"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
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Vito wrote:
"Dave" wrote
That's one of those expressions that truly highlights cultural
differences.
Most Jews I know, including my wife, think it most odd that haggling
over
price offends Wasp sensibilities. Conversely, a lot of the folks using
the
term "Jewing him down" likely never met a Jew in their lives.

It's biblical and at the root of both faiths, as well as a fine joke.

Abraham is lazying in his tent in the noon heat when who should come
hiking
across the desert but God himself. Abie quickly invites him in for a veal
sandwich and inquires his destination. "To Sodom and Gomarrah to check
out
rumors that the people there are disobeying me, and it that's true to
smite
them!" "Oy!" thinks Abie "My slums" and asks God if he would spare his
slums
for 50 good souls. God agrees, but Abie knows he can't find 50 so he
proceeds to
"jew" God down from 50 to 5 IIRC. But then he can't even produce the 5!

God tells Abie that he really likes him and plans to give him and his
descendents all the land between the two great rivers (most of what's now
Iraq)
.... but Abie needs a badge or mark to show that he is God's favorite.
Then God
has Abie cut off the end of his penis - and all his sons penises, and so
on.
And to this day .....

Thus the perchance for God's chosen People to bargain. It's an integral
part of
their beliefs.

Thus, you have no idea what you're talking about. Ever been to Mexico?
They bargin like crazy and expect it. Are they Jews?

It's a racist comment... jewing down. Disgusting.

It's not a racist comment. Jews aren't a race. Mexico has a barter economy,
so haggling is prevelant. So does the Middle East, where Jews originated. I
believe the propensity for some Jews to haggle comes from tradition, passed
down from their ancestry in the Middle East.

Think of the Jewish tailor robots in the Woody Allen movie "Sleeper". "You
want velvet? We got velvet. We got simple, we got complicated. What are you
worried? Drop dead, can't you see I got a customer!"

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Bob Crantz wrote:
It's a racist comment... jewing down. Disgusting.

It's not a racist comment. Jews aren't a race. Mexico has a barter economy,
so haggling is prevelant. So does the Middle East, where Jews originated. I
believe the propensity for some Jews to haggle comes from tradition, passed
down from their ancestry in the Middle East.

By most standards of definition in use today, Jews are a race. In any
case, it's a disgusting comment not worthy of additional discussion.
Anyone who uses such a phrase denegrates an entire people.





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"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
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In article . net,
Bob Crantz wrote:
It's a racist comment... jewing down. Disgusting.

It's not a racist comment. Jews aren't a race. Mexico has a barter
economy,
so haggling is prevelant. So does the Middle East, where Jews originated.
I
believe the propensity for some Jews to haggle comes from tradition,
passed
down from their ancestry in the Middle East.

By most standards of definition in use today, Jews are a race. In any
case, it's a disgusting comment not worthy of additional discussion.
Anyone who uses such a phrase denegrates an entire people.

A person can be denigrated only by their own choice.

In article . net,
Bob Crantz wrote:

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
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In article . net,
Bob Crantz wrote:
It's a racist comment... jewing down. Disgusting.

It's not a racist comment. Jews aren't a race. Mexico has a barter
economy,
so haggling is prevelant. So does the Middle East, where Jews originated.
I
believe the propensity for some Jews to haggle comes from tradition,
passed
down from their ancestry in the Middle East.

By most standards of definition in use today, Jews are a race. In any
case, it's a disgusting comment not worthy of additional discussion.
Anyone who uses such a phrase denegrates an entire people.

A person can be denigrated only by their own choice.

That's very philosphical, but has no basis in reality. Try that with
the wrong crowd, and you're likely to get stomped.



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"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
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In article . net,
Bob Crantz wrote:

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
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In article . net,
Bob Crantz wrote:
It's a racist comment... jewing down. Disgusting.

It's not a racist comment. Jews aren't a race. Mexico has a barter
economy,
so haggling is prevelant. So does the Middle East, where Jews
originated.
I
believe the propensity for some Jews to haggle comes from tradition,
passed
down from their ancestry in the Middle East.

By most standards of definition in use today, Jews are a race. In any
case, it's a disgusting comment not worthy of additional discussion.
Anyone who uses such a phrase denegrates an entire people.

A person can be denigrated only by their own choice.

