The "Practical" sailor?
 

"Jim Cate" wrote in message
...
JG, please show me where I said that you said the Macs fall apart by the
hundreds,or that their crew perish in winds over 15 kts. - What I did
say, of course, was:
"JG, IF the Macs are that bad, and everyone knows it, why are you wasting
all this time and cyberspace? ...... Actually, you have been having a
great old time bashing the Mac26M, but so far, you haven't come up with
anything at all to back up all your assertions. ARE THEY falling apart by
the hundreds all over the world JG? ARE THEIR OWNERS AND CREWS PERISHING
if they happen to sail in winds over 15 knots? If so, why not give us some
news reports or independent accounts about all this carnage. "

I do have a great ole time bashing them!! Admittedly, I only have my own
observations, comments from friends who have made observations, and comments
from a dealer that they are relatively worthless as either a sailboat or a
power boat, that they are flimsy, and should not be sailed in anything but
the most protected waters, certainly inappropriate for sailing in the bay.

So if, as you keep saying, the Macs are "junk" or, "a pretend sailboat,"
or "a lousy boat at rip-off prices," etc., then why aren't they falling
apart by the hundreds, and why aren't their crews perishing in anything
over moderate winds? - As I have said, I don't consider them suitable

No idea... dumb luck? The owners usually wise up and sell them to some other
fool? Please tell us!

for extended blue water crossings or the like. But since there are

But, I thought you said before you left on your trip that you were going to
do just that and you were going to take some pictures, if for no other
reason than to shut me up! Was I wrong?

thousands of them on the water (Particularly since they are one of the
most popular sailboat ever made and are sailed in all kinds of
conditions), and if your assertions were correct, surely there would be

All kinds of conditions? Really? All kinds?

hundreds of them breaking apart in even moderate weather conditions. To
the contrary, if you check any of the Mac discussion groups you will note
many owners who have been sailing their Macs for years in a variety of
conditions, have sailed other boats, and,when they finally trade in their
boats, often choose another Mac.

Fortunately, I only have to endure your rantings about your fine vessel. Why
would I want to listen to a bunch of other idiots. I meant to say, other
proud owners.

From what you have said, you haven't even sailed any of the recent models
of the Mac26 (e.g., the Mac 26M). Again, you really don't have any
first-hand experience with the 26M's, and the nearest experience you have
with ANY Macs were several anecdotes about Macs that seemed to be having
some type of difficulty in SFbay. (And who on this ng hasn't had
"difficulties" in some sailing conditions?)

Fortunately, no. I have not. I also have not sailed any new Swans, but I
know that by reputation they are pretty well-made.

As to anecdotes, I guess mine are just not good enough for you... sigh....

In other words, it's obvious that you really don't have anything to back
up your statements about the Macs, JG. - Stupid remarks like: "They

Sure I do, but you're not listening. I've already stated that I've seen them
"sailing" on the bay. (Quotes are significant here.)

junk and look like it" don't contribute anything useful to the ng; they
don't help anyone; and they generally short-circuit what might become a
balanced, potentially helpful discussion.

I'm not short-circuiting anything. You're the one screaming names. I'm just
pointing out that not all of us are taken in by the argument that since
1000s are sold, that makes for a good anything.

Or are you just another troll JG, as Joe noted?

Well, Joe is entitled to his opinions. At least, I respect Joe because he
sails a great boat with skill.

The "Practical" sailor?
 

Capt. JG wrote:

Come on now Jim, don't be so modest. This is usenet after all.

I concede that you have a vast amount of experience on your boat.. certain,
more than I have!! Perhaps someday, you'll gain enough experience to move up
to a decent boat.



I also have experience on O'Days, Endeavors, Valiants, Catalinas, Cals,
etc., in the 30 ft to 40 ft range. - Large and small, Jon. That's part
of the reason I moved up to the Mac 26M. - It's a great boat, fun to
sail, and a great value.

Incidentally, what, if anything, did your note contribute to this
newsgroup? Anything of value or substance? Anything educational?

Or are you just another troll?

Jim

The "Practical" sailor?
 

"Jim Cate" wrote in message

Incidentally, what, if anything, did your note contribute to this
newsgroup? Anything of value or substance? Anything educational?

Or are you just another troll?

You'd best give your head a shake and have another look in the mirror....
that's a number 8 Daredevil Lure on your upper lip there Cate.

Getting trolled and hooked by a no talent like Ganzy is probably the most
embarrassing thing imaginable.... next to owning a Mac 26X.

But Heh.... run with it... Ganzy thinks "adjusting the drag" means to
straighten his dress..

CM

The "Practical" sailor?
 

Capt. JG wrote:

"Jim Cate" wrote in message
...


JG, please show me where I said that you said the Macs fall apart by the
hundreds,or that their crew perish in winds over 15 kts. - What I did
say, of course, was:
"JG, IF the Macs are that bad, and everyone knows it, why are you wasting
all this time and cyberspace? ...... Actually, you have been having a
great old time bashing the Mac26M, but so far, you haven't come up with
anything at all to back up all your assertions. ARE THEY falling apart by
the hundreds all over the world JG? ARE THEIR OWNERS AND CREWS PERISHING
if they happen to sail in winds over 15 knots? If so, why not give us some
news reports or independent accounts about all this carnage. "



I do have a great ole time bashing them!! Admittedly, I only have my own
observations, comments from friends who have made observations, and comments
from a dealer that they are relatively worthless as either a sailboat or a
power boat, that they are flimsy, and should not be sailed in anything but
the most protected waters, certainly inappropriate for sailing in the bay.


Actually, of course, you have very little information about, or
experience, with the current Mac 26M series. Right Jon?

Also, would you please give me the name of that particular Mac dealer
Jon? I would really like to get his side of the discussion, and compare
it with your version!




So if, as you keep saying, the Macs are "junk" or, "a pretend sailboat,"
or "a lousy boat at rip-off prices," etc., then why aren't they falling
apart by the hundreds, and why aren't their crews perishing in anything
over moderate winds? - As I have said, I don't consider them suitable



No idea... dumb luck? The owners usually wise up and sell them to some other
fool? Please tell us!


"Dumb luck" Jon??? That just doesn't cut it. - If the boats were junk,
as you claim, then we Mac owners wouldn't be sailing them in locations
around the world, and we would get rid of our Macs as soon as we could.
- But we don't. Most of us have experience on various other boats, and
most of us enjoy sailing the Macs, which is why we keep them.


or extended blue water crossings or the like. But since there are



But, I thought you said before you left on your trip that you were going to
do just that and you were going to take some pictures, if for no other
reason than to shut me up! Was I wrong?

Yep. You were wrong. - I didn't say anything about pictures Jon. In any
event, you need to get your story straight, beginning with what I
actually said (not what you inferred) about our cruise. - Again, my
Mac has no dining room, health club, room service, casino, etc., and my
wife came with me on this trip. -




thousands of them on the water (Particularly since they are one of the
most popular sailboat ever made and are sailed in all kinds of
conditions), and if your assertions were correct, surely there would be



All kinds of conditions? Really? All kinds?



