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Lessons of a tragedy....Roller furlers suck
I learned early to reef and swap head sails before the front or bad
weather hits. It's not that hard Katy. True...RedCloud has the to ability to power out of trouble, but that has nothing to do with roll up failures, and Ive seen so many roll up's shreaded it isn't funny. Next thing your going to try to tell me in-mast rollers systems are great. Bwahahahahahahahaaaa. Joe |
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Lessons of a tragedy....Roller furlers suck
Joe wrote:
I learned early to reef and swap head sails before the front or bad weather hits. It's not that hard Katy. True...RedCloud has the to ability to power out of trouble, but that has nothing to do with roll up failures, and Ive seen so many roll up's shreaded it isn't funny. Next thing your going to try to tell me in-mast rollers systems are great. Bwahahahahahahahaaaa. Joe Nope...I don't think they're great except for people that would never venture out into anything but fair akies and fair seas...and we sailed for years without a furler, so I do know what I'm talking about. The erros in that story ahd nothing to do with furling and everything to do with inept sailong...and yes, we reef early...sometimes we reeft right at the dock or mooring, preferring a controlled situation rather than getting out there and having everything flying all over...it's always much easier to shake iot all out if uneeded than to reef in under poor conditions... |
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Lessons of a tragedy....Roller furlers suck
I agree with you on in-mast furlers. I had snag once and it
took a long time to clear it. I had only a few options, try to furl, or try to un-furl. The thing was mostly furled so changing halyard tension wouldn't have helped. Thankfully, I was in a protected harbor at Jost Van Dyke at the time. I hate to think what I would have had to do to clear it in strong winds. Perhaps the wind would have helped it. Still I would rather not have that problem ever again. In boom furling, at least, gives you the option of dropping the sail. Not that I am a big fan of this either. My choice is a Dutchman System, with a good track system --which gives you all the benefits of sail shaping, as well as easy hoisting and lowering, and the benefit of keeping the sail where you want it. "Joe" wrote I learned early to reef and swap head sails before the front or bad weather hits. It's not that hard Katy. True...RedCloud has the to ability to power out of trouble, but that has nothing to do with roll up failures, and Ive seen so many roll up's shreaded it isn't funny. Next thing your going to try to tell me in-mast rollers systems are great. Bwahahahahahahahaaaa. Joe |
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Lessons of a tragedy....Roller furlers suck
The only bummer about the Dutchman system is that you have to put holes in
your sail. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Bart Senior" .@. wrote in message news I agree with you on in-mast furlers. I had snag once and it took a long time to clear it. I had only a few options, try to furl, or try to un-furl. The thing was mostly furled so changing halyard tension wouldn't have helped. Thankfully, I was in a protected harbor at Jost Van Dyke at the time. I hate to think what I would have had to do to clear it in strong winds. Perhaps the wind would have helped it. Still I would rather not have that problem ever again. In boom furling, at least, gives you the option of dropping the sail. Not that I am a big fan of this either. My choice is a Dutchman System, with a good track system --which gives you all the benefits of sail shaping, as well as easy hoisting and lowering, and the benefit of keeping the sail where you want it. "Joe" wrote I learned early to reef and swap head sails before the front or bad weather hits. It's not that hard Katy. True...RedCloud has the to ability to power out of trouble, but that has nothing to do with roll up failures, and Ive seen so many roll up's shreaded it isn't funny. Next thing your going to try to tell me in-mast rollers systems are great. Bwahahahahahahahaaaa. Joe |
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Lessons of a tragedy....Roller furlers suck
Small holes, with reinforcing patches. The monofilament is
pretty thin stuff. It is certainly not something worth complaining about compared to other systems with bigger hassles. "Capt. JG" wrote The only bummer about the Dutchman system is that you have to put holes in your sail. "Bart Senior" .@. wrote My choice is a Dutchman System, with a good track system --which gives you all the benefits of sail shaping, as well as easy hoisting and lowering, and the benefit of keeping the sail where you want it. |
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Lessons of a tragedy....Roller furlers suck
Yeah, I do like the system... I guess it's just the idea of having to put
holes in every new main you get. Has to be custom done for each situation right? Also, what's the effort like if you have to remove the sail from the boat? I don't like the standard Lazy Jacks that much because they tend to interfere with the sails going up sometimes. They do make the more complicated setup that moves the LJs while the sail goes up and down, but that yet another level of complexity. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Bart Senior" .@. wrote in message ... Small holes, with reinforcing patches. The monofilament is pretty thin stuff. It is certainly not something worth complaining about compared to other systems with bigger hassles. "Capt. JG" wrote The only bummer about the Dutchman system is that you have to put holes in your sail. "Bart Senior" .@. wrote My choice is a Dutchman System, with a good track system --which gives you all the benefits of sail shaping, as well as easy hoisting and lowering, and the benefit of keeping the sail where you want it. |
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Lessons of a tragedy....Roller furlers suck
To remove a Dutchman, you lower the sail. It self
flakes. Next you lower the toping lift and disconnect the topping lift from the wire provided for the Dutchman. Remove the sail from the boom. How many mains do you have for a given boat? If you are racing, you don't need it if you have a big crew. Still I have seenn some racing boats with Dacron sails using Dutchman's. It really is a nice system. It works best with newer sails. Let the sail sit flaked up for a winter and it will fall perfectly every time. Combine this with a track system and you can make a nice coil of main halyard, and simply throw the rope clutch off and the sail will fall completely down. Rarely will you have to tug the sail down. I find that if pointed directly into the wind with this system it falls all the way down as fast as you can snap your fingers twice. A Dutchman, with a good track system, and roller furling on the headsail, means easy sail dousing. The Dutchman also holds the sail on the boom when the sail ties are removed. No huge mess of sail falling everywhere. Without a doubt it is a fabulous system for shorthanded or solo sailing. "Capt. JG" wrote Yeah, I do like the system... I guess it's just the idea of having to put holes in every new main you get. Has to be custom done for each situation right? Also, what's the effort like if you have to remove the sail from the boat? I don't like the standard Lazy Jacks that much because they tend to interfere with the sails going up sometimes. They do make the more complicated setup that moves the LJs while the sail goes up and down, but that yet another level of complexity. "Bart Senior" .@. wrote in message ... Small holes, with reinforcing patches. The monofilament is pretty thin stuff. It is certainly not something worth complaining about compared to other systems with bigger hassles. "Capt. JG" wrote The only bummer about the Dutchman system is that you have to put holes in your sail. "Bart Senior" .@. wrote My choice is a Dutchman System, with a good track system --which gives you all the benefits of sail shaping, as well as easy hoisting and lowering, and the benefit of keeping the sail where you want it. |
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Dutchman System
This topic deserves it's own thread.
