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Vito wrote:
"katy" wrote

Not acceptable...


If you say so Katy ....


I've seen the destruction that words cause. Your scenario of
"sticks and Stones" is valid, however naive. Words do hurt and not
everyone is strong. The strong have the obligation to protect the
weak. We are a highly ordered animal and survival of the fittest
went out with the industrial age...If your argument is that it
shouldn't, that the strongest should still prevail, then you must
also eschew those things that help you to survive such as modern
medicine. There is nothing wrong with a modicum of sensitivity to
your fellow man. Callousness destroys and leads to usage of slang
and jingoism that affronts and destroys.

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"Dave" wrote in message
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On Mon, 06 Feb 2006 10:16:30 -0500, katy

said:

There is nothing wrong with a modicum of sensitivity to
your fellow man.

No dispute about that. I suggest that individual sensitivity to one's
fellow
man is far preferable to groupthink of the type Jon seems to propose. I
find
it unfortunate that increasingly a rule-based "there oughta be a law"
approach is replacing other social controls such as learned individual
sensitivity.

Heh Dave I agree.... and nothing makes me feel better than to Jew Down a Jew
or Out Leb a Lebanese. Bwahahahahahahahahaaaaa

Remember...... "Never Mince Words to Spare the Sensibilities of the Thin
Skinned & Ignorant"- Capt. Neal

CM

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Oh man....your going to get a jap slap from Jon for that one.

Joe

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"Capt. JG" wrote in message
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That's bizarre... Did you ask why?

A couple I knew a while back were Gypsies from which the term "gyp" derives.
They were Jewish albiet not mainstream. They claimed that all true Gypsies were
Jewish and descended from Jews driven out of Judea by the Romans who became
nomadic rather than settling into ghettos.

Your question proves my point. Why would you think it bizzare for Jews
(Gypsies) to be offended by "gyp", a term meaning to cheat, but think that
"Jewing down", a term that means honest haggling, is derogatory?

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"Dave" wrote
The problem is that implicit in the phrase is the assumption that the
speaker regards haggling as an undesirable trait, .....

That's what I've been trying to say to bobsy -- that the *problem* is in an
*assumption* that prolly isn't true. Thus any injury is done by the 'assumer' to
him/herself. Logic dictates that one should stop injuring oneself.

One problem is that the assumption may not be correct in all cases. ....

Or even in most cases today.

There are all kinds of subtleties here, and great potential for
miscommunication, so it's not a good phrase to use.

I would tend to agree, I just don't think any word or phrase is Earth shattering
as the PC among us believe. I have no desire to hurt anybody's feelings but
neither will I let their illogical assumptions unreasonably limit my choice of
words. I wish I could offer some good Jewish joke to illustrate my point but
none come to mind.

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"Vito" wrote in message
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"Dave" wrote
The problem is that implicit in the phrase is the assumption that the
speaker regards haggling as an undesirable trait, .....

That's what I've been trying to say to bobsy -- that the *problem* is in
an
*assumption* that prolly isn't true. Thus any injury is done by the
'assumer' to
him/herself. Logic dictates that one should stop injuring oneself.

Bob was involved in the conversation?

You're deluded. The phrase has nothing to do with haggling abilities or
tendencies. The phrase has everything to do with putting down a class of
people.

One problem is that the assumption may not be correct in all cases. ....

Or even in most cases today.

Neither statement merits much comment.. all cases?? No exceptions?
Most cases? Absolutely most cases, as best as can be deterimined by the
limited sample we all have available.

There are all kinds of subtleties here, and great potential for
miscommunication, so it's not a good phrase to use.

I would tend to agree, I just don't think any word or phrase is Earth
shattering
as the PC among us believe. I have no desire to hurt anybody's feelings
but
neither will I let their illogical assumptions unreasonably limit my
choice of
words. I wish I could offer some good Jewish joke to illustrate my point
but
none come to mind.

There are very few subtketies with the phrase, unless you're uneducated.

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Well, here we go. I must be mis-informed because you think it's ok to use a
commonly known derogatory comment to bolster your feeble areguments.

I think we all know what early- to mid-century dictator was good enough to
provide us an example of the result of the kind of thinking you have shown.

Are you really so stupid to equate an ethnic joke to a phrase used by
rednecks when they think they've been cheated?

