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"Jim Cate" wrote in message
... JG, please show me where I said that you said the Macs fall apart by the hundreds,or that their crew perish in winds over 15 kts. - What I did say, of course, was: "JG, IF the Macs are that bad, and everyone knows it, why are you wasting all this time and cyberspace? ...... Actually, you have been having a great old time bashing the Mac26M, but so far, you haven't come up with anything at all to back up all your assertions. ARE THEY falling apart by the hundreds all over the world JG? ARE THEIR OWNERS AND CREWS PERISHING if they happen to sail in winds over 15 knots? If so, why not give us some news reports or independent accounts about all this carnage. " I do have a great ole time bashing them!! Admittedly, I only have my own observations, comments from friends who have made observations, and comments from a dealer that they are relatively worthless as either a sailboat or a power boat, that they are flimsy, and should not be sailed in anything but the most protected waters, certainly inappropriate for sailing in the bay. So if, as you keep saying, the Macs are "junk" or, "a pretend sailboat," or "a lousy boat at rip-off prices," etc., then why aren't they falling apart by the hundreds, and why aren't their crews perishing in anything over moderate winds? - As I have said, I don't consider them suitable No idea... dumb luck? The owners usually wise up and sell them to some other fool? Please tell us! for extended blue water crossings or the like. But since there are But, I thought you said before you left on your trip that you were going to do just that and you were going to take some pictures, if for no other reason than to shut me up! Was I wrong? thousands of them on the water (Particularly since they are one of the most popular sailboat ever made and are sailed in all kinds of conditions), and if your assertions were correct, surely there would be All kinds of conditions? Really? All kinds? hundreds of them breaking apart in even moderate weather conditions. To the contrary, if you check any of the Mac discussion groups you will note many owners who have been sailing their Macs for years in a variety of conditions, have sailed other boats, and,when they finally trade in their boats, often choose another Mac. Fortunately, I only have to endure your rantings about your fine vessel. Why would I want to listen to a bunch of other idiots. I meant to say, other proud owners. From what you have said, you haven't even sailed any of the recent models of the Mac26 (e.g., the Mac 26M). Again, you really don't have any first-hand experience with the 26M's, and the nearest experience you have with ANY Macs were several anecdotes about Macs that seemed to be having some type of difficulty in SFbay. (And who on this ng hasn't had "difficulties" in some sailing conditions?) Fortunately, no. I have not. I also have not sailed any new Swans, but I know that by reputation they are pretty well-made. As to anecdotes, I guess mine are just not good enough for you... sigh.... In other words, it's obvious that you really don't have anything to back up your statements about the Macs, JG. - Stupid remarks like: "They Sure I do, but you're not listening. I've already stated that I've seen them "sailing" on the bay. (Quotes are significant here.) junk and look like it" don't contribute anything useful to the ng; they don't help anyone; and they generally short-circuit what might become a balanced, potentially helpful discussion. I'm not short-circuiting anything. You're the one screaming names. I'm just pointing out that not all of us are taken in by the argument that since 1000s are sold, that makes for a good anything. Or are you just another troll JG, as Joe noted? Well, Joe is entitled to his opinions. At least, I respect Joe because he sails a great boat with skill. |
The "Practical" sailor?
Capt. JG wrote: Come on now Jim, don't be so modest. This is usenet after all. I concede that you have a vast amount of experience on your boat.. certain, more than I have!! Perhaps someday, you'll gain enough experience to move up to a decent boat. I also have experience on O'Days, Endeavors, Valiants, Catalinas, Cals, etc., in the 30 ft to 40 ft range. - Large and small, Jon. That's part of the reason I moved up to the Mac 26M. - It's a great boat, fun to sail, and a great value. Incidentally, what, if anything, did your note contribute to this newsgroup? Anything of value or substance? Anything educational? Or are you just another troll? Jim |
The "Practical" sailor?
"Jim Cate" wrote in message Incidentally, what, if anything, did your note contribute to this newsgroup? Anything of value or substance? Anything educational? Or are you just another troll? You'd best give your head a shake and have another look in the mirror.... that's a number 8 Daredevil Lure on your upper lip there Cate. Getting trolled and hooked by a no talent like Ganzy is probably the most embarrassing thing imaginable.... next to owning a Mac 26X. But Heh.... run with it... Ganzy thinks "adjusting the drag" means to straighten his dress.. CM |
The "Practical" sailor?
