But my BMW 323Ci

Gawd, talk about a silly car.


RB
35s5
NY

And one more thing, Bubbles--that Prius is futt bucking ugly.


Yep, it aint that perty. But I own a MG-TF for fun.


RB
35s5
NY

The problem, Bubbles, is that you are a typical gullible consumer,
grasping
at the first thing that comes along, fully believing you are being 1)
ecologically responsible, and 2) cost efficient.


BWahahahahah! Prius is on 3rd gen. How is that the "first thing to come
along?" Hmmm? No one has said that a Prius is cost effective. I only
said I'd rather give money to Toyota than oil. As for being
ecologically responsible your view is typically shortsighted. As I
stated earlier, these cars are the beginning of such efforts on a
higher scale, just like recycling technology that is still struggling.
You pay for the "process" of that improvement. People who bought Honda
CRX's also paid for a process of technology they liked. People like you
just keep waiting for sun powered cars while others commit to becoming
part of the solution. Of course it doesn't "pay" to understand that now
does it, Maxi? Hmmm?

RB
35s5
NY

"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
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And one more thing, Bubbles--that Prius is futt bucking ugly.


Yep, it aint that perty. But I own a MG-TF for fun.

But it will be the Prius you have to see--and be seen in--on a daily basis.
That Morris Garage antique won't stand up to daily use in NYC.

Max

"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
oups.com...
The problem, Bubbles, is that you are a typical gullible consumer,
grasping
at the first thing that comes along, fully believing you are being 1)
ecologically responsible, and 2) cost efficient.


BWahahahahah! Prius is on 3rd gen. How is that the "first thing to come
along?" Hmmm?

Untrue. The current model is the second in the Prius series. But I wasn't
referring to the Prius as the "first thing that comes along." I was
referring to hybrids in general. Yes, they are green, but they are not cost
effective.

No one has said that a Prius is cost effective.

I think I just said that. :-)

I only
said I'd rather give money to Toyota than oil. As for being
ecologically responsible your view is typically shortsighted. As I
stated earlier, these cars are the beginning of such efforts on a
higher scale, just like recycling technology that is still struggling.
You pay for the "process" of that improvement. People who bought Honda
CRX's also paid for a process of technology they liked. People like you
just keep waiting for sun powered cars while others commit to becoming
part of the solution.

Part of what solution? Fuel usage or minimization of greenhouse gasses? I
can equal the fuel consumption of that Prius (driven normally) with a Mini
Cooper S by simply staying off the accelerator pedal (which, admittedly,
would be damned difficult in a Mini). Better yet, I can buy a Smart Car in
Cana-duh and beat your fuel consumption figures all to hell. And I can be
far greener than thou by riding a small-displacement motorcycle or riding a
bicycle. Or by living near my work and walking. So your chest-thumping
self-righteousness is really misplaced, Bubbles. You are not really part of
the solution, but if it makes you feel good, well then by all means go for
it. That's what hybrids are all about, after all. Nothing is quite as
important as satisfying one's own need for believing you're doing the "right
thing." Just don't expect to feel all warm and fuzzy when that mega-battery
is shot and someone has to decide how to dispose of 250lbs. of sulfated
lead.

Max

"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
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How tall are you? I'm 6' and can sit in a Yaris with at least two or
three
inches to spare overhead.

I'm 6'3 and I'm too tall for most compacts. But if you knew something
about driving, you'd also know that even shorter people can have
trouble if their legs are long.

I raced D and E production in SCCA track events for over 20 years. Does
that qualify me to know "something about driving?" But to respond to your
comment, the Yaris has more leg room than you'd probably need. With the
seat all the way back, I'm quite comfortable with my 32" inseam. But I'll
grant that you are probably too, um, sizeable for a Yaris.


Was that 30mpg an all-around average, or just highway. Actually, IIRC,
hybrids get slightly better mileage in city driving, mostly because
their
engines

Actually, you have no clue. I drove the Prius for several days and we
got MUCH better MPG locally off highway. Owners know it's more than
slightly better.

You have far more stops in NYC than most folks do. But on the average, the
Prius and the Honda Civic hybrid do only a little better in city vs. highway
driving. That is according to Toyota and Honda literature, as well as
findings by the automotive press.

My
contention is that Toyota wanted to make a car with the power of a big
V6


Your contention is hardly a factor. The FACTS are that the Camry does
great MPG, have lower emmisions and is part of a improving curve of
higher MPG cars that don't sacrifice drivability and comfort.


