 2.) Move to Mississippi
Gulf Coast. 3.) build house and shop on optioned lot on Biloxi Back
Bay. 4.) Start business, woodworking and marine related. 5.) buy
next sailing craft 35' plus or minus in length.

Because of the chaos and general paralaysis that continues on the
coast and because of some other issues, I've decided that this plan is
not workable in the near term, maybe not for a number of years.

Time moves on and I'm not getting any younger. So, I'm considering
staying put for a while. But I need something to sail. While in
Florida I determined that what I really should consider near term is a
very nice trailerable sailer (oxymoron?). I can haul it to the coast
and gunkhole in the areas I want to sail and when at home I can use it
on the half dozen lakes that are 1-3 hours away. I've also always
wanted to make a trip down Jamie Whittens folly (TenTom) to Mobile
Bay.

Requirements:

reasonably good sailor
accomodations for two (fairly good sports) for several days to a week
at a time
total package( boat wet with motor and trailer) less than 5000 lbs
reasonable resale

I have something in mind, but your suggestions:


Frank

I'm not sure what they are making currently, but Seaward made some good quality
trailer pocket cruisers from about 19 feet to I think, 32. Not really sport
boats, but with your criteria, you are going to face more compromises than you
would with picking out a boat using less restrictive qualifications. I think
they had a 23 footer that might be about what you are describing. No standing
headroom, but enough room for two people "camping" on board with gear.

Here's another thought: Panama. MUCH nicer than Florida for a tiny fraction of
the cost. Out of the hurricane belt, too.


Actually, I've a couple of kids that are scholarshipped up and require
me to be a Mississippi resident for at least a few more years. Not to
mention a lot of family and property interests in the state.

Terry & Skipper, Clearlake Texas

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Did you see the price tag?

Complete boat with Sails. Call factory about options $
138,640.00
Trailer 3 Axle, Galvanized, Brake Flush kit, Electric winch
$ 6,700.00



"John Cairns" wrote in
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Frank

I would bite the bullet for a bigger tow vehicle and get
one of these:

http://www.norseayachts.com/norsea27.php

With the price of gasoline these days you can get a pretty
good deal on a
used truck to tow this thing.

John Cairns

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"Frank Boettcher" wrote in message
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On Thu, 01 Jun 2006 11:09:36 -0500, Frank Boettcher
wrote:


I have something in mind, but your suggestions:


Frank


Anyone every own or sail a later model Precision 23 ?


No, but we looked at one before we bought the Mac 26 (knot
an X ). Too tiny!


--
Scott Vernon
Plowville Pa _/)__/)_/)_

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"Scotty" wrote in message
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Did you see the price tag?

Complete boat with Sails. Call factory about options $
138,640.00
Trailer 3 Axle, Galvanized, Brake Flush kit, Electric winch
$ 6,700.00

Would be the last individual to recommend purchasing a new boat. Examples of
the 27' can be found for as little as 35k, which compares nicely to the
price for a new loaded Mac. In any event, Frank apparently wants something
cheaper and less capable than a Nor'sea.

John Cairns

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"John Cairns" wrote in
message
.com...

"Scotty" wrote in message
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Did you see the price tag?

Complete boat with Sails. Call factory about options $
138,640.00
Trailer 3 Axle, Galvanized, Brake Flush kit, Electric
winch
$ 6,700.00

Would be the last individual to recommend purchasing a new
boat. Examples of
the 27' can be found for as little as 35k,


That's quite a drop.

which compares nicely to the
price for a new loaded Mac. I

I would be the last individual to recommend purchasing a new
Mac.


n any event, Frank apparently wants something
cheaper and less capable than a Nor'sea.


It really is a nice trailer boat, though.

Scotty