How many of you?
 

Have actually sailed on a tall ship?
Abby

How many of you?
 

I've sailed on the Elissa out of Galveston.
http://ahoy.tk-jk.net/MoreImages7/Fi...ShipElissa.jpg
She's a fine steel hull BW

Joe

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I've toured many tall ships, but never sailed on one that
was ship rigged, with a square style spar. I do enjoy
studying the subject--it my favorite historical period.

I have sailed on a number of large schooners--to 138 feet.

The dynamic is quite different compared to smaller boats
with smaller crews.

Most of Tall Ships are so expensive they pay their crews
little--food, sea-time and pitantance wages, and bill every
potential passenger whatever they can get--just to meet
expenses, and still find themselves in the red.

Infortunately, you need a 500 ton license or greater to be
a deck officer. Most Captains and Mates hold 1600 ton
licenses. I'm not sure why that is the criteria given that much
of the sea time these crew have is on ferry's and tugs--hardly
the sort of quality sea-time one would want on a tall ship.

But there it is. Want a ride? Pay for it and be treated like
a swab.



"G&G" wrote \
Have actually sailed on a tall ship?
Abby

How many of you?
 

I served three years as a member of the crew on the Elissa in Galveston
(built in Aberdeen Scotland in 1877; see: http://www.tsm-elissa.org/).
As a crew member, I sailed on her several times. Working the sails
while standing on the foot rope beneath the topgallant yardarm while
sailing in rather brisk winds was an unforgettable experience, and the
view was spectacular.

Jim


G&G wrote:
Have actually sailed on a tall ship?
Abby

How many of you?
 

I served several years on the crew of the Elissa and sailed on her a
number of times. The Elissa is a barque built in 1877 in Aberdeen
Scotland, now docked in Galveston. (See:
http://www.tsm-elissa.org/elissa-main.htm.)

Working the sails 100 feet above the water while standing on a footrope
extending beneath the top gallant yardarm, while under sail in rather
brisk winds, was an unforgetable experience, and the views were spectacular.

Jim Cate


G&G wrote:

Have actually sailed on a tall ship?
Abby

How many of you?
 

Been on, but never sailed on.

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"Bart Senior" .@. wrote in message ...
I've toured many tall ships, but never sailed on one that
was ship rigged, with a square style spar. I do enjoy
studying the subject--it my favorite historical period.

I have sailed on a number of large schooners--to 138 feet.

The dynamic is quite different compared to smaller boats
with smaller crews.

Most of Tall Ships are so expensive they pay their crews
little--food, sea-time and pitantance wages, and bill every
potential passenger whatever they can get--just to meet
expenses, and still find themselves in the red.

Infortunately, you need a 500 ton license or greater to be
a deck officer. Most Captains and Mates hold 1600 ton
licenses. I'm not sure why that is the criteria given that much
of the sea time these crew have is on ferry's and tugs--hardly
the sort of quality sea-time one would want on a tall ship.

But there it is. Want a ride? Pay for it and be treated like
a swab.



"G&G" wrote \
Have actually sailed on a tall ship?
Abby

How many of you?
 

"G&G" wrote:
Have actually sailed on a tall ship?
Abby

I've been on way too short of sails on Bounty, Alexandria,
and Gizella.

Seahag

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Been on, but never sailed on.

Me too... The Star of India. One of the oldest.

Bill

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Hey, I almost got run over by that boat in San Diego... long story involving
a skipper who was listening to "voices" in his head.

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wrote in message
ups.com...

Been on, but never sailed on.

Me too... The Star of India. One of the oldest.

Bill

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...got run over by that boat in San Diego...

Yep... that is where the Star of India is berthed and
has been for many years.

...long story involving a skipper who was...

Okay Jonathan... let's hear your "sea story".

Bill

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Well, a friend of mine in college wanted me to go sailing with him and a
friend of his on the 4th of July, 1976. The Star was supposed to sail out of
the SD harbor, go down the coast a ways, then turn around and come back in,
being part of a flotilla for the 4th. This is all at the last minute mind
you.

So, we go down to the water, but the only boat we can get is a 14'
something. It sailed, it sailed slowly, and it leaked, but it came with a
nice bucket. I didn't know the guy who rented the boat, but he supposedly
knew how to sail. We head for Pt. Loma to get a nice view, and get there
just as the Star exits the harbor. There are *big* waves out there, and
we're really getting a lot of water in the boat. Finally, my friend Todd and
I convince the other guy to turn it around and head in.

