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C&C 99 vs 35s5
Is there even a comparison?
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C&C 99 vs 35s5
"Bob Crantz" wrote: Is there even a comparison? Let's see... 99/35.5=2.788.... It's close to being 3 for 1. Nope! I agree! LP ;-) xoxoxoxo |
C&C 99 vs 35s5
As a racer, the C&C rates as low as 99, while 35s5 rates as low as 114.
While 35s5's have beaten C&C 99's boat for boat, the 99 is still the faster hull. On deck boat boats are friendly and fun. The 35s5 cockpit is larger as is the swim platform, but the 99 is a walkthrough. I prefer the helm station of the C&C, but the 35s5 has the Whitlock steering which is far better. As a cruiser the 99 does well, featuring a nice cabin and usable aft cabin. But the 35s5 is larger below with an even larger aft cabin and head. The 35s5 is also way ahead on storage. Fit and finish is quite close, but the 35s5 is a bit nicer Both boats have reasonable draft, though the wing on the 35s5 is 8 inches less. Conclusion: I like the C&C 99 a lot. It's one of my favorite new designs because it packages a good fast hull with a nice cruising interior. But we have exactly the same thing with our 35s5, a boat that has actually increased in value in the last 5 years. In the end, considering that we'll do little racing, the 35s5 is the better boat again. RB 35s5 NY |
C&C 99 vs 35s5
"Capt. Rob" wrote in message ups.com... As a racer, the C&C rates as low as 99, while 35s5 rates as low as 114. While 35s5's have beaten C&C 99's boat for boat, the 99 is still the faster hull. On deck boat boats are friendly and fun. The 35s5 cockpit is larger as is the swim platform, but the 99 is a walkthrough. I prefer the helm station of the C&C, but the 35s5 has the Whitlock steering which is far better. As a cruiser the 99 does well, featuring a nice cabin and usable aft cabin. But the 35s5 is larger below with an even larger aft cabin and head. The 35s5 is also way ahead on storage. Fit and finish is quite close, but the 35s5 is a bit nicer Both boats have reasonable draft, though the wing on the 35s5 is 8 inches less. Conclusion: I like the C&C 99 a lot. It's one of my favorite new designs because it packages a good fast hull with a nice cruising interior. But we have exactly the same thing with our 35s5, a boat that has actually increased in value in the last 5 years. In the end, considering that we'll do little racing, the 35s5 is the better boat again. You've overlooked the most important comparison: price. The 99s on the used market begin at around $120K and the 35s5s begin at around half that figure. Not to mention that the Bene is a better cruising boat with better accommodations, a better-looking interior, a larger diesel for powering through nasty chop, and--(drum roll, please)--a swim platform. Oh wait, I guess the 99 has one, too. Well, four outta five ain't bad. Max |
C&C 99 vs 35s5
You haven't considered the construction methods and materials of the hull.
The 99 is vacuum bagged and aligned for strength. The 35s5 does not come close. The 99 hull is very, very strong. The 99 is a real investment. The 35s5 is almost disposable. Amen! |
C&C 99 vs 35s5
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C&C 99 vs 35s5
"Maxprop" wrote in message
nk.net... "Swab Rob" wrote Conclusion: I like the C&C 99 a lot. It's one of my favorite new designs because it packages a good fast hull with a nice cruising interior. But we have exactly the same thing with our 35s5, a boat that has actually increased in value in the last 5 years. In the end, considering that we'll do little racing, the 35s5 is the better boat again. You've overlooked the most important comparison: price. No he didn't. he can't afford the '99'. That's why he settled on a Bendytoe. SBV |
C&C 99 vs 35s5
The 99 hull is very, very strong.
The 99 is a real investment. The 35s5 is almost disposable. I wonder why the 99 has shown worse resale value after 3 years than the 35s5 has? Answer: It's a bit too much a racer for many folks. I still love it. RB 35s5 NY |
C&C 99 vs 35s5
The 99 is vacuum bagged and aligned for strength. The 35s5 does not
come close. The 99 is very strong, yes. So is the 35s5. So is Scotty's Sieldlemann. Most hulls are more than strong enough, even a thin glassed Mac26m. The 99's benefits are that it's new, it's fast and state of the art. Crantz, you're preaching to the choir on this one. Bad troll. I love the 99. We just didn't think it made sense when a liveaboard is planned in 5 years. RB 35s5 NY |
C&C 99 vs 35s5
The 99 has 65% cloth vs 25% in the 35s5!
