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Bjarke Christensen wrote:

Ohh I like Petes and Grahams posts.

They show exactly what I mean. People want different products. As as long as
companies are producing these boats (heavt or light, cheap og expensive,
blue or white), people know what they are bying and are satisfied with what
they got I see no problem.

I happens to be a Maxi freak (That is .... "Maxi Yacht freak" not Maxi ...
well ... ) with 2 Maxi's so far looking for no 3. So I like Petes example.
And I realise that I could get more boat for the money if a bought a
Bavaria; but I choose not to because I like Maxi and all my Maxi friends

Oh dear, you're making me want one even more :-(

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"Pete Styles" wrote in message
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Oh dear, you're making me want one even more :-(

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On Mon, 23 Jan 2006 21:11:29 UTC, "MJ" wrote:

: 9001:2000 was designed to reduce the document burden on companies (although
: sometimes the auditors have the opposite effect, but this is not the fault
: of the standard)

A useful rule of thumb is never, ever to do serious business with any
company which has wasted time on these useless standards which they
could have used on making better stuff cheaper.

Like fishtanks in reception, BS5750 and all its demon spawn are
symptoms of a company in terminal decline. Don't trade with them, Sell
their shares.

Ian

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"Pete Styles" wrote in message
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Bjarke Christensen wrote:

Ohh I like Petes and Grahams posts.

They show exactly what I mean. People want different products. As as long
as companies are producing these boats (heavt or light, cheap og
expensive, blue or white), people know what they are bying and are
satisfied with what they got I see no problem.

I happens to be a Maxi freak (That is .... "Maxi Yacht freak" not Maxi ...
well ... ) with 2 Maxi's so far looking for no 3. So I like Petes example.
And I realise that I could get more boat for the money if a bought a
Bavaria; but I choose not to because I like Maxi and all my Maxi friends

Oh dear, you're making me want one even more :-(

Isn't the EU lottery up to 100 million or some such crazy figure at the
moment? Win that and you can buy a fleet of Maxis - and a Crealock for me
please.

Graham.

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"Bjarke Christensen" (nej, det skal
selvfølgelig være med K da jeg er dansker) skrev i en
meddelelse
. dk...
Sorry, if it's was a bit over-populistic. What I had in
mind was just that 25% of the boats in the Challenge,
Volvo Ocean race and so on are facing equipment problem. -
and we don't judge these bad quality. Just "high tech".

No doubt that Bavaria 42 Match has a problem. - and
thereby Bavaria as such

Sorry for the customers that spend money on these. I guess
it will be hard to get a good price on a used 42 Match
without extensive, and expensive, improvements to the
hull.

I'm not especially fund of Bavaria. I just think I should
counterbalance the little group of sailors that seems to
think that onle ineffective, non-computerised oldfashioned
work is "good quality".

Remember the definition of "good qulity": That is when you
get exactly what you expect. Good or bad.

Bjarke

Hi Bjarke,

In the late summer of 2003 we were looking at a larger -
"new/second hand" - sailboat. We were talking to several
different brokers and visiting many marinas, and what really
surprised me was, that in three cases we saw different
models of pretty new Bavarias on land with a big (big!)
whole in the hull where the aftermost part of the keel is
mounted to the hull ... Whether it has something to do with
the people sailing the Bavarias or it has something to do
with the construction of the same boats ... I don't know ...

Anyway, we decided for another boat make, and that was
fortunate enough, as we in 2005 did hit something very hard
while sailing above 8 knots in fresh wind ..., but because
of the construction of the hull and keel with a very strong
frame inside the hull on which the keel is bolted with many
bolts, the damage was not that bad (but bad enough ...), at
least, we did not miss the keel, and the boat did not leak
.... so we could continue the sailing ... but the floor in
the cabin and the keel was in pretty bad shape - and we were
shocked ...

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Flemming Torp
'kun en tåbe frygter ikke haven'