Capt. JG wrote: "Jim Cate" wrote in message ... JG, please show me where I said that you said the Macs fall apart by the hundreds,or that their crew perish in winds over 15 kts. - What I did say, of course, was: "JG, IF the Macs are that bad, and everyone knows it, why are you wasting all this time and cyberspace? ...... Actually, you have been having a great old time bashing the Mac26M, but so far, you haven't come up with anything at all to back up all your assertions. ARE THEY falling apart by the hundreds all over the world JG? ARE THEIR OWNERS AND CREWS PERISHING if they happen to sail in winds over 15 knots? If so, why not give us some news reports or independent accounts about all this carnage. " I do have a great ole time bashing them!! Admittedly, I only have my own observations, comments from friends who have made observations, and comments from a dealer that they are relatively worthless as either a sailboat or a power boat, that they are flimsy, and should not be sailed in anything but the most protected waters, certainly inappropriate for sailing in the bay. Actually, of course, you have very little information about, or experience, with the current Mac 26M series. Right Jon? Also, would you please give me the name of that particular Mac dealer Jon? I would really like to get his side of the discussion, and compare it with your version! So if, as you keep saying, the Macs are "junk" or, "a pretend sailboat," or "a lousy boat at rip-off prices," etc., then why aren't they falling apart by the hundreds, and why aren't their crews perishing in anything over moderate winds? - As I have said, I don't consider them suitable No idea... dumb luck? The owners usually wise up and sell them to some other fool? Please tell us! "Dumb luck" Jon??? That just doesn't cut it. - If the boats were junk, as you claim, then we Mac owners wouldn't be sailing them in locations around the world, and we would get rid of our Macs as soon as we could. - But we don't. Most of us have experience on various other boats, and most of us enjoy sailing the Macs, which is why we keep them. or extended blue water crossings or the like. But since there are But, I thought you said before you left on your trip that you were going to do just that and you were going to take some pictures, if for no other reason than to shut me up! Was I wrong? Yep. You were wrong. - I didn't say anything about pictures Jon. In any event, you need to get your story straight, beginning with what I actually said (not what you inferred) about our cruise. - Again, my Mac has no dining room, health club, room service, casino, etc., and my wife came with me on this trip. - thousands of them on the water (Particularly since they are one of the most popular sailboat ever made and are sailed in all kinds of conditions), and if your assertions were correct, surely there would be All kinds of conditions? Really? All kinds? I've discussed this previously Jon. - Check my earlier notes. Mac owners are sailing their boats all over the world in blue water, bays, Great Lakes, the Mediterainin, waters off Austrailia, etc. . hundreds of them breaking apart in even moderate weather conditions. To the contrary, if you check any of the Mac discussion groups you will note many owners who have been sailing their Macs for years in a variety of conditions, have sailed other boats, and,when they finally trade in their boats, often choose another Mac. Fortunately, I only have to endure your rantings about your fine vessel. Why would I want to listen to a bunch of other idiots. I meant to say, other proud owners. Because you are a troll, and that might give you opportunities to send "Mac-bashing notes" to other Mac owners. From what you have said, you haven't even sailed any of the recent models of the Mac26 (e.g., the Mac 26M). Again, you really don't have any first-hand experience with the 26M's, and the nearest experience you have with ANY Macs were several anecdotes about Macs that seemed to be having some type of difficulty in SFbay. (And who on this ng hasn't had "difficulties" in some sailing conditions?) Fortunately, no. I have not. I also have not sailed any new Swans, but I know that by reputation they are pretty well-made. As to anecdotes, I guess mine are just not good enough for you... sigh.... Again, you're missing the point Jon. Which was that