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This the first time I have ever seriously perused a list of many PHRF
ratings and Robs boat really isnt that fast compared to some, even if
you consider size it isnt exceptional. It isnt a slug but isnt a
rocket either. My old S2 is about where I would expect compared to
other simialr size racer cruisers of its time, a tad batter than most
but nothing I'd ever notice. I expected the Morgan OI to be so slow as
to not even be on the list but an OI 33 is about 222. Even the
supposedly really good Norsea27 is considered to be slow but it is
really more cruiser. Apparently, there are some really fast boats out
there but I bet they would make lousy cruisers. I am sure all of you
know this but this is the first time I have ever seen an extensive list
of phrf (mostly due to lack of interest).

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This the first time I have ever seriously perused a list of many PHRF
ratings and Robs boat really isnt that fast compared to some, even if
you consider size it isnt exceptional.

That's 100% correct, but it's very fast considering the interior it
has. A C&C 34 R is faster than my boat...and has an awful interior.
It's certainly not going to be a nice family boat. Very few boats have
such nice interiors and roomy cockpits couple with such speed.
Certainlly nothing from Catalina, Pearson, J-Boat, Tartan or Sabre can
compare. On the other hand C&C released the 34XL in the late 80's and
it's a bit faster and also has a nice cabin and deck layout. Other than
that, the 35s5 was pretty much alone in the market when new. Most boats
failed to match her until the late 90's and the current 1st series is
still pretty much alone at the price point.
On the other hand, your S2 is slower than quite a few boats with better
comfort below and superior deck layouts. PHRF of 191 is laughable. I'll
rate 128 here and deep keel versions rate 114. My boat is as fast as a
Swan 36 and that's fast enough. Your boat is a bit faster than an Oday
27...and that's no fun at all.
BTW, the C&C was my #1 choice, but we couldn't find a good one and not
many are around. It has all of the same features of the 35s5 and is
even faster, but it's deep draft would have been a problem. A few
centerboards were built...very rare.
Man...are you ever in a glass house!


RB
35s5
NY

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It still sounds a lot like "My snail is faster than yours"

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I care so little about phrf that I put on a fixed 3 bladed prop.

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I have a 4:1 gear reduction and three blade.

Amen!

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I care so little about phrf that I put on a fixed 3 bladed prop.

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"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
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That's 100% correct, but it's very fast considering the interior it
has.

Is it fast considering it's color too?

. Very few boats have
such nice interiors and roomy cockpits couple with such speed.

Such speed! 4 knots vs 3 knots! Such speed! I believe the correct word is
speed differential. How do you get the bottom paint to stay on at such
speed?

On the other hand, your S2 is slower than quite a few boats with better
comfort below and superior deck layouts. PHRF of 191 is laughable.

Such speed! The acceleration will cause the retinas to bleed! If speed is so
important, get a motor boat. Such speed!

I'll
rate 128 here and deep keel versions rate 114. My boat is as fast as a
Swan 36 and that's fast enough.

Is any faster going to exceed the human body's limits of speed? It's not
fast enough, obviously. Others own boats faster than Swan 36's.


Your boat is a bit faster than an Oday
27...and that's no fun at all.

And your boat is also a bit faster than an Oday 27.


Man...are you ever in a glass house!

You should look at the man in the glass.



RB
35s5
NY

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wrote in message
oups.com...
This the first time I have ever seriously perused a list of many PHRF
ratings and Robs boat really isnt that fast compared to some, even if
you consider size it isnt exceptional. It isnt a slug but isnt a
rocket either. My old S2 is about where I would expect compared to
other simialr size racer cruisers of its time, a tad batter than most
but nothing I'd ever notice. I expected the Morgan OI to be so slow as
to not even be on the list but an OI 33 is about 222. Even the
supposedly really good Norsea27 is considered to be slow but it is
really more cruiser. Apparently, there are some really fast boats out
there but I bet they would make lousy cruisers. I am sure all of you
know this but this is the first time I have ever seen an extensive list
of phrf (mostly due to lack of interest).

There are actually some failry fast cruising boats out there.

Tartan 37, for example. If you google it, look for Tartan 37-2. Quality
build, skeg hung rudder, cruiser bits like a pilot berth.

John Cairns

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Tartan 37, for example. If you google it, look for Tartan 37-2. Quality

build, skeg hung rudder, cruiser bits like a pilot berth.


And still not faster than my 35s5 and worse, no comfortable berth for
anyone who's over 6'1 or so.


RB
35s5
NY

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It still sounds a lot like "My snail is faster than yours"


Well, if you feel that way why start a thread on it? It shows a great
deal of ignorance. My C&C 32 had a rating of around 160 whereas my
Pearson 30 rated closer to 175. The difference was that the C&C was a
lot more fun to sail, just like the J30 was more fun than either, just
like the 35s5 and J34c were more fun than the Tartan 34 or Catalina 36.
If these "small" advantages in performance don't matter to you, that's
fine. But clearly they matter to a lot of sailors who buy First series,
J-Boats and C&Cs. Not all are racers either. Some just prefer the
faster snail.
And Doug is correct in that most sailors won't get too close to sailing
to their ratings. Moreover some ratings are "kinder" than others, yet
in most cases the PHRF ratings do provide a loose idea of the type of
performance you might expect...along with examining the specs of the
boat. Still, nothing beats a sea trial and we were able to sail the
35s5 in varried conditions here and in Florida. Basically she offered
the same kind of fun factor as the J34c with less draft, better
cruising accomodations by far and a better deck layout.

RB
35s5
NY