I've discussed this previously Jon. - Check my earlier notes. Mac owners
are sailing their boats all over the world in blue water, bays, Great
Lakes, the Mediterainin, waters off Austrailia, etc. .



hundreds of them breaking apart in even moderate weather conditions. To
the contrary, if you check any of the Mac discussion groups you will note
many owners who have been sailing their Macs for years in a variety of
conditions, have sailed other boats, and,when they finally trade in their
boats, often choose another Mac.



Fortunately, I only have to endure your rantings about your fine vessel. Why
would I want to listen to a bunch of other idiots. I meant to say, other
proud owners.


Because you are a troll, and that might give you opportunities to send
"Mac-bashing notes" to other Mac owners.




From what you have said, you haven't even sailed any of the recent models
of the Mac26 (e.g., the Mac 26M). Again, you really don't have any
first-hand experience with the 26M's, and the nearest experience you have
with ANY Macs were several anecdotes about Macs that seemed to be having
some type of difficulty in SFbay. (And who on this ng hasn't had
"difficulties" in some sailing conditions?)



Fortunately, no. I have not. I also have not sailed any new Swans, but I
know that by reputation they are pretty well-made.

As to anecdotes, I guess mine are just not good enough for you... sigh....



Again, you're missing the point Jon. Which was that anecdotes, such as
your stories, aren't evidence. You are bashing a boat that is enjoyed by
thousands of people, yet you have no evidence or statistics to back up
your childish rantings other than a couple of anecdotes plus "your side"
only of a purported conversation with a Mac dealer. (Again, what were
the "extensive upgrades" the dealer recommended, Jon?? A reefing
system perhaps?? VHS radio? Extra anchor line maybe? PFD's, perhaps? )
Real extensive upgrades, right Jon?



In other words, it's obvious that you really don't have anything to back
up your statements about the Macs, JG. - Stupid remarks like: "They



Sure I do, but you're not listening. I've already stated that I've seen them
"sailing" on the bay. (Quotes are significant here.)






junk and look like it" don't contribute anything useful to the ng; they
don't help anyone; and they generally short-circuit what might become a
balanced, potentially helpful discussion.



I'm not short-circuiting anything. You're the one screaming names. I'm just
pointing out that not all of us are taken in by the argument that since
1000s are sold, that makes for a good anything.



Again, you are only demonstrating your complete ignorance of the basic
principles of logic and statistics Jon. - The fact that 1000's have
been sold wasn't given as evidence that the boats are of high quality
(although they are). It was given as evidence that, if your statements
(Macs are junk) were true, then we would see hundreds of them falling
apart, foundering, etc.. Again, how many of them have "fallen apart" in
the SF bay? 200? 100? And what, exactly is the "extensive upgrade
work" the dealer recommends? Once again, you spout off those
generalities with only an anecdote to back it up. In contrast, on the
Mac discussion groups, there are many reports of Macs being sailed on
the SF Bay as well as up and down the California coast.

Where's your evidence that the Mac rigging is failing or coming apart,
Johnny? What statistics do you have on the number of Macs on which
the rigging failed?



Jon, you urgently need to take a course in basic logic. - You simply
don't get it. -




Or are you just another troll JG, as Joe noted?



Well, Joe is entitled to his opinions. At least, I respect Joe because he
sails a great boat with skill.



You obviously ARE a troll. - It's clear that you have no interest
whatsoever in any rational, balanced, factual discussion of the subject.

Jim

The "Practical" sailor?
 

Why do I not believe you if you settled on a MaccrapM??

Moved up!!! hahahaahahaha... now that really *is* funny.

Never. I never contribute anything of substance to this or any other
newsgroup. I'm a drain on society. Such is what you find on usenet. Feel
free to killfile me any time!

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Jim Cate" wrote in message
...


Capt. JG wrote:

Come on now Jim, don't be so modest. This is usenet after all.

I concede that you have a vast amount of experience on your boat..
certain, more than I have!! Perhaps someday, you'll gain enough experience
to move up to a decent boat.


I also have experience on O'Days, Endeavors, Valiants, Catalinas, Cals,
etc., in the 30 ft to 40 ft range. - Large and small, Jon. That's part
of the reason I moved up to the Mac 26M. - It's a great boat, fun to sail,
and a great value.

Incidentally, what, if anything, did your note contribute to this
newsgroup? Anything of value or substance? Anything educational?

Or are you just another troll?

Jim

The "Practical" sailor?
 

Mooron, you should really stick to backhanding yourself. You're much better
at it!

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Capt.Mooron" wrote in message
news:E_zwf.73712$AP5.41738@edtnps84...

"Jim Cate" wrote in message

Incidentally, what, if anything, did your note contribute to this
newsgroup? Anything of value or substance? Anything educational?

Or are you just another troll?

You'd best give your head a shake and have another look in the mirror....
that's a number 8 Daredevil Lure on your upper lip there Cate.

Getting trolled and hooked by a no talent like Ganzy is probably the most
embarrassing thing imaginable.... next to owning a Mac 26X.

But Heh.... run with it... Ganzy thinks "adjusting the drag" means to
straighten his dress..

CM

The "Practical" sailor?
 

Good Grief... you've swallowed the hook!!!

Now it's either the pliers or the club!

CM

"Jim Cate" wrote in message
...


Capt. JG wrote:

"Jim Cate" wrote in message
...


JG, please show me where I said that you said the Macs fall apart by the
hundreds,or that their crew perish in winds over 15 kts. - What I did
say, of course, was:
"JG, IF the Macs are that bad, and everyone knows it, why are you wasting
all this time and cyberspace? ...... Actually, you have been having a
great old time bashing the Mac26M, but so far, you haven't come up with
anything at all to back up all your assertions. ARE THEY falling apart by
the hundreds all over the world JG? ARE THEIR OWNERS AND CREWS PERISHING
if they happen to sail in winds over 15 knots? If so, why not give us
some
news reports or independent accounts about all this carnage. "



I do have a great ole time bashing them!! Admittedly, I only have my own
observations, comments from friends who have made observations, and
comments
from a dealer that they are relatively worthless as either a sailboat or a
power boat, that they are flimsy, and should not be sailed in anything but
the most protected waters, certainly inappropriate for sailing in the bay.


Actually, of course, you have very little information about, or
experience, with the current Mac 26M series. Right Jon?

Also, would you please give me the name of that particular Mac dealer
Jon? I would really like to get his side of the discussion, and compare
it with your version!




So if, as you keep saying, the Macs are "junk" or, "a pretend sailboat,"
or "a lousy boat at rip-off prices," etc., then why aren't they falling
apart by the hundreds, and why aren't their crews perishing in anything
over moderate winds? - As I have said, I don't consider them suitable



No idea... dumb luck? The owners usually wise up and sell them to some
other
fool? Please tell us!