Just in time, as the Star and a really large number of other boats,
including a good-size CG ship are coming in behind us. Ok, so I figure worst
case, we have stand-on status but it might get a bit rough with all the
wakes as they pass us. I mean they're not going to run us over right. Of
course, we aren't thinking about size of ship, where they can and can't go,
and all the rest of the things that would make perfect sense. :-)

So, the boats are really getting thick around us, and we realize that many
of the skippers of the large power boats either are too drunk to see us or
don't give a damn. We're zigzaging in and out, trying not get run over. We
just barely made it out of the way of the CG ship and the Star which was
following her.

Apparently, there's a photographer in the air and the next day in the Union
is a beautiful picture of all the boats, along with one that is heading away
from the pack at a 90 deg angle. That was us. :-)

Also, when we finally get out of harms way and off to the side, Todd's
*friend* starts talking but isn't making any sense. Then, finally he tells
Todd, you need to take over, the voices are telling me to do bad things.

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wrote in message
oups.com...

...got run over by that boat in San Diego...

Yep... that is where the Star of India is berthed and
has been for many years.

...long story involving a skipper who was...

Okay Jonathan... let's hear your "sea story".

Bill

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Isn't that down in San Diego? I've been on that
one. Very pretty. I enjoyed touring it. I thought
it stayed in it's berth. When were you on it under
sail? Do they still take her out?

wrote

Been on, but never sailed on.

Me too... The Star of India. One of the oldest.

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"G&G" wrote
Have actually sailed on a tall ship?
Abby


Pride of Baltimore, Maryland Dove, Pride 2.


Bart Senior wrote:
I've toured many tall ships, but never sailed on one that
was ship rigged, with a square style spar. I do enjoy
studying the subject--it my favorite historical period.


Do you have a copy of Darcy Lever's "Young Sea Officer's
Sheet Anchor?" Great book, explains many aspects of sailing
a square rig as well as all the parts & terminology. It even
tells how to set up masts & tune the rig.


I have sailed on a number of large schooners--to 138 feet.


I'd call that a tall ship. Gaff riggers are a different animal.

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

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"DSK" wrote
Do you have a copy of Darcy Lever's "Young Sea Officer's Sheet Anchor?"
Great book, explains many aspects of sailing a square rig as well as all
the parts & terminology. It even tells how to set up masts & tune the rig.

I have it. I should pull it out and re-read it. As I recall is
was a bit dry reading. It is not up to modern standards on
illustration, writing style, and terminology. I found some parts
difficult to understand because I was unfamiliar with some of
the arcane terminology.

How many of you?
 

Well, what's the verdict? How many of us are "real sailors"

In my case, in addition to sailing on the 1877 tall ship Elissa, I have
had the high honor of sailing the new MacGregor 26M. - Not many on this
ng have actually experienced that privilege, and you can add that to our
list of accomplishments.

Jim




G&G wrote:

Have actually sailed on a tall ship?
Abby

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Yes, not many real sailors have "experienced" the Mac26M. :-)

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"Jim Cate" wrote in message
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Well, what's the verdict? How many of us are "real sailors"

In my case, in addition to sailing on the 1877 tall ship Elissa, I have
had the high honor of sailing the new MacGregor 26M. - Not many on this ng
have actually experienced that privilege, and you can add that to our list
of accomplishments.

Jim




G&G wrote:

Have actually sailed on a tall ship?
Abby

How many of you?
 

Compared with the Elissa, the Mac 26M seems more comfortable under sail.
On the Elissa, for example, we had to climb 100 feet up the masts to
adjust the topgallant, and it gets pretty wild up there when the wind
picks up, Jon. (Don't know whether you have ever climbed the rigging on
a tall rigger under sail or not. - Have you?) By contrast, on my Mac,
the lines are led aft to the cockpit, so you don't have to climb the
mast at all. Also, the Elissa (141-ft waterline) had a rather pronounced
pitching motion under sail that got on your nerves after a few hours.
The Mac, of course, can either sail, or plane at 14-16 knots over most
waters, which I find more comfortable.

However, the Elissa has put in many more miles at sea than my boat or
most modern vessels, since it was under sail, and later, power, for a
period of 100+ years, crossing the Atlantic many times. It was selected
for the maritime museum in Galveston because it was a part of
Galveston's history, bringing cargo there from South America and England
in the 1800's.

