Fortress anchor
 

Anybody using one? Comments?
I have the opportunity to receive a free one, either 7 or 10
lb..
Does the old axiom of 'go one size bigger' apply to these
lightweight anchors?

(30' boat , Chesapeake Bay)
--
Scott Vernon
Plowville Pa _/)__/)_/)_

Fortress anchor
 

Anybody using one?


Yep, got a nice new one on the Beneteau 35s5 along with a SS chromed
Danforth.

Comments?

You're stupid.


I have the opportunity to receive a free one, either 7 or 10
lb..

You need the 10, the 7 is too close to the mimimum...32 or 33 feet I
think. I carry the 15. By the way, you'll also need some anchor line
with that or it won't hold your boat in place.

Bwahahahahahahahahahhahahaha!


RB
35s5

Fortress anchor
 

"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
oups.com..
..

I have the opportunity to receive a free one, either 7
or 10
lb..

You need the 10, the 7 is too close to the mimimum...32 or
33 feet I
think. I carry the 15. By the way, you'll also need some
anchor line
with that or it won't hold your boat in place.


I thought I'd string together a bunch of shackles instead.

S

Fortress anchor
 

Anybody using one? Comments?
I have the opportunity to receive a free one, either 7 or 10
lb..



7lb is rated for aprox. 28-32 foot vessel, 10lbs is rated. for 33-38.
Factoring in disp. averages, you should accept the 10lb as a safe bet.


RB
35s5
NY

Fortress anchor
 

Id go with the 10lb'r Scotty.

Fortress anchor
 

I have one and it works great. Just make sure you get the mud palms
with it. You need them on the Chesapeake.

Fortress anchor
 

By the way the FX11 would be the correct size for your boat. If you
are buying make sure you know which model you are getting. Fortress
makes 2 lines. The original and a newer economy series.

Fortress anchor
 

Scotty wrote:
Anybody using one? Comments?

I used a FX-16 (10 lbs) on my Nonsuch 30, and now use a FX-23 (23 lbs)
on the cat. In both cases I considered them lunch hooks or second
anchors (primary is larger Delta), and would never, ever leave the
boat unattended or try to sleep while relying solely on a Fortress if
it was not set deeply in mud. The smaller one released completely
several time when we thought it was well and truly set, and failed to
reset because of debris caught in the flukes. We've had better
experiences with the larger Fortress, but it also has been fouled.

However, in New England we typically have hard, foul bottoms, and
reversing currents, and Danforth style anchors are not the best
choice. In the Chesapeake, we used the large Fortress several times
and always found that it had set deeply in the soft mud, where the
Delta would do the "slow drag." You can add mud palms set the flukes
for a mud angle, and get increased holding power. You should look on
the docks and ask folks that have them for their experiences.


I have the opportunity to receive a free one, either 7 or 10
lb..
Does the old axiom of 'go one size bigger' apply to these
lightweight anchors?

Even more so. Don't even consider the smaller F-11 (7 lbs). Even the
10 lb FX-16 is so light for its surface area that without chain it has
trouble finding the bottom if there's any current. If you really like
to sleep soundly, I'd say go up to the FX-23, which would almost be a
storm anchor for your boat, and yet can be easily handled.

The selection charts don't even pretend to suggest the proper anchor
for stronger winds; they are actually trying to show that the
expensive anchors are competitively priced. The Fortress chart, for
example, begins with the disclaimer: "Boat size recommendations are
for boats of average windage and proportions in 30 knots of wind,
average bottom conditions, and moderate protection from open seas.
Remember that the loads in 42 knots of wind are twice as much as in 30
knots."

Anyone who goes out for more than one night wants to know that their
gear is rated for more the 30 knots since on any summer night you can
get squalls with much stronger winds. This is a pet peeve of mine,
since most of the anchor holding tests are based on the charts, when a
better measure would be to compare anchors that are equally easy to
handle and set.