"Dumb luck" Jon??? That just doesn't cut it. - If the boats were junk,
as you claim, then we Mac owners wouldn't be sailing them in locations
around the world, and we would get rid of our Macs as soon as we could.
- But we don't. Most of us have experience on various other boats, and
most of us enjoy sailing the Macs, which is why we keep them.


or extended blue water crossings or the like. But since there are



But, I thought you said before you left on your trip that you were going
to
do just that and you were going to take some pictures, if for no other
reason than to shut me up! Was I wrong?

Yep. You were wrong. - I didn't say anything about pictures Jon. In any
event, you need to get your story straight, beginning with what I
actually said (not what you inferred) about our cruise. - Again, my
Mac has no dining room, health club, room service, casino, etc., and my
wife came with me on this trip. -




thousands of them on the water (Particularly since they are one of the
most popular sailboat ever made and are sailed in all kinds of
conditions), and if your assertions were correct, surely there would be



All kinds of conditions? Really? All kinds?



I've discussed this previously Jon. - Check my earlier notes. Mac owners
are sailing their boats all over the world in blue water, bays, Great
Lakes, the Mediterainin, waters off Austrailia, etc. .



hundreds of them breaking apart in even moderate weather conditions. To
the contrary, if you check any of the Mac discussion groups you will note
many owners who have been sailing their Macs for years in a variety of
conditions, have sailed other boats, and,when they finally trade in their
boats, often choose another Mac.



Fortunately, I only have to endure your rantings about your fine vessel.
Why
would I want to listen to a bunch of other idiots. I meant to say, other
proud owners.


Because you are a troll, and that might give you opportunities to send
"Mac-bashing notes" to other Mac owners.




From what you have said, you haven't even sailed any of the recent models
of the Mac26 (e.g., the Mac 26M). Again, you really don't have any
first-hand experience with the 26M's, and the nearest experience you have
with ANY Macs were several anecdotes about Macs that seemed to be having
some type of difficulty in SFbay. (And who on this ng hasn't had
"difficulties" in some sailing conditions?)



Fortunately, no. I have not. I also have not sailed any new Swans, but I
know that by reputation they are pretty well-made.

As to anecdotes, I guess mine are just not good enough for you... sigh....



Again, you're missing the point Jon. Which was that anecdotes, such as
your stories, aren't evidence. You are bashing a boat that is enjoyed by
thousands of people, yet you have no evidence or statistics to back up
your childish rantings other than a couple of anecdotes plus "your side"
only of a purported conversation with a Mac dealer. (Again, what were
the "extensive upgrades" the dealer recommended, Jon?? A reefing
system perhaps?? VHS radio? Extra anchor line maybe? PFD's, perhaps? )
Real extensive upgrades, right Jon?



In other words, it's obvious that you really don't have anything to back
up your statements about the Macs, JG. - Stupid remarks like: "They



Sure I do, but you're not listening. I've already stated that I've seen
them
"sailing" on the bay. (Quotes are significant here.)






junk and look like it" don't contribute anything useful to the ng; they
don't help anyone; and they generally short-circuit what might become a
balanced, potentially helpful discussion.



I'm not short-circuiting anything. You're the one screaming names. I'm
just
pointing out that not all of us are taken in by the argument that since
1000s are sold, that makes for a good anything.



Again, you are only demonstrating your complete ignorance of the basic
principles of logic and statistics Jon. - The fact that 1000's have
been sold wasn't given as evidence that the boats are of high quality
(although they are). It was given as evidence that, if your statements
(Macs are junk) were true, then we would see hundreds of them falling
apart, foundering, etc.. Again, how many of them have "fallen apart" in
the SF bay? 200? 100? And what, exactly is the "extensive upgrade
work" the dealer recommends? Once again, you spout off those
generalities with only an anecdote to back it up. In contrast, on the
Mac discussion groups, there are many reports of Macs being sailed on
the SF Bay as well as up and down the California coast.

Where's your evidence that the Mac rigging is failing or coming apart,
Johnny? What statistics do you have on the number of Macs on which
the rigging failed?



Jon, you urgently need to take a course in basic logic. - You simply
don't get it. -




Or are you just another troll JG, as Joe noted?



Well, Joe is entitled to his opinions. At least, I respect Joe because he
sails a great boat with skill.



You obviously ARE a troll. - It's clear that you have no interest
whatsoever in any rational, balanced, factual discussion of the subject.

Jim

The "Practical" sailor?
 

You're right.. zero experience on the MaccrapM! You got me there.

Sorry, but I don't think it would be appropriate for me to give out his name. He loves making money from fools like you, and I wouldn't want to spoil it for him.

In your case, dumb luck is just about right! You're incredibly delusional if you think owning a MaccrapM is owning a quality boat. I'm sorry for you. I'm sorry that you think anyone is going to take you seriously.

Honestly, there's nothing wrong with you owning a boat that fits your bill for the kind of sailing you do, apparently. Just don't try to tell people who are interested in a quality boat that the MaccrapM qualifies without extensive refit. It's really pathetic and makes you look dumber than I'm sure you are.

Why would I want to send things to other MaccrapM owners? I'm sure they have enough of their own problems!

But, keep posting. It's kinda amusing. Really!

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Jim Cate" wrote in message ...


Capt. JG wrote:

"Jim Cate" wrote in message
...
JG, please show me where I said that you said the Macs fall apart by the
hundreds,or that their crew perish in winds over 15 kts. - What I did
say, of course, was:
"JG, IF the Macs are that bad, and everyone knows it, why are you wasting
all this time and cyberspace? ...... Actually, you have been having a
great old time bashing the Mac26M, but so far, you haven't come up with
anything at all to back up all your assertions. ARE THEY falling apart by
the hundreds all over the world JG? ARE THEIR OWNERS AND CREWS PERISHING
if they happen to sail in winds over 15 knots? If so, why not give us some
news reports or independent accounts about all this carnage. "

I do have a great ole time bashing them!! Admittedly, I only have my own
observations, comments from friends who have made observations, and comments
from a dealer that they are relatively worthless as either a sailboat or a
power boat, that they are flimsy, and should not be sailed in anything but
the most protected waters, certainly inappropriate for sailing in the bay.
Actually, of course, you have very little information about, or experience, with the current Mac 26M series. Right Jon?

Also, would you please give me the name of that particular Mac dealer Jon? I would really like to get his side of the discussion, and compare it with your version!


