Max;

My Myopic friend, just how wrong can you be. I'm for Ethanol. I've
defended Ethanol as safer in transport, emissions and Auto engines for
Flex-fuels. E85 is the quickest way to energy independency. As I've
said; if we can reduce Gasoline usage by 85% the 15% necessary for
Gasoline can easily be supplied by our own reserves.

We have the ability to start using E85 right NOW, if we can get it into
Service Station's Pumps. If we start selling it, the profit boys sure as
hell will start making it.

Max, do you understand what I'm saying? I want Ethanol,if it will make
us fuel independent!! Is that clear enough for your BIAS (?) MIND?

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"Thom Stewart" wrote in message
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We have the ability to start using E85 right NOW, if we can get it into
Service Station's Pumps. If we start selling it, the profit boys sure as
hell will start making it.

Max, do you understand what I'm saying? I want Ethanol,if it will make
us fuel independent!! Is that clear enough for your BIAS (?) MIND?

http://community.webtv.net/tassail/ThomPage

Problem is, and you can look this up, is that it takes MORE than 1 gallon of
fossil fuels to produce 1 gallon of ethanol. The "profit boys" are currently
being subsidized heavily by the federal government to produce ethanol. There
is no "magic bullet", regardless of what the folks at BP say.

http://www.news.cornell.edu/releases...idies.hrs.html

John Cairns

John,

Your Expert from the IVY LEAGUE should get out and buy some; "White
Lightning!"

The Bootleggers have been making ALKY for years on hidden Still, without
Fossil Fuel. They have been transporting & fermenting the Grain in
secret, they have been transporting the "booze" in gallon Jugs in Hop-up
Cars and selling it at around $5.00 a gallon and making a fortune if
they don't get caught.

Now you post an article by a Ivy League that say this isn't possible?
BS!!!!

Let the Profit Boys get a chance to produce it legally. Let the Chemist
start reforming that Ethanol Mol., like they did with the Straight Run
Gasoline and our Street Cars will have the Energy off the Drag Cars on
Fuel

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"John Cairns" wrote in message
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"Thom Stewart" wrote in message
...
We have the ability to start using E85 right NOW, if we can get it into
Service Station's Pumps. If we start selling it, the profit boys sure as
hell will start making it.

Max, do you understand what I'm saying? I want Ethanol,if it will make
us fuel independent!! Is that clear enough for your BIAS (?) MIND?

http://community.webtv.net/tassail/ThomPage

Problem is, and you can look this up, is that it takes MORE than 1 gallon
of fossil fuels to produce 1 gallon of ethanol. The "profit boys" are
currently being subsidized heavily by the federal government to produce
ethanol. There is no "magic bullet", regardless of what the folks at BP
say.

Really old info, John (2003). The ethanol for automotive fuel use will be
produced from a variety of prairie grass, not corn. The cost of producing
one gallon of ethanol is substantially less than if corn were used. In
fact, it is widely regarded that if gasoline at the pumps exceeds $2.70,
then E85 can become a reality with no cost penalty. Since we've already
passed that figure, it's a slam dunk.

Max

Well; thank you Max,

The process in called Cellular Ethanol; An it is the process of using
the waste (What is now called Waste) biomass. The same size field can
out produce Corn 10 to 1 and the emission is reduced by 85% compared to
Ethanol from Corn is only about 25%. The Fermentation uses Gas rather
than Yeast and is getting cheaper every day but is still higher cost yet
than Crude but, as you say, it is competitive right now.

Max; Ethanol is the Chem of the week right now but there are 4 Alcohol
of high interest Methanol, Ethanol, Propanol and butanol. All capable of
replacing Fossil Fuels. Butanol is closer to gasoline than Ethanol

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"Thom Stewart" wrote in message
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Well; thank you Max,

The process in called Cellular Ethanol;

Close. It's "cellulosic ethanol."

An it is the process of using
the waste (What is now called Waste) biomass. The same size field can
out produce Corn 10 to 1 and the emission is reduced by 85% compared to
Ethanol from Corn is only about 25%. The Fermentation uses Gas rather
than Yeast and is getting cheaper every day but is still higher cost yet
than Crude but, as you say, it is competitive right now.

Max; Ethanol is the Chem of the week right now but there are 4 Alcohol
of high interest Methanol, Ethanol, Propanol and butanol. All capable of
replacing Fossil Fuels. Butanol is closer to gasoline than Ethanol

What's frightening is that Big Oil is investing heavily in ethanol, both in
obtaining government-granted rights to grow switchgrass on gov't land, plus
ethanol production facilities. Apparently they aren't going to lose their
market share quietly. I suppose it can be argued that no one "does it
better," but the way they've mishandled the Katrina-period pricing, I'm
worried that we'll never see reasonable prices at the pump again.

Max