It seems an undersea volcano caused the Larsen B
ice shelf to collaspe. I didn't see this in the news.
*****************************************

Evidence of the volcano came as an unintended bonus
from a research plan to investigate why a massive ice
sheet, known as the Larsen B, collapsed and broke up
several years ago.

Scientists hope to understand whether such a collapse is
unique or part of a cycle that extends over hundreds of
thousands of years.

http://www.nsf.gov/news/news_summ.js...0385&from=news

And plenty of evidence of major melting going on.. which is too bad.

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"Bart Senior" .@. wrote in message ...
It seems an undersea volcano caused the Larsen B
ice shelf to collaspe. I didn't see this in the news.
*****************************************

Evidence of the volcano came as an unintended bonus
from a research plan to investigate why a massive ice
sheet, known as the Larsen B, collapsed and broke up
several years ago.

Scientists hope to understand whether such a collapse is
unique or part of a cycle that extends over hundreds of
thousands of years.

http://www.nsf.gov/news/news_summ.js...0385&from=news

Yeah, some evidence:

http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/wireStory?id=776766

Lloyd



"Capt. JG" wrote in message
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And plenty of evidence of major melting going on.. which is too bad.

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www.sailnow.com

"Bart Senior" .@. wrote in message ...
It seems an undersea volcano caused the Larsen B
ice shelf to collaspe. I didn't see this in the news.
*****************************************

Evidence of the volcano came as an unintended bonus
from a research plan to investigate why a massive ice
sheet, known as the Larsen B, collapsed and broke up
several years ago.

Scientists hope to understand whether such a collapse is
unique or part of a cycle that extends over hundreds of
thousands of years.

http://www.nsf.gov/news/news_summ.js...0385&from=news

Yes, thanks for point that out.

"In the past 10 years, the warmer temperatures over the eastern part of the
Antarctic ice sheet have allowed that air to gather more moisture. Snow has
been falling and causing part of the ice sheet to thicken slowing the rise
of the sea level by a tiny amount."

Operative word, "tiny."

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"Lloyd Bonafide" wrote in message
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Yeah, some evidence:

http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/wireStory?id=776766

Lloyd



"Capt. JG" wrote in message
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And plenty of evidence of major melting going on.. which is too bad.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Bart Senior" .@. wrote in message ...
It seems an undersea volcano caused the Larsen B
ice shelf to collaspe. I didn't see this in the news.
*****************************************

Evidence of the volcano came as an unintended bonus
from a research plan to investigate why a massive ice
sheet, known as the Larsen B, collapsed and broke up
several years ago.

Scientists hope to understand whether such a collapse is
unique or part of a cycle that extends over hundreds of
thousands of years.

http://www.nsf.gov/news/news_summ.js...0385&from=news

What about this:

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/11...ts_thickening/

In the northern hemisphere where the "warming" is supposed to be the most.

But then:

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...0130074839.htm

And growing glaciers:

http://www.awra.org/state/alaska/nre.../aknr0301.html

Now I'm really, really worried:

http://www.iceagenow.com/Growing_Glaciers.htm

Now sea ice is declining:

http://nsidc.org/news/press/20050928...scontinue.html

When ice melts in a full glass does the glass overflow?

Melting sea ice actually causes a drop in sea level.

Lloyd


"Capt. JG" wrote in message
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Yes, thanks for point that out.

"In the past 10 years, the warmer temperatures over the eastern part of
the Antarctic ice sheet have allowed that air to gather more moisture.
Snow has been falling and causing part of the ice sheet to thicken slowing
the rise of the sea level by a tiny amount."

Operative word, "tiny."

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Lloyd Bonafide" wrote in message
...
Yeah, some evidence:

http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/wireStory?id=776766

Lloyd



"Capt. JG" wrote in message
...
And plenty of evidence of major melting going on.. which is too bad.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Bart Senior" .@. wrote in message ...
It seems an undersea volcano caused the Larsen B
ice shelf to collaspe. I didn't see this in the news.
*****************************************

Evidence of the volcano came as an unintended bonus
from a research plan to investigate why a massive ice
sheet, known as the Larsen B, collapsed and broke up
several years ago.

Scientists hope to understand whether such a collapse is
unique or part of a cycle that extends over hundreds of
thousands of years.

http://www.nsf.gov/news/news_summ.js...0385&from=news

Well, it's pretty clear that you don't believe that global warming is
happening and that we can do something about it. So, good for you. Perhaps
you should post a few dozen more links... like I'm going to take the time
out of my busy schedule! Bwahahahahaaaaa

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"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Lloyd Bonafide" wrote in message
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What about this:

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/11...ts_thickening/

In the northern hemisphere where the "warming" is supposed to be the most.

But then:

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...0130074839.htm

And growing glaciers:

http://www.awra.org/state/alaska/nre.../aknr0301.html

Now I'm really, really worried:

http://www.iceagenow.com/Growing_Glaciers.htm

Now sea ice is declining:

http://nsidc.org/news/press/20050928...scontinue.html

When ice melts in a full glass does the glass overflow?

Melting sea ice actually causes a drop in sea level.

Lloyd


"Capt. JG" wrote in message
...
Yes, thanks for point that out.

"In the past 10 years, the warmer temperatures over the eastern part of
the Antarctic ice sheet have allowed that air to gather more moisture.
Snow has been falling and causing part of the ice sheet to thicken
slowing the rise of the sea level by a tiny amount."

Operative word, "tiny."

