I agree about the radical Islamists part, but the citizenry of Iran in
general does not fall into that category. Most Muslims are peaceful people
with no interest in killing anyone.

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"Vito" wrote in message
...
"Maxprop" wrote
"Capt. JG" wrote
Travelling to Tehran would not be dangerous for the average American.

You'd be a fool to believe that when traveling to Tehran. Bush =
American
citizens = Bush. They don't differentiate between our leaders and us.
9/11
should have taught you that.


Fact is we are all "infidels" to radical Islam and they believe that they
are
doing God's own work by killing as many of us as possible. They believe
that
the very concept of democracy - the idea that man rather than God can make
the
rules - is a mortal sin. Worse yet, democracy leads to affluence and
education,
eliminating the religious fervor that comes with grinding physical and
mental
poverty. To them, our "threat" of bringing freedom and plenty to their
world is
akin to bringing a dance band to a baptist convention. Hard as it is to
believe, they are even more dangerous than radical christians and every
person
who threatens to bring them wealth and freedom must be killed first. As
Max
says, they do not distinguish between infidels and their leaders.

Saddam was keeping a thumb on these radicals - that's why it was safe for
Americans to go to Tehran under him. Blundering Bush removed Saddam from
power
and his thumb from the radicals but he did not replace it with a US thumb.
That's why it's dangerous for everybody in Tehran, even moderate Muslims.

"Capt. JG" wrote in message
...
I agree about the radical Islamists part, but the citizenry of Iran in
general does not fall into that category. Most Muslims are peaceful people
with no interest in killing anyone.

When polled, however, they seem to have no issues with terrorists who
exterminate infidels.

Max

You're probably right. Thus, what I was saying... our foreign policy
infuriates people in other countries, and they have less of a problem
supporting terrorists, which makes us less safe abroad.

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"Maxprop" wrote in message
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"Capt. JG" wrote in message
...
I agree about the radical Islamists part, but the citizenry of Iran in
general does not fall into that category. Most Muslims are peaceful people
with no interest in killing anyone.

When polled, however, they seem to have no issues with terrorists who
exterminate infidels.

Max

"Capt. JG" wrote in message
...
You're probably right. Thus, what I was saying... our foreign policy
infuriates people in other countries, and they have less of a problem
supporting terrorists, which makes us less safe abroad.

I suspect it goes deeper than that. True, the West is despised by many
Mideasterners, but moreover I think Islam holds no sympathy for infidels,
whether they live in the West or elsewhere. Most Muslims are peaceful and
passive, content to worship in their own manner. But they aren't outraged
by the Islamic extremists who bring terror and murder to their particular
brand of Islam. It's the old adage: you're either part of the solution, or
part of the problem.

That said, I seriously doubt if Muslims living in the Middle East will ever
hold much stock with Westerners. Our best tactic would be to leave them
alone and stay out of their affairs. But I fear we have, as the Japanese
emperor once said, awakened a sleeping tiger. It won't go away any time
soon, no matter what we do.

Max

"Capt. JG" wrote in message
...
I agree about the radical Islamists part, but the citizenry of Iran in
general does not fall into that category. Most Muslims are peaceful people
with no interest in killing anyone.

Possibly, but it only takes one undeterred radical to ruin a vacation, and the
citizenry of Iran have been unable to deter their radicals since Blundering Bush
"brought freedom" to them. Question in my mind is why they elected leaders and
a constitution just like Iran's if they are so peaceful. I suspect their idea
of "peace" is everybody in the world submitting to sharia. Otherwise it's jihad.

I agree about the radical Islamists part, but the citizenry of Iran in
general does not fall into that category. Most Muslims are peaceful people
with no interest in killing anyone.


Vito wrote:
Possibly, but it only takes one undeterred radical to ruin a vacation, and the
citizenry of Iran have been unable to deter their radicals since Blundering Bush
"brought freedom" to them.

You mean Iraq, I guess? I've made that exact same typo...

.... Question in my mind is why they elected leaders and
a constitution just like Iran's if they are so peaceful. I suspect their idea
of "peace" is everybody in the world submitting to sharia. Otherwise it's jihad.


Maybe, maybe not. First they want all their neighbors to go
to the same church and pray the same way, so it'll take them
a while to get around to us.

Meanwhile, I suggest that both you and Maxprop google up
some of the mainstream Muslim pronouncements on terrorism &
suicide bombing. Don't believe what me, look for yourself if
you're at all interested (or at least interested enough to
avoid making imbecilic statements like Max P).

DSK

"DSK" wrote
Vito wrote:
Possibly, but it only takes one undeterred radical to ruin a vacation, and
the
citizenry of Iran have been unable to deter their radicals since Blundering
Bush
"brought freedom" to them.

You mean Iraq, I guess? I've made that exact same typo...

Yes, thanks

Meanwhile, I suggest that both you and Maxprop google up
some of the mainstream Muslim pronouncements on terrorism &
suicide bombing.....

Sure but actions speak louder .... etc .. and, fact is, the mainstream verbally
denounces yet protects and supports the radical minority. It's the same with
all religions. Not one in 1000 Christians would bomb an abortion clinic, let
alone leave a second delayed bomb to kill the emergency people who respond, but
they do fund these activities thru their "mainstream" churches. All of the
Methodists I know are hunters and shooters, but every Sunday they drop $$$ into
a collection plate and the church's leaders use it to fund Sara Brady. All a
Muslim terrorist need do is hole up in a mosque to be safe from us - these
"mainstream" Muslims protect him.

Meanwhile, I suggest that both you and Maxprop google up
some of the mainstream Muslim pronouncements on terrorism &
suicide bombing.....


Vito wrote:
Sure but actions speak louder .... etc .. and, fact is, the mainstream verbally
denounces yet protects and supports the radical minority.

How do you figure?

... It's the same with
all religions. Not one in 1000 Christians would bomb an abortion clinic, let
alone leave a second delayed bomb to kill the emergency people who respond, but
they do fund these activities thru their "mainstream" churches.

I keep forgetting, you're a whacko yourself.

There certainly are some churches who collect money to hand
to abortion clinic bombers, but they ain't "mainstream."



.... All a
Muslim terrorist need do is hole up in a mosque to be safe from us - these
"mainstream" Muslims protect him.


Umm, no. Unless you think that cooperating with law
enforcement to help arrest suspected terrorists is
"protecting" them.

DSK

"DSK" wrote
I keep forgetting, you're a whacko yourself.

.......and you an ostrich ....

Vito wrote:
......and you an ostrich ....


Aww, yer just sayin' that!

I'm a lot of things, many of which are not good... but
that's not one of them.

DSK