Superior resin and construction methods! What a boat! It's no wonder you like it too! "Capt. Rob" wrote in message ups.com... The 99 is vacuum bagged and aligned for strength. The 35s5 does not come close. The 99 is very strong, yes. So is the 35s5. So is Scotty's Sieldlemann. Most hulls are more than strong enough, even a thin glassed Mac26m. The 99's benefits are that it's new, it's fast and state of the art. Crantz, you're preaching to the choir on this one. Bad troll. I love the 99. We just didn't think it made sense when a liveaboard is planned in 5 years. RB 35s5 NY |
C&C 99 vs 35s5
How could you cheat yourself and your family?
You all deserve a 99! Superior in every way. Amen! "Capt. Rob" wrote in message ups.com... As a racer, the C&C rates as low as 99, while 35s5 rates as low as 114. While 35s5's have beaten C&C 99's boat for boat, the 99 is still the faster hull. On deck boat boats are friendly and fun. The 35s5 cockpit is larger as is the swim platform, but the 99 is a walkthrough. I prefer the helm station of the C&C, but the 35s5 has the Whitlock steering which is far better. As a cruiser the 99 does well, featuring a nice cabin and usable aft cabin. But the 35s5 is larger below with an even larger aft cabin and head. The 35s5 is also way ahead on storage. Fit and finish is quite close, but the 35s5 is a bit nicer Both boats have reasonable draft, though the wing on the 35s5 is 8 inches less. Conclusion: I like the C&C 99 a lot. It's one of my favorite new designs because it packages a good fast hull with a nice cruising interior. But we have exactly the same thing with our 35s5, a boat that has actually increased in value in the last 5 years. In the end, considering that we'll do little racing, the 35s5 is the better boat again. RB 35s5 NY |
C&C 99 vs 35s5
What a boat!
It's no wonder you like it too! I liked it way back when I saw hull #1 at the AC boat show, which led me to designs like the 34xl and 35s5...two boats that offer many of the same qualities and a few the 99 misses out on. I prefer the C&C 34XL to the 99 and the XL is faster. I prefer the 35s5 to the 99. If you want to troll, use the 34XL....far nicer than the 99 and at least as nice as the 35s5. We walked away from the XL for one reason...7' draft. RB 35s5 NY |
C&C 99 vs 35s5
On 21 Jan 2006, "Capt. Rob" wrote:
with our 35s5 . . . we'll do little racing . . . . Why is that? Isn't there an easy to join in and fun Wed. nite series a mile or so from where you keep you boat and two different comparable series almost as near (i.e., in Manhassett and at "Can 1" near Exec. Rocks)? Why the apparent reluctance to test your otherwise apparently just emptily Blowhard "my boat is faster than yours!" postings? |
C&C 99 vs 35s5
Why the apparent reluctance to test your otherwise apparently just
emptily Blowhard "my boat is faster than yours!" postings? Because we're just not interested in how "fast" the boat is. I only posted those to **** off various losers here who worry about such things...like Sloco, Scotty and Doug. Mission accomplished! RB 35s5 NY |
C&C 99 vs 35s5
wrote in message ... On 21 Jan 2006, "Capt. Rob" wrote: with our 35s5 . . . we'll do little racing . . . . Why is that? Isn't there an easy to join in and fun Wed. nite series a mile or so from where you keep you boat and two different comparable series almost as near (i.e., in Manhassett and at "Can 1" near Exec. Rocks)? Why the apparent reluctance to test your otherwise apparently just emptily Blowhard "my boat is faster than yours!" postings? Well, duh. That was a rhetorical question? Simplest explanation, at some point, most clubs post their results online. John Cairns |
C&C 99 vs 35s5
Well, duh. That was a rhetorical question?