That's very philosphical, but has no basis in reality. Try that with
the wrong crowd, and you're likely to get stomped.

These guys aren't going to kick my ass:

http://tinyurl.com/dgnuv

And they're from New York!

Amen!!!!

How do you know?

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"Bob Crantz" wrote in message
ink.net...

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
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In article . net,
Bob Crantz wrote:

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
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In article . net,
Bob Crantz wrote:
It's a racist comment... jewing down. Disgusting.

It's not a racist comment. Jews aren't a race. Mexico has a barter
economy,
so haggling is prevelant. So does the Middle East, where Jews
originated.
I
believe the propensity for some Jews to haggle comes from tradition,
passed
down from their ancestry in the Middle East.

By most standards of definition in use today, Jews are a race. In any
case, it's a disgusting comment not worthy of additional discussion.
Anyone who uses such a phrase denegrates an entire people.

A person can be denigrated only by their own choice.

That's very philosphical, but has no basis in reality. Try that with
the wrong crowd, and you're likely to get stomped.

These guys aren't going to kick my ass:

http://tinyurl.com/dgnuv

And they're from New York!

Amen!!!!

Maybe you should talk to some people at this organization...

http://www.jpfo.org/jewsandguncontrol.htm

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How do you know?

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"Bob Crantz" wrote in message
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"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
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In article . net,
Bob Crantz wrote:

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...
In article . net,
Bob Crantz wrote:
It's a racist comment... jewing down. Disgusting.

It's not a racist comment. Jews aren't a race. Mexico has a barter
economy,
so haggling is prevelant. So does the Middle East, where Jews
originated.
I
believe the propensity for some Jews to haggle comes from tradition,
passed
down from their ancestry in the Middle East.

By most standards of definition in use today, Jews are a race. In any
case, it's a disgusting comment not worthy of additional discussion.
Anyone who uses such a phrase denegrates an entire people.

A person can be denigrated only by their own choice.

That's very philosphical, but has no basis in reality. Try that with
the wrong crowd, and you're likely to get stomped.

These guys aren't going to kick my ass:

http://tinyurl.com/dgnuv

And they're from New York!

Amen!!!!

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote

By most standards of definition in use today, Jews are a race. In any
case, it's a disgusting comment not worthy of additional discussion.
Anyone who uses such a phrase denegrates an entire people.

Most? Maybe in NYC but not in the real world. Judaism is a culture and
religion. Most Jews today are of European stock having lost their semetism by
intermarriage over the millenia.

Denegrates? How about honors?? In a culture that values one's ability to
bargain, having that ability called by the name of your culture would seem a
compliment to me. It is only perjorative in the mind of somebody who thinks
that bargaining is dishonorable .... somebody like you????

Vito wrote:
"Jonathan Ganz" wrote


By most standards of definition in use today, Jews are a race. In any
case, it's a disgusting comment not worthy of additional discussion.
Anyone who uses such a phrase denegrates an entire people.


Most? Maybe in NYC but not in the real world. Judaism is a culture and
religion. Most Jews today are of European stock having lost their semetism by
intermarriage over the millenia.

Denegrates? How about honors?? In a culture that values one's ability to
bargain, having that ability called by the name of your culture would seem a
compliment to me. It is only perjorative in the mind of somebody who thinks
that bargaining is dishonorable .... somebody like you????


Vito, are you Jewish? Maybe the argument would best be solved by
asking the opinion of a Jewish person whether they are "honored" by
your statements.

In article ,
katy wrote:
Vito wrote:
"Jonathan Ganz" wrote


By most standards of definition in use today, Jews are a race. In any
case, it's a disgusting comment not worthy of additional discussion.
Anyone who uses such a phrase denegrates an entire people.


Most? Maybe in NYC but not in the real world. Judaism is a culture and
religion. Most Jews today are of European stock having lost their semetism by
intermarriage over the millenia.

Denegrates? How about honors?? In a culture that values one's ability to
bargain, having that ability called by the name of your culture would seem a
compliment to me. It is only perjorative in the mind of somebody who thinks
that bargaining is dishonorable .... somebody like you????


Vito, are you Jewish? Maybe the argument would best be solved by
asking the opinion of a Jewish person whether they are "honored" by
your statements.

Yeah, I'd like to be around for that conversation. Perhaps he should
travel to Israel and ask someone in the military. :-)


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