So if, as you keep saying, the Macs are "junk" or, "a pretend sailboat,"
or "a lousy boat at rip-off prices," etc., then why aren't they falling
apart by the hundreds, and why aren't their crews perishing in anything
over moderate winds? - As I have said, I don't consider them suitable

No idea... dumb luck? The owners usually wise up and sell them to some other
fool? Please tell us!
"Dumb luck" Jon??? That just doesn't cut it. - If the boats were junk, as you claim, then we Mac owners wouldn't be sailing them in locations around the world, and we would get rid of our Macs as soon as we could. - But we don't. Most of us have experience on various other boats, and most of us enjoy sailing the Macs, which is why we keep them.



or extended blue water crossings or the like. But since there are

But, I thought you said before you left on your trip that you were going to
do just that and you were going to take some pictures, if for no other
reason than to shut me up! Was I wrong? Yep. You were wrong. - I didn't say anything about pictures Jon. In any event, you need to get your story straight, beginning with what I actually said (not what you inferred) about our cruise. - Again, my Mac has no dining room, health club, room service, casino, etc., and my wife came with me on this trip. -


thousands of them on the water (Particularly since they are one of the
most popular sailboat ever made and are sailed in all kinds of
conditions), and if your assertions were correct, surely there would be

All kinds of conditions? Really? All kinds?

I've discussed this previously Jon. - Check my earlier notes. Mac owners are sailing their boats all over the world in blue water, bays, Great Lakes, the Mediterainin, waters off Austrailia, etc. .

hundreds of them breaking apart in even moderate weather conditions. To
the contrary, if you check any of the Mac discussion groups you will note
many owners who have been sailing their Macs for years in a variety of
conditions, have sailed other boats, and,when they finally trade in their
boats, often choose another Mac.

Fortunately, I only have to endure your rantings about your fine vessel. Why
would I want to listen to a bunch of other idiots. I meant to say, other
proud owners.
Because you are a troll, and that might give you opportunities to send "Mac-bashing notes" to other Mac owners.


From what you have said, you haven't even sailed any of the recent models
of the Mac26 (e.g., the Mac 26M). Again, you really don't have any
first-hand experience with the 26M's, and the nearest experience you have
with ANY Macs were several anecdotes about Macs that seemed to be having
some type of difficulty in SFbay. (And who on this ng hasn't had
"difficulties" in some sailing conditions?)

Fortunately, no. I have not. I also have not sailed any new Swans, but I
know that by reputation they are pretty well-made.

As to anecdotes, I guess mine are just not good enough for you... sigh....

Again, you're missing the point Jon. Which was that anecdotes, such as your stories, aren't evidence. You are bashing a boat that is enjoyed by thousands of people, yet you have no evidence or statistics to back up your childish rantings other than a couple of anecdotes plus "your side" only of a purported conversation with a Mac dealer. (Again, what were the "extensive upgrades" the dealer recommended, Jon?? A reefing system perhaps?? VHS radio? Extra anchor line maybe? PFD's, perhaps? ) Real extensive upgrades, right Jon?

In other words, it's obvious that you really don't have anything to back
up your statements about the Macs, JG. - Stupid remarks like: "They

Sure I do, but you're not listening. I've already stated that I've seen them
"sailing" on the bay. (Quotes are significant here.)



junk and look like it" don't contribute anything useful to the ng; they
don't help anyone; and they generally short-circuit what might become a
balanced, potentially helpful discussion.

I'm not short-circuiting anything. You're the one screaming names. I'm just
pointing out that not all of us are taken in by the argument that since
1000s are sold, that makes for a good anything.

Again, you are only demonstrating your complete ignorance of the basic principles of logic and statistics Jon. - The fact that 1000's have been sold wasn't given as evidence that the boats are of high quality (although they are). It was given as evidence that, if your statements (Macs are junk) were true, then we would see hundreds of them falling apart, foundering, etc.. Again, how many of them have "fallen apart" in the SF bay? 200? 100? And what, exactly is the "extensive upgrade work" the dealer recommends? Once again, you spout off those generalities with only an anecdote to back it up. In contrast, on the Mac discussion groups, there are many reports of Macs being sailed on the SF Bay as well as up and down the California coast.
Where's your evidence that the Mac rigging is failing or coming apart,
Johnny? What statistics do you have on the number of Macs on which
the rigging failed?

Jon, you urgently need to take a course in basic logic. - You simply don't get it. -



Or are you just another troll JG, as Joe noted?

Well, Joe is entitled to his opinions. At least, I respect Joe because he
sails a great boat with skill.

You obviously ARE a troll. - It's clear that you have no interest whatsoever in any rational, balanced, factual discussion of the subject.

Jim

The "Practical" sailor?
 

See what I mean..... he's frickin' useless when it comes to snappy
come-backs. Yet Cate bites right in.

Jim you're being trolled by a queer... it's Gaylord Ganzy

CM

"Capt. JG" wrote in message
...
Mooron, you should really stick to backhanding yourself. You're much
better at it!

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www.sailnow.com

"Capt.Mooron" wrote in message
news:E_zwf.73712$AP5.41738@edtnps84...

"Jim Cate" wrote in message

Incidentally, what, if anything, did your note contribute to this
newsgroup? Anything of value or substance? Anything educational?

Or are you just another troll?

You'd best give your head a shake and have another look in the mirror....
that's a number 8 Daredevil Lure on your upper lip there Cate.

Getting trolled and hooked by a no talent like Ganzy is probably the most
embarrassing thing imaginable.... next to owning a Mac 26X.

But Heh.... run with it... Ganzy thinks "adjusting the drag" means to
straighten his dress..

CM

The "Practical" sailor?
 

Capt., I'm aware that Jon has enjoyed his Mac-bashing. But sometimes
people like him need to be called. From my experience, it sometimes
takes a month, sometimes two, sometimes more. Eventually, however, I
haven't seen many like him that survive with all their feathers in
place, and I happen to have the time to stick it out.

Sorry if I have offended any of the normals on the ng. - I'm certainly
trying to maintain a balanced approach. - The Macs aren't the best
choice for all individuals or all uses, of course.

Jim


Capt.Mooron wrote:

"Jim Cate" wrote in message



Incidentally, what, if anything, did your note contribute to this
newsgroup? Anything of value or substance? Anything educational?

Or are you just another troll?



You'd best give your head a shake and have another look in the mirror....
that's a number 8 Daredevil Lure on your upper lip there Cate.

Getting trolled and hooked by a no talent like Ganzy is probably the most
embarrassing thing imaginable.... next to owning a Mac 26X.

But Heh.... run with it... Ganzy thinks "adjusting the drag" means to
straighten his dress..

CM

The "Practical" sailor?
 

First Off Jim... in reference to Gaynzy... you're a Day Late & a Dollar
Short.

Secondly..... it's not the sailboat but the sailor that counts.

CM


"Jim Cate" wrote in message
...
Capt., I'm aware that Jon has enjoyed his Mac-bashing. But sometimes
people like him need to be called. From my experience, it sometimes
takes a month, sometimes two, sometimes more. Eventually, however, I
haven't seen many like him that survive with all their feathers in
place, and I happen to have the time to stick it out.

Sorry if I have offended any of the normals on the ng. - I'm certainly
trying to maintain a balanced approach. - The Macs aren't the best
choice for all individuals or all uses, of course.