Simplest explanation, at some point, most clubs post their results online. And considering that the boat is new to us and we're not experienced racers, what exactly would those results indicate? If we won, you'd all claim the other boats were badly sailed. If we lost you'd all claim we should be doing better. Sailing side by side with many of our local friends on their boats, we'll see just how fast the 35s5 is. The only boat at our club that will be faster is a C&C 34XL with a 7 foot draft...a great boat. I expect my friend's Sweden 39 to be faster of course. Most others will be slower and less fun...believe me, we know! We set a record for sailing different boats last summer. RB 35s5 NY |
C&C 99 vs 35s5
"John Cairns" wrote in message om... Well, duh. That was a rhetorical question? Simplest explanation, at some point, most clubs post their results online. I can hear the excuses already. SBV |
C&C 99 vs 35s5
I can hear the excuses already.
"Siedlemann 30....For those who can't." "When life has passed you by, compromise: Siedlemann 30." "Failure is still an Option: Siedlemann 30." RB 35s5 NY |
C&C 99 vs 35s5
Does the 34XL have the same superior vacuum bag construction of the 99?
Amen! "Capt. Rob" wrote in message oups.com... What a boat! It's no wonder you like it too! I liked it way back when I saw hull #1 at the AC boat show, which led me to designs like the 34xl and 35s5...two boats that offer many of the same qualities and a few the 99 misses out on. I prefer the C&C 34XL to the 99 and the XL is faster. I prefer the 35s5 to the 99. If you want to troll, use the 34XL....far nicer than the 99 and at least as nice as the 35s5. We walked away from the XL for one reason...7' draft. RB 35s5 NY |
C&C 99 vs 35s5
Does the 34XL have the same superior vacuum bag construction of the
99? Epoxy hull as I recall...I don't remember the details. But as a coastal cruiser it's even faster than the 99, has more room below, more stowage, and even better cockpit and running backstays to drive you nuts. Doug listed the 34XL and + versions with centerboards as a viable alternative to the 35s5 (one of the few), but they cost close to 100K, driven up in price by the 99. Check it out...the 34XL is fantastic. Very tough to get the C&C group says only a few CB versions were built. RB 35s5 NY |
C&C 99 vs 35s5
Do you even understand the significance of vacuum bagging?
We're talking aircraft grade fiberglass construction! Not in your 35s5! Amen! "Capt. Rob" wrote in message oups.com... Does the 34XL have the same superior vacuum bag construction of the 99? Epoxy hull as I recall...I don't remember the details. But as a coastal cruiser it's even faster than the 99, has more room below, more stowage, and even better cockpit and running backstays to drive you nuts. Doug listed the 34XL and + versions with centerboards as a viable alternative to the 35s5 (one of the few), but they cost close to 100K, driven up in price by the 99. Check it out...the 34XL is fantastic. Very tough to get the C&C group says only a few CB versions were built. RB 35s5 NY |
C&C 99 vs 35s5
Do you even understand the significance of vacuum bagging?
We're talking aircraft grade fiberglass construction! But the popout-glued in ports on the C&C are a serious liability and there are no known hull problems with either. I'll take the 35s5 with ports that are proven offshore with two circumnavigations and a lot of offshore racing. The new C&C's need to address this problem. Port leaks are already a problem on C&C 99 and 110. RB 35s5 NY |
C&C 99 vs 35s5
"Bob Crantz" wrote in message ink.net... Do you even understand the significance of vacuum bagging? Only on a Hoover. |
C&C 99 vs 35s5
The ports are an easy fix.
Hull integrity is something else. Aircraft construction! Amen! "Capt. Rob" wrote in message oups.com... Do you even understand the significance of vacuum bagging? We're talking aircraft grade fiberglass construction! But the popout-glued in ports on the C&C are a serious liability and there are no known hull problems with either. I'll take the 35s5 with ports that are proven offshore with two circumnavigations and a lot of offshore racing. The new C&C's need to address this problem. Port leaks are already a problem on C&C 99 and 110. RB 35s5 NY |
C&C 99 vs 35s5
The ports are an easy fix.