BTW, tests by an anchor manufacturer showed that the stock (the
cross-bar at the bottom) and thick chain actually inhibit quick
setting in certain muds. The made a mud anchor without the stock, but
it didn't look "nautical." When my Fortress stock got bent by another
boat, I just cut off 6 inches and have been happy with the result.
Also, since I use the Fortress primarily as a lunch hook/second
anchor, I reduced the chain to about 12 feet for easy handling. One
advantage of a lightly set up Fortress is that you can fish for the
bottom and you know instantly when its set; you can't do this with a
CQR and 50+ feet of chain!

Fortress anchor
 

The difference is slight. I would go for the bigger. We use them all the
time. They work great in mud/sand, less well in grass, rarely work in rocks.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Scotty" wrote in message
...
Anybody using one? Comments?
I have the opportunity to receive a free one, either 7 or 10
lb..
Does the old axiom of 'go one size bigger' apply to these
lightweight anchors?

(30' boat , Chesapeake Bay)
--
Scott Vernon
Plowville Pa _/)__/)_/)_

Fortress anchor
 

I am horrified at this. Would you go home and sleep easy knowing you had
left a 30' boat on a 10 lb anchor?
I have a 12' rowing dinghy and that has a 7lb anchor. My 22' open motor
boat has a 21lb anchor.
My Catalina 38 came from USA with a pathetically light and flimsy looking
Danforth type which I shall replace with a 35 or 38 lb Bruce anchor. The
Danforth is not like the Danforths we have in Europe. The shank is so flimsy
that if the tide turned after it had dug in I am certain it would bend.
You guys seem only to cater for having a lunch hook and never having to
anchor for real in a serious blow.


"Scotty" wrote in message
...
Anybody using one? Comments?
I have the opportunity to receive a free one, either 7 or 10
lb..
Does the old axiom of 'go one size bigger' apply to these
lightweight anchors?

(30' boat , Chesapeake Bay)
--
Scott Vernon
Plowville Pa _/)__/)_/)_

Fortress anchor
 

The only thing I have to anchor for is race committee duty but after
reading the testing reviews I'm confident that a Fortress FX11 will
hold my boat in almost anything I'm likely to encounter on the
Chesapeake in the summer. Thunderstorms are short.

Fortress anchor
 

The only thing I have to anchor for is race committee duty but after
reading the testing reviews I'm confident that a Fortress FX11 will
hold my boat in almost anything I'm likely to encounter on the
Chesapeake in the summer. Thunderstorms are short.


So's your attention span, dumb ass.
Thanks for a report on how you read about anchors...really useful.

What a total idiot Sloco remains. The poor jerk read something and that
gave him confidence in an anchor. Oh boy.


RB
35s5
NY

Fortress anchor
 

So's your attention span, dumb ass.
Thanks for a report on how you read about anchors...really useful.

Hey dummy what are you trying to say with that post?

What a total idiot Sloco remains. The poor jerk read something and
that
gave him confidence in an anchor. Oh boy.

Yes that's true. Pay attention. A few years ago a test was done
comparing various brands of anchors by using a tug boat to try to pull
out the anchors. More scientific than most tests since strain gauges
etc were used. The Fortress won the competition. That gives me
confidence for what I do. Quit posting about things you know nothing
about and which I can continue to make you look like a dimwit. What a
dope.

Fortress anchor
 

When
they pulled it up, they found that the very sharp point in one of the
flukes had stabbed a beer can, causing it to not set very well.


I read that as well. They were trying to pullout the anchor with a
Lincoln which exactly simmulates sea state during a force 9 blow!


RB
35s5
NY

Fortress anchor
 

giggle giggle...I still laugh when you thought that polished Stainless
Steel anchor was chrome!

Capt. Suzy
35s5
NY

Fortress anchor
 

...

Fortress anchor
 

NY

???


Joe's refering to me. I once asked about the SS anchors and refered to
it as chrome. Still not sure what's wrong with calling one shiny metal
the wrong name....but it made everyone happy I guess. I'm off to City
Island to play with my glass boat.


