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in yet another good sailing thread.


Have you sailed an F25.7 or F27.7, which is what this thread
started out as?

No, Doug. But I did sail a First 35s5, First 32s5 and a 33.7. I also
own a 35s5. I also sailed on a J105 last season (just the once). You,
on the other hand, sail a trawler and your last sailboat was a Hunter
19!!! I did three times the sailing you did last summer and I didn't
even have a boat until October!
My comments were not directed at you nor designed to start a fight as
your's clearly are. You wanna be a big man, but you own a powerboat and
never owned a boat as nice or as fast as mine. You're so bitter, it
stinks like sour grapes in your every response to me. Live with it,
Doug. You own a chunky trawler. I can't imagine why nor do I care much.
I'm sorry for you, but it's not my problem. If anyone needs advice on a
powerboat or low-end Hunter, you're thier man.
Doug, you know some crap about boats, and a lot more about sailing. But
when it comes to boats, design and details on actual cruising/racing
boats I'm 100% certain you're full of ****.
You still NEVER produced a boat to match the features of mine point for
point within the parameters I gave and you don't even understand WHY
you couldn't.

RB
35s5
NY

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We're interested in how the boats SAIL, not their relative
marketing strategies.


Wrong again, Doug. And this just backs up everything I've said about
you. The original question was about any advice positive or negative
and how they stand up to sea conditions. Bart's opinion, while less
than educated, was just fine. My opinion was based on being aboard the
newer 1st series boats. I also let the fellow know that resale might be
something to look into with a major builder vs. one less known. Where's
the bad advice, Doug?
You gave NOTHING because you knew nothing. You haven't been aboard
these boats, but my small response still bugged you because it was more
than you knew. Luckily I had the good sense to send him away from here
to an area where he can speak to owners and folks who have sailed the
boat. Again, more useful than anything you contributed.
Oh, and guess what, Doug? I still own a nicer sailboat than you and I
ALWAYS will. A liveaboard is next for us (When Thomas is five) and you
can bet my wife would never want a trawler.


RB
35s5
NY

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I don't have to check the specs because my statement you quote above
is based on substantial direct experience sailing both

Oh, I'd just "guess" that the 33.7 with more sail area, almost half a
ton less disp. and a PHRF much lower than the 331 indicated it might be
a far better performing boat.

And, BTW, why do you think B isn't marketing the B 33.7 at
least on the U.S. coasts except in the most passive of ways?

Because it's out of production???? Live and learn. Okay, just live.


RB
35s5
NY

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Adrian Smith wrote:
I'm looking at purchasing a Beneteau First, either a 25.7 or 27.7.

Has anyone any advice to give either positive or negative.

How well do they stand up to sea conditions etc.

--
Adrian Smith

After spending a day on my 35s5 I can only suggest you looks at other
cheap production boats.

Find something of quality that will last if taken out of the slip,
beneteaus just are not up to the task.

After all my 35s5 is just a stepping stone, I will sell it for a
profit soon.

You all will crap Mac Trucks when you see my next boat

RB
35s5 Stepping Stone
NY

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Quit talking about things you don't understand
and could never comprehend.

Get back to work swabbing! That meets your
knowledge and capabilities.

"Swabbie Robbie" wrote in message
have some value being from a major builder.

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Sea conditions? It's a day sailor!

Try sailing one Swabbie. Boat show tours don't
count as being "on-board".

You will never catch up to Doug in knowledge or
experience. If you want to communication with Doug
try supplication instead of weak, limp, and lame arguments.

Remember Swabs start at the bottom and work up.
You continue to dig yourself deeper into the mud
and detritus.

"Swabbie Robbie" wrote

Wrong again, Doug. And this just backs up everything I've said about
you. The original question was about any advice positive or negative
and how they stand up to sea conditions. Bart's opinion, while less
than educated, was just fine. My opinion was based on being aboard the
newer 1st series boats. I also let the fellow know that resale might be

Beneteau First
 

Quit talking about things you don't understand
and could never comprehend.


Spoken by a guy who continues to try to assemble his boat from spare
parts, rather than just buy a usable boat and go sailing. Good work,
Bart!


RB
35s5
NY

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Adrian Smith wrote:
I'm looking at purchasing a Beneteau First, either a 25.7 or 27.7.
Has anyone any advice to give either positive or negative.
How well do they stand up to sea conditions etc.

Hey,

I cruised a 27.7 last summer for three days. The wind was between 5 and 20
kts, so I can't say how it handles in rough conditions, but under the
weather me had, I really enjoyed sailing it! The boat is really fast
compared to other 27-footers, especially on open winds.

All the equipment on deck I found more than satisfactory. Cockpit is quite
large for it's class, and it is widened in the aft to allow more space for
the helmsman. Interior is, as I'm sure you know, a bit roughly made with
little wood and plenty of GRP showing. The keel mechanism is easy to operate
with the electonic hydraulic pump.


Markus


--
ELECTRICITY, n.
The power that causes all natural phenomena not known to be caused by
something else. -The Devil's Dictionary

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"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
oups.com...

Adrian Smith wrote:
I'm looking at purchasing a Beneteau First, either a 25.7 or 27.7.

Has anyone any advice to give either positive or negative.

How well do they stand up to sea conditions etc.

--
Adrian Smith

After spending a day on my 35s5 I can only suggest you looks at other
cheap production boats.

Find something of quality that will last if taken out of the slip,
beneteaus just are not up to the task.

After all my 35s5 is just a stepping stone, I will sell it for a
profit soon.

You all will crap Mac Trucks when you see my next boat

RB
35s5 Stepping Stone
NY


What won't last, are you talking about boat structure and essential
equipment or the internal cosmetics etc.

I am looking for a boat that is up to the job when sailing offshore, maybe a
few nights on board but definately not to live aboard.

The internal fitout of the First series is fairly basic but that's fine with
me.

--
Adrian Smith

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..
"Markus Rautanen" wrote in message
...
Adrian Smith wrote:
I'm looking at purchasing a Beneteau First, either a 25.7 or 27.7.
Has anyone any advice to give either positive or negative.
How well do they stand up to sea conditions etc.

Hey,

I cruised a 27.7 last summer for three days. The wind was between 5 and 20
kts, so I can't say how it handles in rough conditions, but under the
weather me had, I really enjoyed sailing it! The boat is really fast
compared to other 27-footers, especially on open winds.

All the equipment on deck I found more than satisfactory. Cockpit is quite
large for it's class, and it is widened in the aft to allow more space for
the helmsman. Interior is, as I'm sure you know, a bit roughly made with
little wood and plenty of GRP showing. The keel mechanism is easy to
operate with the electonic hydraulic pump.


Markus


--
ELECTRICITY, n.
The power that causes all natural phenomena not known to be caused by
something else. -The Devil's Dictionary


Was this a chartered boat, if so where did you charter it from... If you
don't mind me asking?
--
Adrian Smith