Hull integrity is something else. The ports are not an easy fix. Look at the shape of the ports. She is not designed to deal with waves crashing down on them. Nor would I wish to heavily modify the ports on a new boat. It's just a bad design point on an otherwise good coastal sailor. RB 35s5 NY |
C&C 99 vs 35s5
"Swab Rob" wrote
We're talking aircraft grade fiberglass construction! But I can't afford the 99. No need to feel embarrassed. SV |
C&C 99 vs 35s5
Slap some 5200 on the windows and all is done.
Krusty says windshields support the roof in cars in rollovers. Must be so! Amen! Get the 99! Top quality! "Capt. Rob" wrote in message oups.com... The ports are an easy fix. Hull integrity is something else. The ports are not an easy fix. Look at the shape of the ports. She is not designed to deal with waves crashing down on them. Nor would I wish to heavily modify the ports on a new boat. It's just a bad design point on an otherwise good coastal sailor. RB 35s5 NY |
C&C 99 vs 35s5
Slap some 5200 on the windows and all is done.
Krusty says windshields support the roof in cars in rollovers. Then you have a huge job when they need replacement and folks who tried 5200 still had leaks. Plexus is what we used and even that doesn't last. C&C claimed that minimized flexing of the coach roof would make the windows sound....and then the reports starting coming about leaks. It's a bad design and very cheap to just glue windows in like that. You can STAND on the ports of the 35s5 and they are rock solid, thicker even than the hatches. Face it, the 35s5 is a offshore capable boat, proven to be so. The C&C is a racing toy...nice, but crippled by certain design points. RB 35s5 NY |
C&C 99 vs 35s5
"Capt" Rob wrote:
Face it, the 35s5 is a offshore capable boat, proven to be so. The C&C is a racing toy...nice, but crippled by certain design points. Based on your vast racing & offshore experienced? BTW the 35s5 that was in our marina is gone, sold to Florida. The owner has a new Jeanneau now, which he and his wife both like a lot better (although they haven't had it for more than a few months). DSK |
C&C 99 vs 35s5
BTW the 35s5 that was in our marina is gone, sold to
Florida. The owner has a new Jeanneau now, which he and his wife both like a lot better (although they haven't had it for more than a few months). I'm sure if we bought a new Jeanneau I'd like it better too. Just about every 35s5 I looked at has sold since we bought ours, including the one that had the mast dropped on the deck...and that boat sold for 56K. RB 35s5 NY |
C&C 99 vs 35s5
BTW the 35s5 that was in our marina is gone, sold to
Florida. The owner has a new Jeanneau now, which he and his wife both like a lot better (although they haven't had it for more than a few months). "Capt" Rob wrote: I'm sure if we bought a new Jeanneau I'd like it better too. Sorry for the typo. Should have said new-er. It's not a brand new boat, in fact it's a model they don't make any more. .... Just about every 35s5 I looked at has sold since we bought ours, including the one that had the mast dropped on the deck...and that boat sold for 56K. They say there's one born every minute. BTW #2 if you're "brokering" boats in the NYC area then you should know something about this boat. http://www.usedboats.com/used-boat-649541.htm What's teh story? DSK |
C&C 99 vs 35s5
"Capt. Rob" wrote in message oups.com... Face it, the 35s5 is a offshore capable boat, proven to be so. The C&C is a racing toy...nice, but crippled by certain design points. RB 35s5 NY Ohhhhhhhhh, dewd, lets us all know when you do one of those "offshore" trips, be sure ta take plenny o pics. Bwahahahahhahhahahahhaahhaahhahahhahahhahahahahaha John Cairns |
C&C 99 vs 35s5
Ohhhhhhhhh, dewd, lets us all know when you do one of those "offshore"
trips, be sure ta take plenny o pics. There's a website for a 35s5 that circumnavigated with a stock boat and someone on the Beneteau list has done it as well. No circumnavigations for a Catalina 28, but the Catalina 27 has done it. RB 35s5 NY |
C&C 99 vs 35s5
"Capt. Rob" wrote in message oups.com... Ohhhhhhhhh, dewd, lets us all know when you do one of those "offshore" trips, be sure ta take plenny o pics. There's a website for a 35s5 that circumnavigated with a stock boat and someone on the Beneteau list has done it as well. No circumnavigations for a Catalina 28, but the Catalina 27 has done it. RB 35s5 NY Think I'll toss this one back for Mooron............. Bwaahhahahahahahahhahahahahhahahhahahahahahha John Cairns |
C&C 99 vs 35s5
Think I'll toss this one back for Mooron.............