"Bart Senior" .@. wrote in message ... To remove a Dutchman, you lower the sail. It self flakes. Next you lower the toping lift and disconnect the topping lift from the wire provided for the Dutchman. Remove the sail from the boom. How many mains do you have for a given boat? If you are racing, you don't need it if you have a big crew. Still I have seenn some racing boats with Dacron sails using Dutchman's. It really is a nice system. It works best with newer sails. Let the sail sit flaked up for a winter and it will fall perfectly every time. Combine this with a track system and you can make a nice coil of main halyard, and simply throw the rope clutch off and the sail will fall completely down. Rarely will you have to tug the sail down. I find that if pointed directly into the wind with this system it falls all the way down as fast as you can snap your fingers twice. A Dutchman, with a good track system, and roller furling on the headsail, means easy sail dousing. The Dutchman also holds the sail on the boom when the sail ties are removed. No huge mess of sail falling everywhere. Without a doubt it is a fabulous system for shorthanded or solo sailing. "Capt. JG" wrote Yeah, I do like the system... I guess it's just the idea of having to put holes in every new main you get. Has to be custom done for each situation right? Also, what's the effort like if you have to remove the sail from the boat? I don't like the standard Lazy Jacks that much because they tend to interfere with the sails going up sometimes. They do make the more complicated setup that moves the LJs while the sail goes up and down, but that yet another level of complexity. "Bart Senior" .@. wrote in message ... Small holes, with reinforcing patches. The monofilament is pretty thin stuff. It is certainly not something worth complaining about compared to other systems with bigger hassles. "Capt. JG" wrote The only bummer about the Dutchman system is that you have to put holes in your sail. "Bart Senior" .@. wrote My choice is a Dutchman System, with a good track system --which gives you all the benefits of sail shaping, as well as easy hoisting and lowering, and the benefit of keeping the sail where you want it. |
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Lessons of a tragedy....Roller furlers suck
I agree actually. I used to rent boats from a place that had it on a couple
of their boats. Pop the halyard and you're pretty much done. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Bart Senior" .@. wrote in message ... To remove a Dutchman, you lower the sail. It self flakes. Next you lower the toping lift and disconnect the topping lift from the wire provided for the Dutchman. Remove the sail from the boom. How many mains do you have for a given boat? If you are racing, you don't need it if you have a big crew. Still I have seenn some racing boats with Dacron sails using Dutchman's. It really is a nice system. It works best with newer sails. Let the sail sit flaked up for a winter and it will fall perfectly every time. Combine this with a track system and you can make a nice coil of main halyard, and simply throw the rope clutch off and the sail will fall completely down. Rarely will you have to tug the sail down. I find that if pointed directly into the wind with this system it falls all the way down as fast as you can snap your fingers twice. A Dutchman, with a good track system, and roller furling on the headsail, means easy sail dousing. The Dutchman also holds the sail on the boom when the sail ties are removed. No huge mess of sail falling everywhere. Without a doubt it is a fabulous system for shorthanded or solo sailing. "Capt. JG" wrote Yeah, I do like the system... I guess it's just the idea of having to put holes in every new main you get. Has to be custom done for each situation right? Also, what's the effort like if you have to remove the sail from the boat? I don't like the standard Lazy Jacks that much because they tend to interfere with the sails going up sometimes. They do make the more complicated setup that moves the LJs while the sail goes up and down, but that yet another level of complexity. "Bart Senior" .@. wrote in message ... Small holes, with reinforcing patches. The monofilament is pretty thin stuff. It is certainly not something worth complaining about compared to other systems with bigger hassles. "Capt. JG" wrote The only bummer about the Dutchman system is that you have to put holes in your sail. "Bart Senior" .@. wrote My choice is a Dutchman System, with a good track system --which gives you all the benefits of sail shaping, as well as easy hoisting and lowering, and the benefit of keeping the sail where you want it. |