I'm looking at purchasing a Beneteau First, either a 25.7 or 27.7.

Has anyone any advice to give either positive or negative.

How well do they stand up to sea conditions etc.

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Adrian Smith

'm looking at purchasing a Beneteau First, either a 25.7 or 27.7.


Has anyone any advice to give either positive or negative.


Adirain, most of the folks here don't have any experience with newer
boats like a 27.7. You need to join the Beneteau sailnet.com groups and
ask there. My own experience is that the newer boats have less quality
below, but this applies less to the boats you're looking at of course.

Good luck,


RB
Beneteau 35s5
NY

"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
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'm looking at purchasing a Beneteau First, either a 25.7 or 27.7.


Has anyone any advice to give either positive or negative.


Adirain, most of the folks here don't have any experience with newer
boats like a 27.7. You need to join the Beneteau sailnet.com groups and
ask there. My own experience is that the newer boats have less quality
below, but this applies less to the boats you're looking at of course.

Good luck,


RB
Beneteau 35s5
NY


Can't find anything on there about the new Beneteau Firsts, ie the 25.7 or
27.7.

I'll keep looking and obviously ask questions there.

Thanks for the tip.
--
Adrian Smith

On 17 Jan 2006, "Adrian Smith" wrote:

I'm looking at purchasing a Beneteau First, either
a 25.7 or 27.7. Has anyone any advice to give either
positive or negative. How well do they stand up to
sea conditions etc.

Because there haven't been many sales of these newer boats in the
U.S., you might do better pursuing questioning French and other
European oriented sailing groups.

The last most recent precursor sold/marketed in the U.S. was the 33.7,
which is well built but was pretty much of a bust in terms of
performance (in most conditions, it didn't sail faster than a
well-sailed non-"First" series "cruising" oriented B331, its closest
B-made boat in terms of size, etc.), although the well performing B
36.7 has become very popular in numerous parts of the U.S.

well built but was pretty much of a bust in terms of
performance (in most conditions, it didn't sail faster than a
well-sailed non-"First" series "cruising" oriented B331, its closest
B-made boat in terms of size, etc.),


A first 33.7 will sail circles around any Oceanus 331 across the board.
Check the specs, read the ratings and check with owners. They are
vastly different performing boats.

RB
35s5
NY

Adrian, I think you are looking at the right sort of boat
for a fun daysailor or weekender.

You might want to check out this new design based
on many sailors, and being built in China.

The Flying Tiger 10-Meter
http://www.mauisailingnews.com/ft10m/
http://www.sailmag.com/boatreviews/FlyingTiger/

I think the FT-10 will become a cult boat based on the
interaction of the design with the sailing community,
coupled with it's low production costs. And it fits in
a shipping container--making it a worldwide sailor--
sort of.

My feeling is the Bent-e-toads are not going to be
very popular. 4850.16 lb weight for the 27.7 is a bit
heavier than the FT-10 at 4300 lbs.

It could be trailered with permits so each could travel.
And it's beamy enough to provide some form stablity and
useable space. I'm surprized the 27.7 doesn't have twin
rudders like the 25.7

What is the price for these two? More than the FT-10
at $44k.

I'd like to know more about these boats. If you
find out anything more, please report back with
your findings.



"Adrian Smith" wrote

I'm looking at purchasing a Beneteau First, either a 25.7 or 27.7.

Has anyone any advice to give either positive or negative.

How well do they stand up to sea conditions etc.

--
Adrian Smith

What is the price for these two? More than the FT-10
at $44k.


The FT-10 is no longer 44K. That was a pre-production price and it's
done. It remains to be seen how the FT-10 will do or hold up. The FT-10
is also bigger than either of the Beneteaus of course. If the FT-10 is
a dud it will be worth almost nothing. At least the Beneteau's will
have some value being from a major builder. The layout of the larger
FT-10 looks to be better for the occasional cruise.


RB
35s5
NY

On 17 Jan 2006, "Capt. Rob" wrote:

well built but was pretty much of a bust in terms of
performance (in most conditions, it didn't sail faster than a
well-sailed non-"First" series "cruising" oriented B331, its closest
B-made boat in terms of size, etc.),

A first 33.7 will sail circles around any Oceanus 331 across the board.
Check the specs, read the ratings and check with owners. They are
vastly different performing boats.

I don't have to check the specs because my statement you quote above
is based on substantial direct experience sailing both (although the
key sales guy for one of the two main B dealers in the area had also
noted the what he termed "embarrassment" associated with this
factoid). And, BTW, why do you think B isn't marketing the B 33.7 at
least on the U.S. coasts except in the most passive of ways?

What is the price for these two? More than the FT-10
at $44k.


I'm not even sure any dealers have plans to import either of
these two. The Beneteau 10R

Capt. Rob wrote:
The FT-10 is no longer 44K. That was a pre-production price and it's
done.

IIRC that was the price before it was agreed that everybody
wanted the carbon fiber mast.

... It remains to be seen how the FT-10 will do or hold up. The FT-10
is also bigger than either of the Beneteaus of course. If the FT-10 is
a dud it will be worth almost nothing.

At 80-something boats, it's already a bigger one-design
class than many.

And it's unlikely that a hi-tech sports boat will drop to
"worth almost nothing."

.... At least the Beneteau's will
have some value being from a major builder.

Spoken like a person who bases his opinion of a boat on the
advertising.

DSK

Spoken like a person who bases his opinion of a boat on the
advertising.

Capt. Rob wrote:
No, Doug. Spoken like a person who brokered three Beneteau's last year

Yeah, I bet.


... But leave it to you to start a troll
in yet another good sailing thread.


Have you sailed an F25.7 or F27.7, which is what this thread
started out as?

No?

Then why did you "troll" this thread, to share your opinion
of their advertising layouts?

We're interested in how the boats SAIL, not their relative
marketing strategies.

DSK