RB
35s5
NY

Fortress anchor
 

"Capt. Rob" wrote:

NY

???

Joe's refering to me. I once asked about the SS anchors and refered to
it as chrome. Still not sure what's wrong with calling one shiny metal
the wrong name....but it made everyone happy I guess.

Ahem, you just did it again, well on Mon. actually; "Yep, got a nice new
one on the Beneteau 35s5 along with a SS chromed Danforth."

Some can learn from their mistaks, others, well......

Cheers
Marty

Fortress anchor
 

Boy are you ever slow on the uptake Marty


Boy is he. I don't even have a Danforth.


RB
35s5
NY

Fortress anchor
 

As I wrote, I'm anchoring in the Chesapeake Bay, mostly mud
and some sand. Danforth types are good for this.
The Fortress is Aluminum. Therefore the ''weight rating'' is
not the same as for a steel anchor.

BTW, I've anchored in 50kt winds and I'm on the boat while
anchored.


Scotty


"Edgar" wrote in message
...
I am horrified at this. Would you go home and sleep easy
knowing you had
left a 30' boat on a 10 lb anchor?
I have a 12' rowing dinghy and that has a 7lb anchor. My
22' open motor
boat has a 21lb anchor.
My Catalina 38 came from USA with a pathetically light and
flimsy looking
Danforth type which I shall replace with a 35 or 38 lb
Bruce anchor. The
Danforth is not like the Danforths we have in Europe. The
shank is so flimsy
that if the tide turned after it had dug in I am certain
it would bend.
You guys seem only to cater for having a lunch hook and
never having to
anchor for real in a serious blow.


"Scotty" wrote in message
...
Anybody using one? Comments?
I have the opportunity to receive a free one, either 7
or 10
lb..
Does the old axiom of 'go one size bigger' apply to
these
lightweight anchors?

(30' boat , Chesapeake Bay)
--
Scott Vernon
Plowville Pa _/)__/)_/)_

Fortress anchor
 

I have decided to not get the Fortress and stick with my 3
Danforths with16' of 3/8'' chain.


Okay, but don't blame Sloco if a tug boat snares you and pulls up your
anchor!!!!


RB
35s5
NY

Fortress anchor
 

I have decided to not get the Fortress and stick with my 3
Danforths with16' of 3/8'' chain.

Scotty




"Jeff" wrote in message
...
Scotty wrote:
Anybody using one? Comments?

I used a FX-16 (10 lbs) on my Nonsuch 30, and now use a
FX-23 (23 lbs)
on the cat. In both cases I considered them lunch hooks
or second
anchors (primary is larger Delta), and would never, ever
leave the
boat unattended or try to sleep while relying solely on a
Fortress if
it was not set deeply in mud. The smaller one released
completely
several time when we thought it was well and truly set,
and failed to
reset because of debris caught in the flukes. We've had
better
experiences with the larger Fortress, but it also has been
fouled.

However, in New England we typically have hard, foul
bottoms, and
reversing currents, and Danforth style anchors are not the
best
choice. In the Chesapeake, we used the large Fortress
several times
and always found that it had set deeply in the soft mud,
where the
Delta would do the "slow drag." You can add mud palms set
the flukes
for a mud angle, and get increased holding power. You
should look on
the docks and ask folks that have them for their
experiences.


I have the opportunity to receive a free one, either 7
or 10
lb..
Does the old axiom of 'go one size bigger' apply to
these
lightweight anchors?

Even more so. Don't even consider the smaller F-11 (7
lbs). Even the
10 lb FX-16 is so light for its surface area that without
chain it has
trouble finding the bottom if there's any current. If you
really like
to sleep soundly, I'd say go up to the FX-23, which would
almost be a
storm anchor for your boat, and yet can be easily handled.

The selection charts don't even pretend to suggest the
proper anchor
for stronger winds; they are actually trying to show that
the
expensive anchors are competitively priced. The Fortress
chart, for
example, begins with the disclaimer: "Boat size
recommendations are
for boats of average windage and proportions in 30 knots
of wind,
average bottom conditions, and moderate protection from
open seas.
Remember that the loads in 42 knots of wind are twice as
much as in 30
knots."

