"Jonathan Ganz" wrote

By most standards of definition in use today, Jews are a race. In any
case, it's a disgusting comment not worthy of additional discussion.
Anyone who uses such a phrase denegrates an entire people.

Most? Maybe in NYC but not in the real world. Judaism is a culture and
religion. Most Jews today are of European stock having lost their semetism by
intermarriage over the millenia.

Denegrates? How about honors?? In a culture that values one's ability to
bargain, having that ability called by the name of your culture would seem a
compliment to me. It is only perjorative in the mind of somebody who thinks
that bargaining is dishonorable .... somebody like you????

Vito wrote:
"Jonathan Ganz" wrote


By most standards of definition in use today, Jews are a race. In any
case, it's a disgusting comment not worthy of additional discussion.
Anyone who uses such a phrase denegrates an entire people.


Most? Maybe in NYC but not in the real world. Judaism is a culture and
religion. Most Jews today are of European stock having lost their semetism by
intermarriage over the millenia.

Denegrates? How about honors?? In a culture that values one's ability to
bargain, having that ability called by the name of your culture would seem a
compliment to me. It is only perjorative in the mind of somebody who thinks
that bargaining is dishonorable .... somebody like you????


Vito, are you Jewish? Maybe the argument would best be solved by
asking the opinion of a Jewish person whether they are "honored" by
your statements.

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katy wrote:
Vito wrote:
"Jonathan Ganz" wrote


By most standards of definition in use today, Jews are a race. In any
case, it's a disgusting comment not worthy of additional discussion.
Anyone who uses such a phrase denegrates an entire people.


Most? Maybe in NYC but not in the real world. Judaism is a culture and
religion. Most Jews today are of European stock having lost their semetism by
intermarriage over the millenia.

Denegrates? How about honors?? In a culture that values one's ability to
bargain, having that ability called by the name of your culture would seem a
compliment to me. It is only perjorative in the mind of somebody who thinks
that bargaining is dishonorable .... somebody like you????


Vito, are you Jewish? Maybe the argument would best be solved by
asking the opinion of a Jewish person whether they are "honored" by
your statements.

Yeah, I'd like to be around for that conversation. Perhaps he should
travel to Israel and ask someone in the military. :-)


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"Jonathan Ganz" wrote
Yeah, I'd like to be around for that conversation. Perhaps he should
travel to Israel and ask someone in the military. :-)

Plains Indians believed that the way someone thought about or saw anything said
more about him than his opinion said about the subject. That is obviously true
in our case. You see a perjorative where I see a compliment. Why do you think
ascribing something to Jews (or anybody ese) is perjorative whilst I see the
same thing as complimentary? Do you think that calling someone a Jew denegrates
that person? Do you think ascribing a skill to a cultural group denegrates
them? I do not.

Not just me dude... are you jewish? I doubt it.

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"Vito" wrote in message
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"Jonathan Ganz" wrote
Yeah, I'd like to be around for that conversation. Perhaps he should
travel to Israel and ask someone in the military. :-)

Plains Indians believed that the way someone thought about or saw anything
said
more about him than his opinion said about the subject. That is obviously
true
in our case. You see a perjorative where I see a compliment. Why do you
think
ascribing something to Jews (or anybody ese) is perjorative whilst I see
the
same thing as complimentary? Do you think that calling someone a Jew
denegrates
that person? Do you think ascribing a skill to a cultural group
denegrates
them? I do not.

"katy" wrote
Vito, are you Jewish? Maybe the argument would best be solved by
asking the opinion of a Jewish person whether they are "honored" by
your statements.

No, but I very nearly converted in my youth before learning that Judism is
*almost* as nutty as Christianity.

I agree but instead of "a Jewish person" I'd prefer a comprehensive poll. I'm
merely saying that, IMO, phrases like "Jewing down" are more complimentary than
derogatory. A Jew I once worked with had grown up in NYC's garment district. I
wish I had his bargaining skills .... and sense of humor. I suppose YMMV.

Vito wrote:
"katy" wrote

Vito, are you Jewish? Maybe the argument would best be solved by
asking the opinion of a Jewish person whether they are "honored" by
your statements.


No, but I very nearly converted in my youth before learning that Judism is
*almost* as nutty as Christianity.

I agree but instead of "a Jewish person" I'd prefer a comprehensive poll. I'm
merely saying that, IMO, phrases like "Jewing down" are more complimentary than
derogatory. A Jew I once worked with had grown up in NYC's garment district. I
wish I had his bargaining skills .... and sense of humor. I suppose YMMV.


Even though his skills may have been admirable, I highly doubt, IMO,
that he would have appreciated your use of the term to describe his
efforts.

And, I'm saying that you have no idea what you're talking about. It's
derogatory and shameful that anyone would even defend saying it. Learn from
your mistakes.

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"Vito" wrote in message
...
"katy" wrote
Vito, are you Jewish? Maybe the argument would best be solved by
asking the opinion of a Jewish person whether they are "honored" by
your statements.

No, but I very nearly converted in my youth before learning that Judism is
*almost* as nutty as Christianity.

I agree but instead of "a Jewish person" I'd prefer a comprehensive poll.
I'm
merely saying that, IMO, phrases like "Jewing down" are more complimentary
than
derogatory. A Jew I once worked with had grown up in NYC's garment
district. I
wish I had his bargaining skills .... and sense of humor. I suppose YMMV.

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Vito wrote:
"Jonathan Ganz" wrote

By most standards of definition in use today, Jews are a race. In any
case, it's a disgusting comment not worthy of additional discussion.
Anyone who uses such a phrase denegrates an entire people.

Most? Maybe in NYC but not in the real world. Judaism is a culture and
religion. Most Jews today are of European stock having lost their semetism by
intermarriage over the millenia.

Yes, most. So, you now believe that Jews who live in NYC are somehow
different than ones who live in Kansas?

Denegrates? How about honors?? In a culture that values one's ability to
bargain, having that ability called by the name of your culture would seem a
compliment to me. It is only perjorative in the mind of somebody who thinks
that bargaining is dishonorable .... somebody like you????

Sounds to me like you have no idea what you're talking about.

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"Jonathan Ganz" wrote
Yes, most. So, you now believe that Jews who live in NYC are somehow
different than ones who live in Kansas?

Absolutely! Not only do I believe it - I know it for a fact. EVERYBODY who
lives in Kansas, or anywhere else, is different than people who live in NYC,
Jewish or not. NYC's unnatural environment warps ones sensibilities and thought
processes. Remember, when most Americans hear "NYC" they think "Get a rope".