anecdotes, such as your stories, aren't evidence. You are bashing a boat that is enjoyed by thousands of people, yet you have no evidence or statistics to back up your childish rantings other than a couple of anecdotes plus "your side" only of a purported conversation with a Mac dealer. (Again, what were the "extensive upgrades" the dealer recommended, Jon?? A reefing system perhaps?? VHS radio? Extra anchor line maybe? PFD's, perhaps? ) Real extensive upgrades, right Jon? In other words, it's obvious that you really don't have anything to back up your statements about the Macs, JG. - Stupid remarks like: "They Sure I do, but you're not listening. I've already stated that I've seen them "sailing" on the bay. (Quotes are significant here.) junk and look like it" don't contribute anything useful to the ng; they don't help anyone; and they generally short-circuit what might become a balanced, potentially helpful discussion. I'm not short-circuiting anything. You're the one screaming names. I'm just pointing out that not all of us are taken in by the argument that since 1000s are sold, that makes for a good anything. Again, you are only demonstrating your complete ignorance of the basic principles of logic and statistics Jon. - The fact that 1000's have been sold wasn't given as evidence that the boats are of high quality (although they are). It was given as evidence that, if your statements (Macs are junk) were true, then we would see hundreds of them falling apart, foundering, etc.. Again, how many of them have "fallen apart" in the SF bay? 200? 100? And what, exactly is the "extensive upgrade work" the dealer recommends? Once again, you spout off those generalities with only an anecdote to back it up. In contrast, on the Mac discussion groups, there are many reports of Macs being sailed on the SF Bay as well as up and down the California coast. Where's your evidence that the Mac rigging is failing or coming apart, Johnny? What statistics do you have on the number of Macs on which the rigging failed? Jon, you urgently need to take a course in basic logic. - You simply don't get it. - Or are you just another troll JG, as Joe noted? Well, Joe is entitled to his opinions. At least, I respect Joe because he sails a great boat with skill. You obviously ARE a troll. - It's clear that you have no interest whatsoever in any rational, balanced, factual discussion of the subject. Jim |
The "Practical" sailor?
Why do I not believe you if you settled on a MaccrapM??
Moved up!!! hahahaahahaha... now that really *is* funny. Never. I never contribute anything of substance to this or any other newsgroup. I'm a drain on society. Such is what you find on usenet. Feel free to killfile me any time! -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Jim Cate" wrote in message ... Capt. JG wrote: Come on now Jim, don't be so modest. This is usenet after all. I concede that you have a vast amount of experience on your boat.. certain, more than I have!! Perhaps someday, you'll gain enough experience to move up to a decent boat. I also have experience on O'Days, Endeavors, Valiants, Catalinas, Cals, etc., in the 30 ft to 40 ft range. - Large and small, Jon. That's part of the reason I moved up to the Mac 26M. - It's a great boat, fun to sail, and a great value. Incidentally, what, if anything, did your note contribute to this newsgroup? Anything of value or substance? Anything educational? Or are you just another troll? Jim |
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Mooron, you should really stick to backhanding yourself. You're much better
at it! -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Capt.Mooron" wrote in message news:E_zwf.73712$AP5.41738@edtnps84... "Jim Cate" wrote in message Incidentally, what, if anything, did your note contribute to this newsgroup? Anything of value or substance? Anything educational? Or are you just another troll? You'd best give your head a shake and have another look in the mirror.... that's a number 8 Daredevil Lure on your upper lip there Cate. Getting trolled and hooked by a no talent like Ganzy is probably the most embarrassing thing imaginable.... next to owning a Mac 26X. But Heh.... run with it... Ganzy thinks "adjusting the drag" means to straighten his dress.. CM |
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Good Grief... you've swallowed the hook!!!