Jim


Capt.Mooron wrote:

"Jim Cate" wrote in message



Incidentally, what, if anything, did your note contribute to this
newsgroup? Anything of value or substance? Anything educational?

Or are you just another troll?



You'd best give your head a shake and have another look in the mirror....
that's a number 8 Daredevil Lure on your upper lip there Cate.

Getting trolled and hooked by a no talent like Ganzy is probably the most
embarrassing thing imaginable.... next to owning a Mac 26X.

But Heh.... run with it... Ganzy thinks "adjusting the drag" means to
straighten his dress..

CM

The "Practical" sailor?
 

Jim, you should know that Mooron is an expert when it comes to all things
queer. He's completely obsessed by them. I guess that's what happens when
you can't find a decent women, unlike the rest of us.

--
"j" ganz @@
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"Capt.Mooron" wrote in message
news:qUAwf.72543$OU5.22524@clgrps13...
See what I mean..... he's frickin' useless when it comes to snappy
come-backs. Yet Cate bites right in.

Jim you're being trolled by a queer... it's Gaylord Ganzy

CM

"Capt. JG" wrote in message
...
Mooron, you should really stick to backhanding yourself. You're much
better at it!

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"j" ganz @@
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"Capt.Mooron" wrote in message
news:E_zwf.73712$AP5.41738@edtnps84...

"Jim Cate" wrote in message

Incidentally, what, if anything, did your note contribute to this
newsgroup? Anything of value or substance? Anything educational?

Or are you just another troll?

You'd best give your head a shake and have another look in the
mirror.... that's a number 8 Daredevil Lure on your upper lip there
Cate.

Getting trolled and hooked by a no talent like Ganzy is probably the
most embarrassing thing imaginable.... next to owning a Mac 26X.

But Heh.... run with it... Ganzy thinks "adjusting the drag" means to
straighten his dress..

CM

The "Practical" sailor?
 

You're sucking up to the person you just spent 2 days trolling and
baiting????

How fricken' queer and desperate is that???

CM


"Capt. JG" wrote in message
...
Jim, you should know that Mooron is an expert when it comes to all things
queer. He's completely obsessed by them. I guess that's what happens when
you can't find a decent women, unlike the rest of us.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Capt.Mooron" wrote in message
news:qUAwf.72543$OU5.22524@clgrps13...
See what I mean..... he's frickin' useless when it comes to snappy
come-backs. Yet Cate bites right in.

Jim you're being trolled by a queer... it's Gaylord Ganzy

CM

"Capt. JG" wrote in message
...
Mooron, you should really stick to backhanding yourself. You're much
better at it!

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Capt.Mooron" wrote in message
news:E_zwf.73712$AP5.41738@edtnps84...

"Jim Cate" wrote in message

Incidentally, what, if anything, did your note contribute to this
newsgroup? Anything of value or substance? Anything educational?

Or are you just another troll?

You'd best give your head a shake and have another look in the
mirror.... that's a number 8 Daredevil Lure on your upper lip there
Cate.

Getting trolled and hooked by a no talent like Ganzy is probably the
most embarrassing thing imaginable.... next to owning a Mac 26X.

But Heh.... run with it... Ganzy thinks "adjusting the drag" means to
straighten his dress..

CM

The "Practical" sailor?
 

Please don't call me. Call Mooron. He likes fools and queers, apparently.

Sorry Jimmy, but you're never going to convince me that a MaccrapM has any place in blue water sailing. I would also submit that you don't have a clue about "sticking it out." I've been here practically since the group was formed, and I'll be here long after your pathetic excuse for a sailboat sinks beneath the ripples on your pond.

The MaccrapM is CLEARLY the best for you!!!

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Jim Cate" wrote in message ...
Capt., I'm aware that Jon has enjoyed his Mac-bashing. But sometimes people like him need to be called. From my experience, it sometimes takes a month, sometimes two, sometimes more. Eventually, however, I haven't seen many like him that survive with all their feathers in place, and I happen to have the time to stick it out.

Sorry if I have offended any of the normals on the ng. - I'm certainly trying to maintain a balanced approach. - The Macs aren't the best choice for all individuals or all uses, of course.

Jim


Capt.Mooron wrote:

"Jim Cate" wrote in message

Incidentally, what, if anything, did your note contribute to this
newsgroup? Anything of value or substance? Anything educational?

Or are you just another troll?

You'd best give your head a shake and have another look in the mirror....
that's a number 8 Daredevil Lure on your upper lip there Cate.

Getting trolled and hooked by a no talent like Ganzy is probably the most
embarrassing thing imaginable.... next to owning a Mac 26X.

But Heh.... run with it... Ganzy thinks "adjusting the drag" means to
straighten his dress..

CM

The "Practical" sailor?
 

"Capt. JG" wrote in message

I've been here practically since the group was formed, and I'll be here
long after your pathetic excuse for a sailboat sinks beneath the ripples
on your pond.

Oh Bouy.... now there's a life time ambition set out in text for you!

How queer is that.......?????

CM

The "Practical" sailor?
 

Excuse me? I haven't been trolling Jim. I like Jim. Jim knows his
limitations, and he got the right boat for the right person.

But, you clearly have an agenda when it comes to being queer obsessed....

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Capt.Mooron" wrote in message
news:0uCwf.46797$km.41643@edtnps89...
You're sucking up to the person you just spent 2 days trolling and
baiting????

How fricken' queer and desperate is that???

CM


"Capt. JG" wrote in message
...
Jim, you should know that Mooron is an expert when it comes to all things
queer. He's completely obsessed by them. I guess that's what happens when
you can't find a decent women, unlike the rest of us.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Capt.Mooron" wrote in message
news:qUAwf.72543$OU5.22524@clgrps13...
See what I mean..... he's frickin' useless when it comes to snappy
come-backs. Yet Cate bites right in.

Jim you're being trolled by a queer... it's Gaylord Ganzy

CM

"Capt. JG" wrote in message
...
Mooron, you should really stick to backhanding yourself. You're much
better at it!

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Capt.Mooron" wrote in message
news:E_zwf.73712$AP5.41738@edtnps84...

"Jim Cate" wrote in message

Incidentally, what, if anything, did your note contribute to this
newsgroup? Anything of value or substance? Anything educational?

Or are you just another troll?

You'd best give your head a shake and have another look in the
mirror.... that's a number 8 Daredevil Lure on your upper lip there
Cate.

Getting trolled and hooked by a no talent like Ganzy is probably the
most embarrassing thing imaginable.... next to owning a Mac 26X.

But Heh.... run with it... Ganzy thinks "adjusting the drag" means to
straighten his dress..

CM

The "Practical" sailor?
 

Yes, I agree... Jim probably isn't much of a sailor...

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Capt.Mooron" wrote in message
news:uoCwf.46795$km.16975@edtnps89...
Secondly..... it's not the sailboat but the sailor that counts.