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Lloyd Bonafide" wrote in message
...
Yeah, some evidence:

http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/wireStory?id=776766

Lloyd



"Capt. JG" wrote in message
...
And plenty of evidence of major melting going on.. which is too bad.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Bart Senior" .@. wrote in message
...
It seems an undersea volcano caused the Larsen B
ice shelf to collaspe. I didn't see this in the news.
*****************************************

Evidence of the volcano came as an unintended bonus
from a research plan to investigate why a massive ice
sheet, known as the Larsen B, collapsed and broke up
several years ago.

Scientists hope to understand whether such a collapse is
unique or part of a cycle that extends over hundreds of
thousands of years.

http://www.nsf.gov/news/news_summ.js...0385&from=news

I never said whether I believe global warming exists or not, furthermore
whether I believe it or not ,means nothing. I can show data from the ERB and
GOES satellites that clearly show solar irradiance has increased in step
with increases in measured surface temperatures. Mars has shown the same
correlated temperature rise. If you those facts are causal rather than just
correlated then what exactly do you propose to do to negate the effects of
the sun's increased output? I'm all ears for your suggestions. Should we
stop driving cars, using hairspray and plant more trees?


Lloyd





"Capt. JG" wrote in message
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Well, it's pretty clear that you don't believe that global warming is
happening and that we can do something about it. So, good for you. Perhaps
you should post a few dozen more links... like I'm going to take the time
out of my busy schedule! Bwahahahahaaaaa

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Lloyd Bonafide" wrote in message
...
What about this:

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/11...ts_thickening/

In the northern hemisphere where the "warming" is supposed to be the
most.

But then:

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...0130074839.htm

And growing glaciers:

http://www.awra.org/state/alaska/nre.../aknr0301.html

Now I'm really, really worried:

http://www.iceagenow.com/Growing_Glaciers.htm

Now sea ice is declining:

http://nsidc.org/news/press/20050928...scontinue.html

When ice melts in a full glass does the glass overflow?

Melting sea ice actually causes a drop in sea level.

Lloyd


"Capt. JG" wrote in message
...
Yes, thanks for point that out.

"In the past 10 years, the warmer temperatures over the eastern part of
the Antarctic ice sheet have allowed that air to gather more moisture.
Snow has been falling and causing part of the ice sheet to thicken
slowing the rise of the sea level by a tiny amount."

Operative word, "tiny."

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Lloyd Bonafide" wrote in message
...
Yeah, some evidence:

http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/wireStory?id=776766

Lloyd



"Capt. JG" wrote in message
...
And plenty of evidence of major melting going on.. which is too bad.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Bart Senior" .@. wrote in message
...
It seems an undersea volcano caused the Larsen B
ice shelf to collaspe. I didn't see this in the news.
*****************************************

Evidence of the volcano came as an unintended bonus
from a research plan to investigate why a massive ice
sheet, known as the Larsen B, collapsed and broke up
several years ago.

Scientists hope to understand whether such a collapse is
unique or part of a cycle that extends over hundreds of
thousands of years.

http://www.nsf.gov/news/news_summ.js...0385&from=news

"Capt. JG" wrote in message
...
Well, it's pretty clear that you don't believe that global warming is
happening and that we can do something about it.

I know you directed this to Lloyd, but I hope you'll accept my answer, too.

I believe that global warming *is* happening, and I do believe that the net
effects of human inhabitation are at least part of the cause. The best
prediction by most scientists is that the mean temp of the Earth will rise
by less than 1 degree F by the year 2100. What no one knows is whether one
degree will be signficant enough to cause the sort of potentially
catastrophic effects that may imperil our existence. My point is--we know
almost nothing about the potential effects of global warming. How are we
supposed to know how to curb the process? Literally every attempt by man to
control major global climatic effects has been a dismal failure. For
example, some recommend efforts to reduce the level of CO2 in the
atmosphere, but we *do* know that CO2 is necessary for plant life, and that
reducing it may result in a significant reduction of global foliage, causing
a rapid increase in temperature. Conundrum.

So, good for you. Perhaps you should post a few dozen more links... like
I'm going to take the time out of my busy schedule! Bwahahahahaaaaa

Ah, so you aren't worried about global warming. Okay.

Not to worry--we'll all be long gone anyway when the next ice age hits in
about 2000 years.

Max

"Lloyd Bonafide" wrote in message
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"Capt. JG" wrote in message
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And plenty of evidence of major melting going on.. which is too bad.

Yeah, some evidence:

http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/wireStory?id=776766

Lloyd

There is a positive mass balance in the West ice sheet as well. I provided
a reference in my other post to Jon.

Considering that Antarctica comprises 90% of the world's ice, that's
significant.

Max

Here's a good reference for a potential cause of cloud cover:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/2333133.stm


This articles references the sun as a source of ion causing radiation.

The decrease in the earth's magnetic field also allows the creation of more
ions, hence more clouds and more insular effect of the clouds.

The other thing to consider is the core of the earth. The core's rotation is
slowing and may reverse or change direction. The heat conduction to the
outer crust will increase with slowing core velocity.

I feel guilty about being a human and humans are the cause of global warming
and total planetary destruction. I want to do something so I can feel better
about this whole tragedy (the tragedy being the external world changing
before my eyes). I will make myself feel better by forcing my neighbor to
drive a car (only on odd numbered days) powered by his own fecal matter.
There, I feel better now. Symbolic gestures are always better than real
action and understanding in solving the world's problems. Symbolism gives me
immediate gratification.


Lloyd


"Maxprop" wrote in message
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"Lloyd Bonafide" wrote in message
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"Capt. JG" wrote in message
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And plenty of evidence of major melting going on.. which is too bad.

Yeah, some evidence:

http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/wireStory?id=776766

Lloyd

There is a positive mass balance in the West ice sheet as well. I
provided a reference in my other post to Jon.

Considering that Antarctica comprises 90% of the world's ice, that's
significant.

Max