Jim




Capt. JG wrote:

Yes, not many real sailors have "experienced" the Mac26M. :-)

How many of you?
 

I don't believe comfort under sail is the criteria for whether or not one is
a real sailor.

I'm shocked that you've never climbed the rigging on your Mac.

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"Jim Cate" wrote in message
...
Compared with the Elissa, the Mac 26M seems more comfortable under sail.
On the Elissa, for example, we had to climb 100 feet up the masts to
adjust the topgallant, and it gets pretty wild up there when the wind
picks up, Jon. (Don't know whether you have ever climbed the rigging on a
tall rigger under sail or not. - Have you?) By contrast, on my Mac, the
lines are led aft to the cockpit, so you don't have to climb the mast at
all. Also, the Elissa (141-ft waterline) had a rather pronounced pitching
motion under sail that got on your nerves after a few hours. The Mac, of
course, can either sail, or plane at 14-16 knots over most waters, which
I find more comfortable.

However, the Elissa has put in many more miles at sea than my boat or most
modern vessels, since it was under sail, and later, power, for a period of
100+ years, crossing the Atlantic many times. It was selected for the
maritime museum in Galveston because it was a part of Galveston's history,
bringing cargo there from South America and England in the 1800's.

Jim




Capt. JG wrote:

Yes, not many real sailors have "experienced" the Mac26M. :-)

How many of you?
 

My Barcolounger is more comfy, and more seaworthy than a
Mac26X, plus there's no rigging to climb.

SBV


"Capt. JG" wrote in message
...
I don't believe comfort under sail is the criteria for
whether or not one is
a real sailor.

I'm shocked that you've never climbed the rigging on your
Mac.

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"Jim Cate" wrote in message
...
Compared with the Elissa, the Mac 26M seems more
comfortable under sail.
On the Elissa, for example, we had to climb 100 feet up
the masts to
adjust the topgallant, and it gets pretty wild up there
when the wind
picks up, Jon. (Don't know whether you have ever
climbed the rigging on a
tall rigger under sail or not. - Have you?) By contrast,
on my Mac, the
lines are led aft to the cockpit, so you don't have to
climb the mast at
all. Also, the Elissa (141-ft waterline) had a rather
pronounced pitching
motion under sail that got on your nerves after a few
hours. The Mac, of
course, can either sail, or plane at 14-16 knots over
most waters, which
I find more comfortable.

However, the Elissa has put in many more miles at sea
than my boat or most
modern vessels, since it was under sail, and later,
power, for a period of
100+ years, crossing the Atlantic many times. It was
selected for the
maritime museum in Galveston because it was a part of
Galveston's history,
bringing cargo there from South America and England in
the 1800's.

Jim




Capt. JG wrote:

Yes, not many real sailors have "experienced" the
Mac26M. :-)

How many of you?
 

Scotty wrote:
My Barcolounger is more comfy, and more seaworthy than a
Mac26X, plus there's no rigging to climb.


It's more traditional looking too.

DSK

How many of you?
 

Do you have a copy of Darcy Lever's "Young Sea Officer's Sheet Anchor?"

Bart Senior wrote:
I have it. I should pull it out and re-read it. As I recall is
was a bit dry reading.

True. I cna't say I have ever sat down and read thru it,
cover-to-cover. But I have read quite a bit of it, studied
some of the details for rigging... for example he talks
about how to rig bowlines and says that they are passing out
of style, but not why. How to mouse a keg for use as a
mooring ball, etc etc. And the maneuvers are great... for
example I believe one of your Seamanship Question series you
asked a while back was the difference between box-hauling
and club-hauling. I didn't know the answer but knew exactly
where to look it up!



.... It is not up to modern standards on
illustration, writing style, and terminology. I found some parts
difficult to understand because I was unfamiliar with some of
the arcane terminology.


Sure. But you can at least get the idea of what they are
trying to accomplish, since the basics of getting a sail to
stand up have not changed. And the drawings are still
interesting.

DSK

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DSK wrote:

Scotty wrote:
My Barcolounger is more comfy, and more seaworthy than a
Mac26X, plus there's no rigging to climb.


It's more traditional looking too.


More seaworthy too!