Here's a story for you.. I was working at a very large hi-tech company. My
boss just finished negotiating with a peer of his over a particular
deliverable. When he got done, I happened to talk to the other guy who
called him a f*cking kike, saying he really jewed me down. Of course, it was
shocking that someone so obviously intelligent would make such a comment. He
surely was embarrassed when I told him that my boss was actually Lutheran.

You sound like a child to me... someone who can't understand why an
obviously offensive behavior is offensive.
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"Vito" wrote in message
...
"Capt. JG" wrote
Just don't try and tell me that it's ok to say whatever you like just
because we have a thing called free speech. ....

Obviously no one can tell you anything since you choose to remain forever
misinformed.

As a child I once come home sniveling that some other kids had called me
bad
names. My wise grandmother quoted a childrens' verse "Sticks and stones
may
break my bones but names shall never hurt me." The verse is absolutely
correct - no word(s) can hurt anybody unless the victim allows them to. I
took
that to heart and was never hurt by names again or jokes again, ethnic or
personal. I'm sorry if the weak are hurt or offended by various innocous
phrases - not because of having voiced them but because of that persons'
weakness and the insecurity that causes him/her the pain. But that
weakness is
self imposed.

Ask yourself why a phrase like "Jew down" offends you? Are you Jewish but
ashamed of it? Or perhaps you are so paranoid that you believe everybody
hates
Jews? Might I suggest that you wouldn't be offended if you were *proudly*
Jewish and believed, as I do, that only nutcases hate any ethnic group.

Or are you so antisemetic yourself that you ascribe negative thoughts to
the
word "Jew"? If so, do you think everybody is as antisemetic as yourself
and are
ashamed of yourself and them? Perhaps counseling might help.

In any event, it is YOUR own hangups that are causing you discomfort.

Meanwhile, the world is full of ethnic jokes and phrases, most based on a
grain
of truth. Why can't Italians drown? Cuz we're afraid of water and when
we're
afraid we talk and when we talk we wave our arms like we were swimming.
Why do
Polish have round shouldersand flat foreheads? Because they shrug when
asked
that question then slap their forehead when they hear the answer. Why do
NYrs
.... no that IS too dirty.

Too bad you can't enjoy them.

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That's what I thought... well, gypsies are fair game. :-)

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"katy" wrote in message
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Scotty wrote:
Claimed that the word 'gyp' is a derivative from the word 'Jew.
Anyway, we were kids, didn't stop using the word.

Scotty


"Capt. JG" wrote in message
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That's bizarre... Did you ask why?

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"Scotty" wrote in message
.. .

When I was a kid, my Mom lectured me one time after I used

the

phrase, ''that's a gyp. She explained that a good friend of

ours

was Jewish and she felt that was derogatory to Jews.
I think some people are just too sensitive.


Scotty






Gyp=gypsy=Rom

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It proves you're not too smart. Gyp is ambigous at best. If someone told me
as an adult that it was offensive to them, I'd stop using it, at least in
their presence. You're incapable of doing that, so therefore you must not be
an adult or you're not to bright. You pick.

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"Vito" wrote in message
...
"Capt. JG" wrote in message
...
That's bizarre... Did you ask why?

A couple I knew a while back were Gypsies from which the term "gyp"
derives.
They were Jewish albiet not mainstream. They claimed that all true
Gypsies were
Jewish and descended from Jews driven out of Judea by the Romans who
became
nomadic rather than settling into ghettos.

Your question proves my point. Why would you think it bizzare for Jews
(Gypsies) to be offended by "gyp", a term meaning to cheat, but think that
"Jewing down", a term that means honest haggling, is derogatory?

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Well said.

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"katy" wrote in message
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Vito wrote:
"katy" wrote

Not acceptable...


If you say so Katy ....


I've seen the destruction that words cause. Your scenario of "sticks and
Stones" is valid, however naive. Words do hurt and not everyone is
strong. The strong have the obligation to protect the weak. We are a
highly ordered animal and survival of the fittest went out with the
industrial age...If your argument is that it shouldn't, that the strongest
should still prevail, then you must also eschew those things that help you
to survive such as modern medicine. There is nothing wrong with a modicum
of sensitivity to your fellow man. Callousness destroys and leads to
usage of slang and jingoism that affronts and destroys.