Now it's either the pliers or the club! CM "Jim Cate" wrote in message ... Capt. JG wrote: "Jim Cate" wrote in message ... JG, please show me where I said that you said the Macs fall apart by the hundreds,or that their crew perish in winds over 15 kts. - What I did say, of course, was: "JG, IF the Macs are that bad, and everyone knows it, why are you wasting all this time and cyberspace? ...... Actually, you have been having a great old time bashing the Mac26M, but so far, you haven't come up with anything at all to back up all your assertions. ARE THEY falling apart by the hundreds all over the world JG? ARE THEIR OWNERS AND CREWS PERISHING if they happen to sail in winds over 15 knots? If so, why not give us some news reports or independent accounts about all this carnage. " I do have a great ole time bashing them!! Admittedly, I only have my own observations, comments from friends who have made observations, and comments from a dealer that they are relatively worthless as either a sailboat or a power boat, that they are flimsy, and should not be sailed in anything but the most protected waters, certainly inappropriate for sailing in the bay. Actually, of course, you have very little information about, or experience, with the current Mac 26M series. Right Jon? Also, would you please give me the name of that particular Mac dealer Jon? I would really like to get his side of the discussion, and compare it with your version! So if, as you keep saying, the Macs are "junk" or, "a pretend sailboat," or "a lousy boat at rip-off prices," etc., then why aren't they falling apart by the hundreds, and why aren't their crews perishing in anything over moderate winds? - As I have said, I don't consider them suitable No idea... dumb luck? The owners usually wise up and sell them to some other fool? Please tell us! "Dumb luck" Jon??? That just doesn't cut it. - If the boats were junk, as you claim, then we Mac owners wouldn't be sailing them in locations around the world, and we would get rid of our Macs as soon as we could. - But we don't. Most of us have experience on various other boats, and most of us enjoy sailing the Macs, which is why we keep them. or extended blue water crossings or the like. But since there are But, I thought you said before you left on your trip that you were going to do just that and you were going to take some pictures, if for no other reason than to shut me up! Was I wrong? Yep. You were wrong. - I didn't say anything about pictures Jon. In any event, you need to get your story straight, beginning with what I actually said (not what you inferred) about our cruise. - Again, my Mac has no dining room, health club, room service, casino, etc., and my wife came with me on this trip. - thousands of them on the water (Particularly since they are one of the most popular sailboat ever made and are sailed in all kinds of conditions), and if your assertions were correct, surely there would be All kinds of conditions? Really? All kinds? I've discussed this previously Jon. - Check my earlier notes. Mac owners are sailing their boats all over the world in blue water, bays, Great Lakes, the Mediterainin, waters off Austrailia, etc. . hundreds of them breaking apart in even moderate weather conditions. To the contrary, if you check any of the Mac discussion groups you will note many owners who have been sailing their Macs for years in a variety of conditions, have sailed other boats, and,when they finally trade in their boats, often choose another Mac. Fortunately, I only have to endure your rantings about your fine vessel. Why would I want to listen to a bunch of other idiots. I meant to say, other proud owners. Because you are a troll, and that might give you opportunities to send "Mac-bashing notes" to other Mac owners. From what you have said, you haven't even sailed any of the recent models of the Mac26 (e.g., the Mac 26M). Again, you really don't have any first-hand experience with the 26M's, and the nearest experience you have with ANY Macs were several anecdotes about Macs that seemed to be having some type of difficulty in SFbay. (And who on this ng hasn't had "difficulties" in some sailing conditions?) Fortunately, no. I have not. I also have not sailed any new Swans, but I know that by reputation they are pretty well-made. As to anecdotes, I guess mine are just not good enough for you... sigh.... Again, you're missing the point Jon. Which was that anecdotes, such as your stories, aren't evidence. You are bashing a boat that is enjoyed by thousands of people, yet you have no evidence or statistics to back up your childish rantings other than a couple of anecdotes plus "your side" only of a purported conversation with a Mac dealer. (Again, what were the "extensive upgrades" the dealer recommended, Jon?? A reefing system perhaps?? VHS radio? Extra anchor line maybe? PFD's, perhaps? ) Real extensive upgrades, right Jon? In other words, it's obvious that you really don't have anything to back up your statements about the Macs, JG. - Stupid remarks like: "They Sure I do, but you're not listening. I've already stated that I've seen them "sailing" on the bay. (Quotes are significant here.) junk and look like it" don't contribute anything useful to the ng; they don't help anyone; and they generally short-circuit what might become a balanced, potentially helpful discussion. I'm not short-circuiting anything. You're the one screaming names. I'm just pointing out that not all of us are taken in by the argument that since 1000s are sold, that makes for a good anything. Again, you are only demonstrating your complete ignorance of the basic principles of logic and statistics Jon. - The fact that 1000's have been sold wasn't given as evidence that the boats are of high quality (although they are). It was given as evidence that, if your statements (Macs are junk) were true, then we would see hundreds of them falling apart, foundering, etc.. Again, how many of them have "fallen apart" in the SF bay? 200? 100? And what, exactly is the "extensive upgrade work" the dealer recommends? Once again, you spout off those generalities with only an anecdote to back it up. In contrast, on the Mac discussion groups, there are many reports of Macs being sailed on the SF Bay as well as up and down the California coast. Where's your evidence that the Mac rigging is failing or coming apart, Johnny? What statistics do you have on the number of Macs on which the rigging failed? Jon, you urgently need to take a course in basic logic. - You simply don't get it. - Or are you just another troll JG, as Joe noted? Well, Joe is entitled to his opinions. At least, I respect Joe because he sails a great boat with skill. You obviously ARE a troll. - It's clear that you have no interest whatsoever in any rational, balanced, factual discussion of the subject. Jim |
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You're right.. zero experience on the MaccrapM! You got me there.