Cheers
Marty

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"Martin Baxter" wrote in message
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DSK wrote:

Scotty wrote:
My Barcolounger is more comfy, and more seaworthy than
a
Mac26X, plus there's no rigging to climb.


It's more traditional looking too.


More seaworthy too!


Yes Marty, that is why I wrote ''more seaworthy'' in my
post.

Scotty

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I heard that Barcoloungers are more comfortable and more seaworthy than
Mac26s. Is that true?

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"Scotty" wrote in message
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"Martin Baxter" wrote in message
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DSK wrote:

Scotty wrote:
My Barcolounger is more comfy, and more seaworthy than
a
Mac26X, plus there's no rigging to climb.


It's more traditional looking too.


More seaworthy too!


Yes Marty, that is why I wrote ''more seaworthy'' in my
post.

Scotty

How many of you?
 

"Scotty" wrote in message
...

"Martin Baxter" wrote in message
...
DSK wrote:

Scotty wrote:
My Barcolounger is more comfy, and more seaworthy than
a
Mac26X, plus there's no rigging to climb.


It's more traditional looking too.


More seaworthy too!


Yes Marty, that is why I wrote ''more seaworthy'' in my
post.

Redundancy tends to be rather repetitious.

Max

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"Capt. JG" wrote in message
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"Scotty" wrote in message
...

"Martin Baxter" wrote in message
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DSK wrote:

Scotty wrote:
My Barcolounger is more comfy, and more seaworthy than
a
Mac26X, plus there's no rigging to climb.


It's more traditional looking too.


More seaworthy too!


Yes Marty, that is why I wrote ''more seaworthy'' in my
post.

I heard that Barcoloungers are more comfortable and more seaworthy than
Mac26s. Is that true?

Not really, but they are more seaworthy.

Max

How many of you?
 

Redundancy tends to be rather repetitious.

Scotty

"Maxprop" wrote in message
ink.net...

"Scotty" wrote in message
...

"Martin Baxter" wrote in message
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DSK wrote:

Scotty wrote:
My Barcolounger is more comfy, and more seaworthy
than
a
Mac26X, plus there's no rigging to climb.


It's more traditional looking too.


More seaworthy too!


Yes Marty, that is why I wrote ''more seaworthy'' in my
post.

Redundancy tends to be rather repetitious.

Max

How many of you?
 

Scotty wrote:

"Martin Baxter" wrote in message
...
DSK wrote:

Scotty wrote:
My Barcolounger is more comfy, and more seaworthy than
a
Mac26X, plus there's no rigging to climb.


It's more traditional looking too.


More seaworthy too!

Yes Marty, that is why I wrote ''more seaworthy'' in my
post.

Scotty

Sorry Scotty, had some some sort of brain fart, guess I'll have to take
that Jax speed reading course again.

Cheers
Marty

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Scotty wrote:
Redundancy tends to be rather repetitious.


Not only that, but it's like saying the same thing over &
over. And it also somewhat like saying the same thing over &
over, too.

DSK

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Who's saying the same thing over and over? I mean who is saying the same
thing over and over. Sorry.

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"DSK" wrote in message
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Scotty wrote:
Redundancy tends to be rather repetitious.


Not only that, but it's like saying the same thing over & over. And it
also somewhat like saying the same thing over & over, too.

DSK

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it's like dejavu, all over again.

SBV

"DSK" wrote in message
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Scotty wrote:
Redundancy tends to be rather repetitious.


Not only that, but it's like saying the same thing over &
over. And it also somewhat like saying the same thing over
&
over, too.

DSK

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"Scotty" wrote in message
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"Maxprop" wrote in message
ink.net...

"Scotty" wrote in message
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"Martin Baxter" wrote in message
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DSK wrote:

Scotty wrote:
My Barcolounger is more comfy, and more seaworthy
than
a
Mac26X, plus there's no rigging to climb.


It's more traditional looking too.


More seaworthy too!


Yes Marty, that is why I wrote ''more seaworthy'' in my
post.

Redundancy tends to be rather repetitious.

Redundancy tends to be rather repetitious.

D'ya think so? But what do you think?

Max

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"Scotty" wrote in message
...
"DSK" wrote in message
...
Scotty wrote:
Redundancy tends to be rather repetitious.


Not only that, but it's like saying the same thing over &
over. And it also somewhat like saying the same thing over
&
over, too.

it's like dejavu, all over again.

Yogi was repetitiously redundant, too.

Max