I never said whether I believe global warming exists or not, furthermore
whether I believe it or not ,means nothing. I can show data from the ERB and
GOES satellites that clearly show solar irradiance has increased in step
with increases in measured surface temperatures. Mars has shown the same
correlated temperature rise. If you those facts are causal rather than just
correlated then what exactly do you propose to do to negate the effects of
the sun's increased output? I'm all ears for your suggestions. Should we
stop driving cars, using hairspray and plant more trees?


Lloyd





"Capt. JG" wrote in message
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Well, it's pretty clear that you don't believe that global warming is
happening and that we can do something about it. So, good for you. Perhaps
you should post a few dozen more links... like I'm going to take the time
out of my busy schedule! Bwahahahahaaaaa

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"Lloyd Bonafide" wrote in message
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What about this:

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/11...ts_thickening/

In the northern hemisphere where the "warming" is supposed to be the
most.

But then:

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...0130074839.htm

And growing glaciers:

http://www.awra.org/state/alaska/nre.../aknr0301.html

Now I'm really, really worried:

http://www.iceagenow.com/Growing_Glaciers.htm

Now sea ice is declining:

http://nsidc.org/news/press/20050928...scontinue.html

When ice melts in a full glass does the glass overflow?

Melting sea ice actually causes a drop in sea level.

Lloyd


"Capt. JG" wrote in message
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Yes, thanks for point that out.

"In the past 10 years, the warmer temperatures over the eastern part of
the Antarctic ice sheet have allowed that air to gather more moisture.
Snow has been falling and causing part of the ice sheet to thicken
slowing the rise of the sea level by a tiny amount."

Operative word, "tiny."

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"Lloyd Bonafide" wrote in message
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Yeah, some evidence:

http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/wireStory?id=776766

Lloyd



"Capt. JG" wrote in message
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And plenty of evidence of major melting going on.. which is too bad.

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"Bart Senior" .@. wrote in message
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It seems an undersea volcano caused the Larsen B
ice shelf to collaspe. I didn't see this in the news.
*****************************************

Evidence of the volcano came as an unintended bonus
from a research plan to investigate why a massive ice
sheet, known as the Larsen B, collapsed and broke up
several years ago.

Scientists hope to understand whether such a collapse is
unique or part of a cycle that extends over hundreds of
thousands of years.

http://www.nsf.gov/news/news_summ.js...0385&from=news

You're a lot more than all ears. But, being a gentleman I won't say what
else is the larger contribution.

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"Lloyd Bonafide" wrote in message
...
I never said whether I believe global warming exists or not, furthermore
whether I believe it or not ,means nothing. I can show data from the ERB
and GOES satellites that clearly show solar irradiance has increased in
step with increases in measured surface temperatures. Mars has shown the
same correlated temperature rise. If you those facts are causal rather
than just correlated then what exactly do you propose to do to negate the
effects of the sun's increased output? I'm all ears for your suggestions.
Should we stop driving cars, using hairspray and plant more trees?


Lloyd





"Capt. JG" wrote in message
...
Well, it's pretty clear that you don't believe that global warming is
happening and that we can do something about it. So, good for you.
Perhaps you should post a few dozen more links... like I'm going to take
the time out of my busy schedule! Bwahahahahaaaaa

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Lloyd Bonafide" wrote in message
...
What about this:

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/11...ts_thickening/

In the northern hemisphere where the "warming" is supposed to be the
most.

But then:

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...0130074839.htm

And growing glaciers:

http://www.awra.org/state/alaska/nre.../aknr0301.html

Now I'm really, really worried:

http://www.iceagenow.com/Growing_Glaciers.htm

Now sea ice is declining:

http://nsidc.org/news/press/20050928...scontinue.html

When ice melts in a full glass does the glass overflow?

Melting sea ice actually causes a drop in sea level.

Lloyd


"Capt. JG" wrote in message
...
Yes, thanks for point that out.

"In the past 10 years, the warmer temperatures over the eastern part of
the Antarctic ice sheet have allowed that air to gather more moisture.
Snow has been falling and causing part of the ice sheet to thicken
slowing the rise of the sea level by a tiny amount."

Operative word, "tiny."

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Lloyd Bonafide" wrote in message
...
Yeah, some evidence:

http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/wireStory?id=776766

Lloyd



"Capt. JG" wrote in message
...
And plenty of evidence of major melting going on.. which is too bad.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Bart Senior" .@. wrote in message
...
It seems an undersea volcano caused the Larsen B
ice shelf to collaspe. I didn't see this in the news.
*****************************************

Evidence of the volcano came as an unintended bonus
from a research plan to investigate why a massive ice
sheet, known as the Larsen B, collapsed and broke up
several years ago.

Scientists hope to understand whether such a collapse is
unique or part of a cycle that extends over hundreds of
thousands of years.

http://www.nsf.gov/news/news_summ.js...0385&from=news

"Capt. JG" wrote in message
...
You're a lot more than all ears. But, being a gentleman I won't say what
else is the larger contribution.

A real gentleman would have carried on the conversation and answered the
question rather than allude to a personal attack. Any discussion with you
(by anyone) winds up with you flinging personal attacks. Is that the
hallmark of a gentlemen?

I have not attacked you in any way. I've presented factual scientific
evidence, for both sides no less, and somehow you feel threatened.

Life is tough enough already, why make it tougher?


Lloyd

"Lloyd Bonafide" wrote in message
. ..

"Capt. JG" wrote in message
...
You're a lot more than all ears. But, being a gentleman I won't say what
else is the larger contribution.

A real gentleman would have carried on the conversation and answered the
question rather than allude to a personal attack. Any discussion with you
(by anyone) winds up with you flinging personal attacks. Is that the
hallmark of a gentlemen?

It's the hallmark of the environmental wackos who have nothing but their
dogma as a counterpose to verifiable scientific research that refutes, or
fails to support, their claims.

I have not attacked you in any way. I've presented factual scientific
evidence, for both sides no less, and somehow you feel threatened.

Life is tough enough already, why make it tougher?

When presented with scientific fact, they respond pretty much as Jon has.
Ad hominem attacks are rampant in any discussion of global warming, thanks
to a lack of credible evidence to support their claims.


Max

I haven't attacked anyone, but it sure seems like you are. You just called
me an environmentalist wacko, which I'm not.

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"Maxprop" wrote in message
ink.net...

"Lloyd Bonafide" wrote in message
. ..

"Capt. JG" wrote in message
...
You're a lot more than all ears. But, being a gentleman I won't say what
else is the larger contribution.

A real gentleman would have carried on the conversation and answered the
question rather than allude to a personal attack. Any discussion with you
(by anyone) winds up with you flinging personal attacks. Is that the
hallmark of a gentlemen?

It's the hallmark of the environmental wackos who have nothing but their
dogma as a counterpose to verifiable scientific research that refutes, or
fails to support, their claims.

I have not attacked you in any way. I've presented factual scientific
evidence, for both sides no less, and somehow you feel threatened.

Life is tough enough already, why make it tougher?

When presented with scientific fact, they respond pretty much as Jon has.
Ad hominem attacks are rampant in any discussion of global warming, thanks
to a lack of credible evidence to support their claims.


Max