Maxprop wrote:
There are more, but this is a start. I'm sure others have good suggestions
as well.


How can you mention Ericsons and Irwins in the same post??

But it's just a damned shame that the 35s5--best boat ever created--doesn't
meet your needs. Think of it: fast as an offshore powerboat, better
looking than Brittney Spears, PHRF of -4000, accommodations for dozens,
including a toddler, fine French joinerwork, and did I mention better
looking than Brittney Spears? OH, and it has a by-God swim platform.
Please reconsider . . .


I've been curious... how does one swim on a platform? I've
always thought you had to be in the water.

DSK

How can you mention Ericsons and Irwins in the same post??


I wonder if Doug has ever seen a good Irwin.

RB
35s5
NY

"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
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How can you mention Ericsons and Irwins in the same post??


I wonder if Doug has ever seen a *good Irwin.*

I believe that is an oxymoron.

Max

Capt. Rob wrote:
How can you mention Ericsons and Irwins in the same post??


I wonder if Doug has ever seen a good Irwin.

RB
35s5
NY


There is no such thing as a good Irwin...

NY

There is no such thing as a good Irwin...


You're education on boats is based on heresay. Some Irwins held up
nicely, while others are plagued by soft decks and worse. Ive brokered
two Irwins (one 31 was very nice) and seen five more at least. On the
other hand every older Ericson I've ever seen had deck issues. I
would't buy either unless I was in Scotty's sad shoes...and even then
I'd still wait and buy a Pearson
The current Irwin I'm selling is a disaster.


RB
35s5
NY

"DSK" wrote in message
...
Maxprop wrote:
There are more, but this is a start. I'm sure others have good
suggestions as well.


How can you mention Ericsons and Irwins in the same post??

I know it's a stretch of the imagination, but they are in the same resale
price range. While the Ericsons are well-built, performance-type cruisers,
the Irwins are big-ass bathtub-like cruisers with lots of interior space and
substandard construction. Amazingly they resell very well. People seem to
be unable to look beyond the voluminous interior. A friend owned a 37'
Irwin up until this past fall--we tried repeatedly to bury the rail on the
damn thing, but never could--not even in 30+kts. That sort of stiffness
tends to instill confidence in those who are too ignorant to realize just
how poorly constructed they are.


But it's just a damned shame that the 35s5--best boat ever
created--doesn't meet your needs. Think of it: fast as an offshore
powerboat, better looking than Brittney Spears, PHRF of -4000,
accommodations for dozens, including a toddler, fine French joinerwork,
and did I mention better looking than Brittney Spears? OH, and it has a
by-God swim platform. Please reconsider . . .


I've been curious... how does one swim on a platform? I've always thought
you had to be in the water.

Ask Bubbles. My boat ain't got one.

Max

I wonder if Doug has ever seen a *good Irwin.*



I believe that is an oxymoron.


FYI, there are some BAD Irwins out there and some very good ones. I've
brokered both. Both ericson and Irwin are known for bad decks. In fact
I've never seen an older Ericson with dry decks.

RB
35s5
NY

"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
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I wonder if Doug has ever seen a *good Irwin.*



I believe that is an oxymoron.


FYI, there are some BAD Irwins out there and some very good ones. I've
brokered both.

Even the larger Irwins--those in the 50'+ range--have serious construction
issues. Ted Irwin didn't build these boats with the same philosophy as the
higher-end builders, and it shows. If you've brokered "good" Irwins, I'd
suggest you were looking more at condition than quality of construction.

Both ericson and Irwin are known for bad decks.

So are C&C, Tartan, Catalina, Hunter, and myriad others. Any boat with a
wood core of any type in the deck layup faces that problem. Irwins, unlike
Ericsons, made some things horribly cheaply, such as locker access covers
on the side decks. Some are so thin that just stepping on them makes them
crack, and a heavy individual will go right through them. You won't find
that on an Ericson.

In fact
I've never seen an older Ericson with dry decks.

I've never seen any older boat with a wood core in the deck remain dry; not
even the end-grain balsa cores. A friend's Tartan 34 is so wet over the
forepeak that it squishes when walked upon. Irwins are no worse than others
in this regard, but the glasswork and layup quality just isn't in the same
league as more expensive boats.

Max

Maxprop wrote:
"DSK" wrote in message
...

Maxprop wrote:

There are more, but this is a start. I'm sure others have good
suggestions as well.


How can you mention Ericsons and Irwins in the same post??


I know it's a stretch of the imagination, but they are in the same resale
price range. While the Ericsons are well-built, performance-type cruisers,
the Irwins are big-ass bathtub-like cruisers with lots of interior space and
substandard construction. Amazingly they resell very well. People seem to
be unable to look beyond the voluminous interior. A friend owned a 37'
Irwin up until this past fall--we tried repeatedly to bury the rail on the
damn thing, but never could--not even in 30+kts.

Glad to hear he finally got rid of that leaky thing...hope they got
a better one....
That sort of stiffness
tends to instill confidence in those who are too ignorant to realize just
how poorly constructed they are.


But it's just a damned shame that the 35s5--best boat ever
created--doesn't meet your needs. Think of it: fast as an offshore
powerboat, better looking than Brittney Spears, PHRF of -4000,
accommodations for dozens, including a toddler, fine French joinerwork,
and did I mention better looking than Brittney Spears? OH, and it has a
by-God swim platform. Please reconsider . . .


I've been curious... how does one swim on a platform? I've always thought
you had to be in the water.


Ask Bubbles. My boat ain't got one.

Max

How can you mention Ericsons and Irwins in the same post??




Maxprop wrote:
I know it's a stretch of the imagination, but they are in the same
resale price range.

Well, that just goes to show that the marketplace ain't
everything. Irwins were well advertised and mass numbers
were built, so they have a type of appeal (familiarity?) and
for some types of sailor they are practical boats.

.... While the Ericsons are well-built,
performance-type cruisers, the Irwins are big-ass bathtub-like
cruisers with lots of interior space and substandard construction.

No, Irwin built a number of racier boats too... they even
called some of them "competition" models. Some of them sail
well and the K/CB models might make the start of a pretty
good shoal-draft low-budget fun cruiser.

Ted Irwin was a top racing skipper in his day, he had the
Irwin factory built a number of custom boats for him and
these were the basis of a few production models.


Amazingly they resell very well. People seem to be unable to look
beyond the voluminous interior.

Well, that's a desirable feature, no? Reflected in the
marketplace?

... A friend owned a 37' Irwin up until
this past fall--we tried repeatedly to bury the rail on the damn
thing, but never could--not even in 30+kts.


No spinnaker, I take it.....

katy wrote:
Glad to hear he finally got rid of that leaky thing...hope they got a
better one....

Lots & lots of boats on the market right now, that's fer shure.


.... That sort of stiffness
tends to instill confidence in those who are too ignorant to realize
just how poorly constructed they are.

High initial stability is also a desirable feature,
reflected in the marketplace... but I happen to agree that
the overal worth of a boat is more subtle & complex than
that. As far as I care, let them all buy Irwins... it will
leave more choices for me.

Actually, a good friend of mine is probably going to buy one
of the center-cockpit Irwin 37s for a live-aboard...
basically a semi-portable waterfront condo. Not likely he'll
ever take the thing out of the ICW and the budget picture
makes more sense than real estate in his neighborhood.

Fresh Breezes- Doug King