To the contrary, I think the US
vehicle fleet should be comprised of at least 50% E85-compatible
vehicles by
2012.

And I think warp drive should also be installed. But here on planet
Earth we won't have any such thing. Meanwhile, at least some of us can
opt to spend less on fuel today.

Brazil is almost completely E-85 now, and has ceased importing foreign oil.
You should read the paper or watch TV a little more before opening mouth and
inserting foot. Oh wait, that wasn't your foot, was it. g

Say, Bubbles--are you going to run that Bendy Toy on biodiesel? If not, you
should be ashamed.

Max

"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
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But my BMW 323Ci

Gawd, talk about a silly car.

Do I detect just a note of jealousy, Bubbles? Huh? g

Max

"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
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Have you even looked at the Ford Explore Hybred? It sure looks like it

could make a 6'5" body comfortable. Milage is good and it sure as hell
has more power; Enough for a real SUV, not a make believe.


My Subaru clobbers the Ford in every way

Not every way. Have you ever looked at that Tripuka from the front? Talk
about homely.

and will last twice as long.

Maybe not twice as long, but probably longer than the Ford.

I
won't buy a poor product on that scale simply because it's American.
The tribeca is also a CROSSOVER, not a pure SUV, Thom. That means it
outhandles the Ford by a wide margin, and yet still has a better crash
rating...the highest in fact. The Tribeca's AWD system is also far
superior to the Ford's.

Why, then, are Tribeca sales a major disappointment for Subaru? And why do
the automotive magazines all, without exception, rate it worse than its
competition? Subaru will most likely drop the ugly, incompetent thing from
their line next year. Better trade that hog now, Bubbles, if you ever hope
to get half what you paid for it.

You might try Vermont--I hear they love Subarus up there, especially those
horrid things with the flat-four engines.

Max

In article et,
Maxprop wrote:

"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
oups.com...
The problem, Bubbles, is that you are a typical gullible consumer,
grasping
at the first thing that comes along, fully believing you are being 1)
ecologically responsible, and 2) cost efficient.


BWahahahahah! Prius is on 3rd gen. How is that the "first thing to come
along?" Hmmm?

Untrue. The current model is the second in the Prius series. But I wasn't
referring to the Prius as the "first thing that comes along." I was
referring to hybrids in general. Yes, they are green, but they are not cost
effective.

No one has said that a Prius is cost effective.

I think I just said that. :-)

I only
said I'd rather give money to Toyota than oil. As for being
ecologically responsible your view is typically shortsighted. As I
stated earlier, these cars are the beginning of such efforts on a
higher scale, just like recycling technology that is still struggling.
You pay for the "process" of that improvement. People who bought Honda
CRX's also paid for a process of technology they liked. People like you
just keep waiting for sun powered cars while others commit to becoming
part of the solution.

Part of what solution? Fuel usage or minimization of greenhouse gasses? I
can equal the fuel consumption of that Prius (driven normally) with a Mini
Cooper S by simply staying off the accelerator pedal (which, admittedly,
would be damned difficult in a Mini). Better yet, I can buy a Smart Car in
Cana-duh and beat your fuel consumption figures all to hell. And I can be
far greener than thou by riding a small-displacement motorcycle or riding a
bicycle. Or by living near my work and walking. So your chest-thumping
self-righteousness is really misplaced, Bubbles. You are not really part of
the solution, but if it makes you feel good, well then by all means go for
it. That's what hybrids are all about, after all. Nothing is quite as
important as satisfying one's own need for believing you're doing the "right
thing." Just don't expect to feel all warm and fuzzy when that mega-battery
is shot and someone has to decide how to dispose of 250lbs. of sulfated
lead.

Mooring block or lead for bullet casting. Yes!

PDW

In article et,
Maxprop wrote:


You might try Vermont--I hear they love Subarus up there, especially those
horrid things with the flat-four engines.

Umm, Max - every Subaru I've ever seen has had either a flat 4 or a
flat 6. Do they sell something else in the USA?

Vested interest - I have a Liberty AWD sedan (Legacy to you guys) and I
like it. It starts, runs, is comfortable and reasonably quiet. Mileage
is OK and at 230K, I expect to get at least another 100K out of it yet.
Never seen a Tribeca here but from the pix, looks a bit better than a
WRX. That's damning with faint praise :-)

PDW