Right, because Mooron has circumnavigated and the Nordica 30's do it all the time!!! Bwahahahahahahahhahaha! RB 35s5 NY |
C&C 99 vs 35s5
Commodore Joe Redcloud wrote:
Oh, you're from Maine? You must know Don Ramsey! Oh, you're in show business? What's Bill Cosby really like? Oh, you broker some boats in New York City? You must know about every boat for sale there. Oh, I thought you liked looking things up in the phone book. Besides, unless you are Bobsprit, I wasn't talking to you. DSK |
C&C 99 vs 35s5
Sorry for the typo. Should have said new-er. It's not a
brand new boat, in fact it's a model they don't make any more. If you mean the mid 90's Jeanneau's, they're great. We had a few on our list, but they just weren't to be found. We have a couple at my club (one with a teak deck) and they appear to be nice boats for the money with good performance. A Jeanneau could be in our future for a liveaboard. RB 35s5 NY |
C&C 99 vs 35s5
BTW #2 if you're "brokering" boats in the NYC area then you
should know something about this boat. Yep, former boat of Sherry Carter's who's husband Glen died last season. She's finally selling it and will let go for cheap. The engine was replaced two years ago with a rebuild, but she doesn't know it because it blew when he was aboard with Sylvia Wilkenson, Sherry's half sister who was once a Rockette for 2 seasons. I'm not pointing any fingers, but the engine fried after a grounding and Sherry never new the engine was swapped. You do the math. The boat is generally solid, though there are a lot of stress cracks in the cockpit-common for that model. There are also some cracks at the step due to an overtuned rig, but that happened before Glen had it as he was a rigger for Shore Inc. before they went under. The interior is nice, bad bad coffee stain on the starboard settee. Someone etched their name into the aft-starboard port, which is plastic. Glen tried to get rid of it with a red-hot butter knife blade and made a mess of it. It needs to be replaced as it leaks anyway. I refused the boat for brokerage because Glen got drunk aboard Ghost 5 years ago and got fresh with one of the girls half his age. I felt it would be wrong to make money on it after that distasteful event and Sherry is rich from her Home Depot shares anyway. Hope this helps. RB 35s5 NY |
C&C 99 vs 35s5
You would have to get drunk (beer goggles) to go after one of the Ghast
Ghouls! Amen! "Capt. Rob" wrote in message ups.com... BTW #2 if you're "brokering" boats in the NYC area then you should know something about this boat. Yep, former boat of Sherry Carter's who's husband Glen died last season. She's finally selling it and will let go for cheap. The engine was replaced two years ago with a rebuild, but she doesn't know it because it blew when he was aboard with Sylvia Wilkenson, Sherry's half sister who was once a Rockette for 2 seasons. I'm not pointing any fingers, but the engine fried after a grounding and Sherry never new the engine was swapped. You do the math. The boat is generally solid, though there are a lot of stress cracks in the cockpit-common for that model. There are also some cracks at the step due to an overtuned rig, but that happened before Glen had it as he was a rigger for Shore Inc. before they went under. The interior is nice, bad bad coffee stain on the starboard settee. Someone etched their name into the aft-starboard port, which is plastic. Glen tried to get rid of it with a red-hot butter knife blade and made a mess of it. It needs to be replaced as it leaks anyway. I refused the boat for brokerage because Glen got drunk aboard Ghost 5 years ago and got fresh with one of the girls half his age. I felt it would be wrong to make money on it after that distasteful event and Sherry is rich from her Home Depot shares anyway. Hope this helps. RB 35s5 NY |
C&C 99 vs 35s5
You would have to get drunk (beer goggles) to go after one of the Ghast
Ghouls! Yeah! No one would like these girls!!! http://members.aol.com/bobsprit/images/nuriah.jpg http://members.aol.com/bobsprit/images/sarasara2.jpg Bob C., you've never EVER sailed with a pretty girl or enjoyed sweet nectar at anchor! NEVER EVER! http://members.aol.com/bobsprit/images/liz22web.jpg BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! RB 35s5 NY |
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