CM


"Jim Cate" wrote in message
...
Capt., I'm aware that Jon has enjoyed his Mac-bashing. But sometimes
people like him need to be called. From my experience, it sometimes
takes a month, sometimes two, sometimes more. Eventually, however, I
haven't seen many like him that survive with all their feathers in
place, and I happen to have the time to stick it out.

Sorry if I have offended any of the normals on the ng. - I'm certainly
trying to maintain a balanced approach. - The Macs aren't the best
choice for all individuals or all uses, of course.

Jim


Capt.Mooron wrote:

"Jim Cate" wrote in message



Incidentally, what, if anything, did your note contribute to this
newsgroup? Anything of value or substance? Anything educational?

Or are you just another troll?



You'd best give your head a shake and have another look in the mirror....
that's a number 8 Daredevil Lure on your upper lip there Cate.

Getting trolled and hooked by a no talent like Ganzy is probably the most
embarrassing thing imaginable.... next to owning a Mac 26X.

But Heh.... run with it... Ganzy thinks "adjusting the drag" means to
straighten his dress..

CM

The "Practical" sailor?
 

Yeah, I married a beautiful, intelligent woman on a fantastic sailboat on
the SF bay on a beautiful day surrounded by friends and family; whereas, you
hide in your closet and post people's personal information as a way to feel
like an adult when in fact you're a small boy in a man's body with anger
management problems. Got it.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Commodore Joe Redcloud" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 9 Jan 2006 15:58:51 -0800, "Capt. JG"
wrote:

Please don't call me. Call Mooron. He likes fools and queers, apparently.

Sorry Jimmy, but you're never going to convince me that a MaccrapM has any
place in blue water sailing. I would also submit that you don't have a
clue about "sticking it out." I've been here practically since the group
was formed, and I'll be here long after your pathetic excuse for a
sailboat sinks beneath the ripples on your pond.

The MaccrapM is CLEARLY the best for you!!!

You had better listen to Bonny Jonny Gayanzy... After all... He's been
featured
in MODERN BRIDE MAGAZINE!!! I kid you not.

Bwahahahahahahahahahahahaha!


Commodore Joe Redcloud

The "Practical" sailor?
 

Tell us... you're the expert. No, don't look around... you know the guy
behind you.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Capt.Mooron" wrote in message
news:75Dwf.72583$OU5.30475@clgrps13...

"Capt. JG" wrote in message

I've been here practically since the group was formed, and I'll be here
long after your pathetic excuse for a sailboat sinks beneath the ripples
on your pond.

Oh Bouy.... now there's a life time ambition set out in text for you!

How queer is that.......?????

CM

The "Practical" sailor?
 

"Capt. JG" wrote in message

Excuse me? I haven't been trolling Jim. I like Jim. Jim knows his
limitations, and he got the right boat for the right person.

Bwahahahahahahaahahahahaaaaaa..... can you believe this fag Gaynzy?

Here's some of his non trolling gems of abject idiocy

"Yes, I agree... Jim probably isn't much of a sailor..."

"Sorry Jimmy, but you're never going to convince me that a MaccrapM has any
place in blue water sailing."

Yet he claims not to be trolling??

Bwahahahahahahahahahaahahahaaaa....

You're an IDIOT Gaynsy... a smarmy, lying , back-stabbing, netkkopping,
cry-baby, sack of **** little weasel on par with Commode.

CM

The "Practical" sailor?
 

I guess you're confusing facts with trolls.

I also note that you just can't get past your anger. This is truly sad. I
feel sorry for you.

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"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Capt.Mooron" wrote in message
news:noDwf.72589$OU5.15110@clgrps13...

"Capt. JG" wrote in message

Excuse me? I haven't been trolling Jim. I like Jim. Jim knows his
limitations, and he got the right boat for the right person.

Bwahahahahahahaahahahahaaaaaa..... can you believe this fag Gaynzy?

Here's some of his non trolling gems of abject idiocy

"Yes, I agree... Jim probably isn't much of a sailor..."

"Sorry Jimmy, but you're never going to convince me that a MaccrapM has
any place in blue water sailing."

Yet he claims not to be trolling??

Bwahahahahahahahahahaahahahaaaa....

You're an IDIOT Gaynsy... a smarmy, lying , back-stabbing, netkkopping,
cry-baby, sack of **** little weasel on par with Commode.

CM

The "Practical" sailor?
 

Sorry if I have offended any of the normals on the ng. - I'm certainly

trying to maintain a balanced approach. - The Macs aren't the best
choice for all individuals or all uses, of course.


I wouldn't buy a Mac myself, but that's not to say it doesn't serve a
LOT of people well. The latest version is a better sailing boat too. If
you're happy with your boat that just angers some folks here. The
reason for that is that they're not happy with their boats.
Cheers to you for finding a boat that works in your life!

RB
Beneteau 35s5
NY

The "Practical" sailor?
 

I'm not happy with my boat! Well, I would be if I owned one. I just rent or
sail for free. I know that angers people.... so sorry.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
ups.com...
Sorry if I have offended any of the normals on the ng. - I'm certainly

trying to maintain a balanced approach. - The Macs aren't the best
choice for all individuals or all uses, of course.


I wouldn't buy a Mac myself, but that's not to say it doesn't serve a
LOT of people well. The latest version is a better sailing boat too. If
you're happy with your boat that just angers some folks here. The
reason for that is that they're not happy with their boats.
Cheers to you for finding a boat that works in your life!

RB
Beneteau 35s5
NY

The "Practical" sailor?
 

Please show me where I've yelled, ranted, or sought revenge on anyone here
in the last 6 mos. However, it's pretty easy to see your anger in just about
every post.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Commodore Joe Redcloud" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 9 Jan 2006 18:36:19 -0800, "Capt. JG"
wrote:

I'm not happy with my boat! Well, I would be if I owned one. I just rent
or
sail for free. I know that angers people.... so sorry.

Interesting how jonny thinks everyone around him is angry and needs
help...

I wonder what's really behind that? You don't suppose it's some odd form
of
displacement behavior, do you?

His above missive certainly sounds like he's fairly tightly wound up.


Commodore Joe Redcloud

The "Practical" sailor?
 

Sure. Whatever you say. So, I guess there's no point to continuing the
thread... unless you have something else you need to say... go for it. I'm
sure you'll feel better.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Commodore Joe Redcloud" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 9 Jan 2006 18:58:41 -0800, "Capt. JG" wrote:

Please show me where I've yelled, ranted, or sought revenge on anyone here
in the last 6 mos. However, it's pretty easy to see your anger in just
about
every post.

You are in complete denial if you won't see the seething anger in
virtually ALL
of your posts including the one above. You invariably try and turn
attention
away from it by pointing at others. You are off the hook, dood.


Commodore Joe Redcloud

The "Practical" sailor?
 