Sorry, but I don't think it would be appropriate for me to give out his name. He loves making money from fools like you, and I wouldn't want to spoil it for him. In your case, dumb luck is just about right! You're incredibly delusional if you think owning a MaccrapM is owning a quality boat. I'm sorry for you. I'm sorry that you think anyone is going to take you seriously. Honestly, there's nothing wrong with you owning a boat that fits your bill for the kind of sailing you do, apparently. Just don't try to tell people who are interested in a quality boat that the MaccrapM qualifies without extensive refit. It's really pathetic and makes you look dumber than I'm sure you are. Why would I want to send things to other MaccrapM owners? I'm sure they have enough of their own problems! But, keep posting. It's kinda amusing. Really! -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Jim Cate" wrote in message ... Capt. JG wrote: "Jim Cate" wrote in message ... JG, please show me where I said that you said the Macs fall apart by the hundreds,or that their crew perish in winds over 15 kts. - What I did say, of course, was: "JG, IF the Macs are that bad, and everyone knows it, why are you wasting all this time and cyberspace? ...... Actually, you have been having a great old time bashing the Mac26M, but so far, you haven't come up with anything at all to back up all your assertions. ARE THEY falling apart by the hundreds all over the world JG? ARE THEIR OWNERS AND CREWS PERISHING if they happen to sail in winds over 15 knots? If so, why not give us some news reports or independent accounts about all this carnage. " I do have a great ole time bashing them!! Admittedly, I only have my own observations, comments from friends who have made observations, and comments from a dealer that they are relatively worthless as either a sailboat or a power boat, that they are flimsy, and should not be sailed in anything but the most protected waters, certainly inappropriate for sailing in the bay. Actually, of course, you have very little information about, or experience, with the current Mac 26M series. Right Jon? Also, would you please give me the name of that particular Mac dealer Jon? I would really like to get his side of the discussion, and compare it with your version! So if, as you keep saying, the Macs are "junk" or, "a pretend sailboat," or "a lousy boat at rip-off prices," etc., then why aren't they falling apart by the hundreds, and why aren't their crews perishing in anything over moderate winds? - As I have said, I don't consider them suitable No idea... dumb luck? The owners usually wise up and sell them to some other fool? Please tell us! "Dumb luck" Jon??? That just doesn't cut it. - If the boats were junk, as you claim, then we Mac owners wouldn't be sailing them in locations around the world, and we would get rid of our Macs as soon as we could. - But we don't. Most of us have experience on various other boats, and most of us enjoy sailing the Macs, which is why we keep them. or extended blue water crossings or the like. But since there are But, I thought you said before you left on your trip that you were going to do just that and you were going to take some pictures, if for no other reason than to shut me up! Was I wrong? Yep. You were wrong. - I didn't say anything about pictures Jon. In any event, you need to get your story straight, beginning with what I actually said (not what you inferred) about our cruise. - Again, my Mac has no dining room, health club, room service, casino, etc., and my wife came with me on this trip. - thousands of them on the water (Particularly since they are one of the most popular sailboat ever made and are sailed in all kinds of conditions), and if your assertions were correct, surely there would be All kinds of conditions? Really? All kinds? I've discussed this previously Jon. - Check my earlier notes. Mac owners are sailing their boats all over the world in blue water, bays, Great Lakes, the Mediterainin, waters off Austrailia, etc. . hundreds of them breaking apart in even moderate weather conditions. To the contrary, if you check any of the Mac discussion groups you will note many owners who have been sailing their Macs for years in a variety of conditions, have sailed other boats, and,when they finally trade in their boats, often choose another Mac. Fortunately, I only have to endure your rantings about your fine vessel. Why would I want to listen to a bunch of other idiots. I meant to say, other proud owners. Because you are a troll, and that might give you opportunities to send "Mac-bashing notes" to other Mac owners. From what you have said, you haven't even sailed any of the recent models of the Mac26 (e.g., the Mac 26M). Again, you really don't have any first-hand experience with the 26M's, and the nearest experience you have with ANY Macs were several anecdotes about Macs that seemed to be having some type of difficulty in