Anyone who goes out for more than one night wants to know
that their
gear is rated for more the 30 knots since on any summer
night you can
get squalls with much stronger winds. This is a pet peeve
of mine,
since most of the anchor holding tests are based on the
charts, when a
better measure would be to compare anchors that are
equally easy to
handle and set.

BTW, tests by an anchor manufacturer showed that the stock
(the
cross-bar at the bottom) and thick chain actually inhibit
quick
setting in certain muds. The made a mud anchor without
the stock, but
it didn't look "nautical." When my Fortress stock got
bent by another
boat, I just cut off 6 inches and have been happy with the
result.
Also, since I use the Fortress primarily as a lunch
hook/second
anchor, I reduced the chain to about 12 feet for easy
handling. One
advantage of a lightly set up Fortress is that you can
fish for the
bottom and you know instantly when its set; you can't do
this with a
CQR and 50+ feet of chain!

Fortress anchor
 

Fair enough, but I'd bet if you replaced one of those with a FX-16
you'd get used to saving about 5 pounds every time you'd haul.


Scotty wrote:
I have decided to not get the Fortress and stick with my 3
Danforths with16' of 3/8'' chain.

Scotty

Fortress anchor
 

"Capt. Rob" wrote:

Boy are you ever slow on the uptake Marty

Boy is he. I don't even have a Danforth.

And that would be why you wrote ""Yep, got a nice new one on the
Beneteau 35s5 along with a SS chromed Danforth.", perhaps "Danforth" was
a typo?

Cheers
Marty

Fortress anchor
 

"Martin Baxter" wrote in message
...
"Capt. Rob" wrote:

Boy are you ever slow on the uptake Marty

Boy is he. I don't even have a Danforth.

And that would be why you wrote ""Yep, got a nice new one
on the
Beneteau 35s5 along with a SS chromed Danforth.", perhaps
"Danforth" was
a typo?


Marty, look up the terms; 'pathological liar', 'habitual
liar', 'chronic liar', 'big fat liar', 'sociopath, and
'loser'.

This should help answer your question.

Scotty

Fortress anchor
 

Scotty wrote:


Marty, look up the terms; 'pathological liar', 'habitual
liar', 'chronic liar', 'big fat liar', 'sociopath, and
'loser'.

This should help answer your question.

Ok, how come it says "see Bob****"?

Cheers
Marty

Fortress anchor
 

And that would be why you wrote ""Yep, got a nice new one on the
Beneteau 35s5 along with a SS chromed Danforth.", perhaps "Danforth"
was
a typo?


Yeah, it's called bull****, Martin. Some people, like you and Scotty
potty, don't know the differnence and are easily frustrated by even the
obvious trolls. Kill the light, Hyme.

RB
35s5
NY

Fortress anchor
 

"Capt. Rob" wrote:


Yeah, it's called bull****, Martin. Some people, like you and Scotty
potty, don't know the differnence and are easily frustrated by even the
obvious trolls. Kill the light, Hyme.

Frustrated? Oh dear me, no Booby, I am however enjoying watching you
sink to lower and more juvenile levels with every post.

Cheers
Marty

Fortress anchor
 

On Thu, 04 May 2006 10:51:20 -0400, Martin Baxter
wrote:


Frustrated? Oh dear me, no Booby, I am however enjoying watching you
sink to lower and more juvenile levels with every post.

Cheers
Marty

Sounds like quite a hobby. You must lead a fascinating life.

Fortress anchor
 

Oh dear me, no Booby, I am however enjoying watching you
sink to lower and more juvenile levels with every post.



Golly, Martin, where have you been. A little anchor fib is hardly
"more" juvelile for me! But, oh dear me and good heavens, you do sound
a trifle frustrated. Best you sit down and relax somewhere quiet.

RB
35s5
NY