Actually, Cap, I don't have a Mac 26X. That's part of Jon's problem
too. - He's talking about models they were producing 15 years ago.

Jim



Capt.Mooron wrote:

"Jim Cate" wrote in message



Incidentally, what, if anything, did your note contribute to this
newsgroup? Anything of value or substance? Anything educational?

Or are you just another troll?



You'd best give your head a shake and have another look in the mirror....
that's a number 8 Daredevil Lure on your upper lip there Cate.

Getting trolled and hooked by a no talent like Ganzy is probably the most
embarrassing thing imaginable.... next to owning a Mac 26X.

But Heh.... run with it... Ganzy thinks "adjusting the drag" means to
straighten his dress..

CM

The "Practical" sailor?
 

You're mom? I dumped her!

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Commodore Joe Redcloud" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 9 Jan 2006 19:15:08 -0800, "Capt. JG"
wrote:

Sure. Whatever you say. So, I guess there's no point to continuing the
thread... unless you have something else you need to say... go for it. I'm
sure you'll feel better.

Pretty pathetic, Jon. Really. No wonder the stupid bitch dumped you.


Commodore Joe Redcloud

The "Practical" sailor?
 

I thought I was wrong about you!! Oh well... I'm sure you'll get a lot out of your MaccrapM!

Geez Jim... do you have a thin skin or what....

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Jim Cate" wrote in message ...
Actually, Cap, I don't have a Mac 26X. That's part of Jon's problem too. - He's talking about models they were producing 15 years ago.

Jim



Capt.Mooron wrote:

"Jim Cate" wrote in message

Incidentally, what, if anything, did your note contribute to this
newsgroup? Anything of value or substance? Anything educational?

Or are you just another troll?

You'd best give your head a shake and have another look in the mirror....
that's a number 8 Daredevil Lure on your upper lip there Cate.

Getting trolled and hooked by a no talent like Ganzy is probably the most
embarrassing thing imaginable.... next to owning a Mac 26X.

But Heh.... run with it... Ganzy thinks "adjusting the drag" means to
straighten his dress..

CM

The "Practical" sailor?
 

My bad... your mom... not you are a mom.... bwaahahaha... even that's funny!

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Capt. JG" wrote in message
...
You're mom? I dumped her!

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Commodore Joe Redcloud" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 9 Jan 2006 19:15:08 -0800, "Capt. JG"
wrote:

Sure. Whatever you say. So, I guess there's no point to continuing the
thread... unless you have something else you need to say... go for it.
I'm
sure you'll feel better.

Pretty pathetic, Jon. Really. No wonder the stupid bitch dumped you.


Commodore Joe Redcloud

seriously Jim... (was The "Practical" Sailor?)
 

Instead of complaining about me putting down your fine vessel, give us some details about her sailing characteristics. When did you sail her last? Did you have any problems or questions about something? Are you making any improvements to her?

It's a Mac 26M right???

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Jim Cate" wrote in message ...
Actually, Cap, I don't have a Mac 26X. That's part of Jon's problem too. - He's talking about models they were producing 15 years ago.

Jim



Capt.Mooron wrote:

"Jim Cate" wrote in message

Incidentally, what, if anything, did your note contribute to this
newsgroup? Anything of value or substance? Anything educational?

Or are you just another troll?

You'd best give your head a shake and have another look in the mirror....
that's a number 8 Daredevil Lure on your upper lip there Cate.

Getting trolled and hooked by a no talent like Ganzy is probably the most
embarrassing thing imaginable.... next to owning a Mac 26X.

But Heh.... run with it... Ganzy thinks "adjusting the drag" means to
straighten his dress..

CM

seriously Jim... (was The "Practical" Sailor?)
 

Jelious Rob? Because Jim sailed all summer and you did not. Jim has a
real boat and uses it, while all you have are pictures of someone elses
boat.

Joe
Your Owner

seriously Jim... (was The "Practical" Sailor?)
 

Good Grief... I think that sounds a lot like a Gaynzy "SLURP"...

Bwahahahahahahahahahaaaaaa.....

Jon is the Master of Slurping for Acceptance!


CM

"Capt. JG" wrote in message
...
Instead of complaining about me putting down your fine vessel, give us some
details about her sailing characteristics. When did you sail her last? Did
you have any problems or questions about something? Are you making any
improvements to her?

It's a Mac 26M right???

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Jim Cate" wrote in message
...
Actually, Cap, I don't have a Mac 26X. That's part of Jon's problem
too. - He's talking about models they were producing 15 years ago.

Jim



Capt.Mooron wrote:

"Jim Cate" wrote in message

Incidentally, what, if anything, did your note contribute to this
newsgroup? Anything of value or substance? Anything educational?

Or are you just another troll?

You'd best give your head a shake and have another look in the mirror....
that's a number 8 Daredevil Lure on your upper lip there Cate.

Getting trolled and hooked by a no talent like Ganzy is probably the most
embarrassing thing imaginable.... next to owning a Mac 26X.

But Heh.... run with it... Ganzy thinks "adjusting the drag" means to
straighten his dress..

CM

seriously Jim... (was The "Practical" Sailor?)
 

Try to pay attention here Commode Rob.

1. Everybody knows your Rob Brody AKA Bobspirt, BB, Rusty, Crapt. Rob
You can denign it all you want but it is crystal clear to everybody.

2. You did not have a boat this summer, Jim did..... and out sailed you
by many miles.

3. Your wifes new boat is just French production junk, nothing more.

4. Lately you have sunken lower than whale ****, and that's on the
bottom of the ocean.

5. I own you.

Joe

The "Practical" sailor?
 

"Capt. JG" wrote in message
...
I'm not happy with my boat! Well, I would be if I owned one. I
just rent or
sail for free. I know that angers people.... so sorry.


No, it's Bob who's not happy with his 'stepping stone' boat.

Scotty

seriously Jim... (was The "Practical" Sailor?)
 

I think he is. I have lot more respect for Jim than for Commode. Personally,
I wouldn't pick a Mac, but Jim is at least sailing.

--
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"Joe" wrote in message
oups.com...
Jelious Rob? Because Jim sailed all summer and you did not. Jim has a
real boat and uses it, while all you have are pictures of someone elses
boat.

Joe
Your Owner

seriously Jim... (was The "Practical" Sailor?)
 

Yup... Mooron is having an "episode."

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"Capt.Mooron" wrote in message
news:FIPwf.52080$km.17631@edtnps89...
Good Grief... I think that sounds a lot like a Gaynzy "SLURP"...

Bwahahahahahahahahahaaaaaa.....

Jon is the Master of Slurping for Acceptance!


CM

"Capt. JG" wrote in message
...
Instead of complaining about me putting down your fine vessel, give us
some details about her sailing characteristics. When did you sail her
last? Did you have any problems or questions about something? Are you
making any improvements to her?

It's a Mac 26M right???

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Jim Cate" wrote in message
...
Actually, Cap, I don't have a Mac 26X. That's part of Jon's problem
too. - He's talking about models they were producing 15 years ago.