SFbay. (And who on this ng hasn't had "difficulties" in some sailing conditions?) Fortunately, no. I have not. I also have not sailed any new Swans, but I know that by reputation they are pretty well-made. As to anecdotes, I guess mine are just not good enough for you... sigh.... Again, you're missing the point Jon. Which was that anecdotes, such as your stories, aren't evidence. You are bashing a boat that is enjoyed by thousands of people, yet you have no evidence or statistics to back up your childish rantings other than a couple of anecdotes plus "your side" only of a purported conversation with a Mac dealer. (Again, what were the "extensive upgrades" the dealer recommended, Jon?? A reefing system perhaps?? VHS radio? Extra anchor line maybe? PFD's, perhaps? ) Real extensive upgrades, right Jon? In other words, it's obvious that you really don't have anything to back up your statements about the Macs, JG. - Stupid remarks like: "They Sure I do, but you're not listening. I've already stated that I've seen them "sailing" on the bay. (Quotes are significant here.) junk and look like it" don't contribute anything useful to the ng; they don't help anyone; and they generally short-circuit what might become a balanced, potentially helpful discussion. I'm not short-circuiting anything. You're the one screaming names. I'm just pointing out that not all of us are taken in by the argument that since 1000s are sold, that makes for a good anything. Again, you are only demonstrating your complete ignorance of the basic principles of logic and statistics Jon. - The fact that 1000's have been sold wasn't given as evidence that the boats are of high quality (although they are). It was given as evidence that, if your statements (Macs are junk) were true, then we would see hundreds of them falling apart, foundering, etc.. Again, how many of them have "fallen apart" in the SF bay? 200? 100? And what, exactly is the "extensive upgrade work" the dealer recommends? Once again, you spout off those generalities with only an anecdote to back it up. In contrast, on the Mac discussion groups, there are many reports of Macs being sailed on the SF Bay as well as up and down the California coast. Where's your evidence that the Mac rigging is failing or coming apart, Johnny? What statistics do you have on the number of Macs on which the rigging failed? Jon, you urgently need to take a course in basic logic. - You simply don't get it. - Or are you just another troll JG, as Joe noted? Well, Joe is entitled to his opinions. At least, I respect Joe because he sails a great boat with skill. You obviously ARE a troll. - It's clear that you have no interest whatsoever in any rational, balanced, factual discussion of the subject. Jim |
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See what I mean..... he's frickin' useless when it comes to snappy
come-backs. Yet Cate bites right in. Jim you're being trolled by a queer... it's Gaylord Ganzy CM "Capt. JG" wrote in message ... Mooron, you should really stick to backhanding yourself. You're much better at it! -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Capt.Mooron" wrote in message news:E_zwf.73712$AP5.41738@edtnps84... "Jim Cate" wrote in message Incidentally, what, if anything, did your note contribute to this newsgroup? Anything of value or substance? Anything educational? Or are you just another troll? You'd best give your head a shake and have another look in the mirror.... that's a number 8 Daredevil Lure on your upper lip there Cate. Getting trolled and hooked by a no talent like Ganzy is probably the most embarrassing thing imaginable.... next to owning a Mac 26X. But Heh.... run with it... Ganzy thinks "adjusting the drag" means to straighten his dress.. CM |
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Capt., I'm aware that Jon has enjoyed his Mac-bashing. But sometimes
people like him need to be called. From my experience, it sometimes takes a month, sometimes two, sometimes more. Eventually, however, I haven't seen many like him that survive with all their feathers in place, and I happen to have the time to stick it out. Sorry if I have offended any of the normals on the ng. - I'm certainly trying to maintain a balanced approach. - The Macs aren't the best choice for all individuals or all uses, of course. Jim Capt.Mooron wrote: "Jim Cate" wrote in message Incidentally, what, if anything, did your note contribute to this newsgroup? Anything of value or substance? Anything educational? Or are you just another troll? You'd best give your head a shake and have another look in the mirror.... that's a number 8 Daredevil Lure on your upper lip there Cate. Getting trolled and hooked by a no talent like Ganzy is probably the most embarrassing thing imaginable.... next to owning a Mac 26X. But Heh.... run with it... Ganzy thinks "adjusting the drag" means to straighten his dress.. CM |
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