Jim



Capt.Mooron wrote:

"Jim Cate" wrote in message

Incidentally, what, if anything, did your note contribute to this
newsgroup? Anything of value or substance? Anything educational?

Or are you just another troll?

You'd best give your head a shake and have another look in the mirror....
that's a number 8 Daredevil Lure on your upper lip there Cate.

Getting trolled and hooked by a no talent like Ganzy is probably the most
embarrassing thing imaginable.... next to owning a Mac 26X.

But Heh.... run with it... Ganzy thinks "adjusting the drag" means to
straighten his dress..

CM

The "Practical" sailor?
 

Capt. JG wrote:

Please don't call me. Call Mooron. He likes fools and queers, apparently.

Sorry Jimmy, but you're never going to convince me that a MaccrapM has
any place in blue water sailing. I would also submit that you don't
have a clue about "sticking it out." I've been here practically since
the group was formed, and I'll be here long after your pathetic excuse
for a sailboat sinks beneath the ripples on your pond.



Gee Jon. - I was really impressed that you've been here practically
since the group was formed.

But then when I checked your posts to ASA on deja, the earliest one I
could find was May, 2002, when you were complaining about the fact that
you were a lousy draftsman in the back room or your house. (Of course,
maybe you had submitted earlier posts under a different name.) - In
contrast, my posts seem to begin in March, 1997, with further
participation in March of 1999 at which time I was debating whether to
get a Mac or a larger boat. (I decided to wait and continue chartering
larger boats.) Also some of my posts to rec.boats.cruising began in
1996. In other words, Jon, my participation on this and other sailing
ngs appear to have begun far earlier than yours, i.e., around 9 years
ago. Of course, it's true that I haven't spent as many hours posting
to the newsgroup over the years as you have, because I had other
responsibilities and demands on my time. Like, I had to get out of my
house and go to work.

But you probably changed your e-mail address, right Jon?

Jim

The "Practical" sailor?
 

And, I'm impressed that you're impressed.

Unfortunately, I think you're confusing me with someone else. I am neither a lousy nor proficient draftsman, since I am not nor have ever been a draftsman.

I've been posting here since the late 80s. Suggest you look again.

FYI, I've been sailing since I was 13, and I've sailed on boats up to about 60 ft.

I've had the same email address and have been posting to usenet since 1998 (when I initiated the sailnow.com domain). Prior to that (and currently actually), I've owned and used the pacintl.com to email and post.. created circa 1993. Prior to that I was using other company's addresses to email and post to usenet.

I'm fortunate that I pretty much work for myself, so I can post whenever I feel like it, with a couple of exceptions due to client assignment restrictions.

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"Jim Cate" wrote in message ...


Capt. JG wrote:

Please don't call me. Call Mooron. He likes fools and queers, apparently.

Sorry Jimmy, but you're never going to convince me that a MaccrapM has any place in blue water sailing. I would also submit that you don't have a clue about "sticking it out." I've been here practically since the group was formed, and I'll be here long after your pathetic excuse for a sailboat sinks beneath the ripples on your pond.


Gee Jon. - I was really impressed that you've been here practically since the group was formed.

But then when I checked your posts to ASA on deja, the earliest one I could find was May, 2002, when you were complaining about the fact that you were a lousy draftsman in the back room or your house. (Of course, maybe you had submitted earlier posts under a different name.) - In contrast, my posts seem to begin in March, 1997, with further participation in March of 1999 at which time I was debating whether to get a Mac or a larger boat. (I decided to wait and continue chartering larger boats.) Also some of my posts to rec.boats.cruising began in 1996. In other words, Jon, my participation on this and other sailing ngs appear to have begun far earlier than yours, i.e., around 9 years ago. Of course, it's true that I haven't spent as many hours posting to the newsgroup over the years as you have, because I had other responsibilities and demands on my time. Like, I had to get out of my house and go to work.

But you probably changed your e-mail address, right Jon?

Jim

The "Practical" sailor?
 

Here's some of my first posts...

Looking for Publisher/Company
... I can be reached as follows: Jonathan Ganz email:
..!decwrl!daisy!jonathan telephone voice: ...
misc.wanted - Jul 12 1989, 4:49 am


Help needed!!!!
.... I can be reached as follows: Jonathan Ganz email:
jonathan@daisy (whatever is correct) telephone voice: ...
soc.culture.asian.american - Jun 30 1989, 9:17 pm

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"Jim Cate" wrote in message ...


Capt. JG wrote:

Please don't call me. Call Mooron. He likes fools and queers, apparently.

Sorry Jimmy, but you're never going to convince me that a MaccrapM has any place in blue water sailing. I would also submit that you don't have a clue about "sticking it out." I've been here practically since the group was formed, and I'll be here long after your pathetic excuse for a sailboat sinks beneath the ripples on your pond.


Gee Jon. - I was really impressed that you've been here practically since the group was formed.

But then when I checked your posts to ASA on deja, the earliest one I could find was May, 2002, when you were complaining about the fact that you were a lousy draftsman in the back room or your house. (Of course, maybe you had submitted earlier posts under a different name.) - In contrast, my posts seem to begin in March, 1997, with further participation in March of 1999 at which time I was debating whether to get a Mac or a larger boat. (I decided to wait and continue chartering larger boats.) Also some of my posts to rec.boats.cruising began in 1996. In other words, Jon, my participation on this and other sailing ngs appear to have begun far earlier than yours, i.e., around 9 years ago. Of course, it's true that I haven't spent as many hours posting to the newsgroup over the years as you have, because I had other responsibilities and demands on my time. Like, I had to get out of my house and go to work.

But you probably changed your e-mail address, right Jon?

Jim

The "Practical" sailor?
 

Still stalking me I see. If you keep up this sort of thing, you're only
going to be hurting yourself. Anger is not something you want to mess with
and it can do real harm to you over the long term.

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"Commodore Joe Redcloud" wrote in message
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On Tue, 10 Jan 2006 14:38:55 -0800, "Capt. JG"
wrote:

And, I'm impressed that you're impressed.

Unfortunately, I think you're confusing me with someone else. I am neither
a lousy nor proficient draftsman, since I am not nor have ever been a
draftsman.

I've been posting here since the late 80s. Suggest you look again.

FYI, I've been sailing since I was 13, and I've sailed on boats up to
about 60 ft.

I've had the same email address and have been posting to usenet since 1998
(when I initiated the sailnow.com domain). Prior to that (and currently
actually), I've owned and used the pacintl.com to email and post.. created
circa 1993. Prior to that I was using other company's addresses to email
and post to usenet.

Until Informix booted your incompetent ass out the door and got you
blacklisted


I'm fortunate that I pretty much work for myself, since I have no choice,
so I can post whenever I feel like it, with a couple of exceptions due to
client assignment restrictions.


Commodore Joe Redcloud