Let's look at the safety features of Boulevard cars, namely the Subaru
Tribeca.

It has been touted for it's safety in crash tests, with air bags deploying,
DVD players crushing, sound systems blasting alarms, cup holders unfolding
at the like. This is all passive safety and rightly so this car is laden
with it, 4500 lbs worth.

Why? Because it is lacking in active safety features. Active safety features
help the driver avoid accidents. Things like acceleration, steering,
visibility, etc contribute to avoiding accidents. The Tribeca's acceleration
is glacial. It will never outrun that Boar's Head Truck closing in on you.
Nimbleness and steering? Forget that, it handles like a large truck,
probably that Boar's Head one. The pig can't overcome it's own inertia, it
can't get out of its own way! No wonder life rafts must inflate from every
corner upon impact!

At least the gas tank is miniscule and the fuel consumption is high so the
chances of collision are small because you're always at the gas station
filling up. If you are on the road, chances are the gas tank isn't holding
much. This car is not going to erupt into a fireball, like the STI.

Get a load of that STI! A hood scoop and an elevated rear spoiler! The body
designers saw one too many episodes of "Dukes of Hazard"! Where's the air
dam and flame decals on the side?!?! That's the car for 18 year olds or the
retired person who is trying to recapture a youth never lived (he spent all
his time working as life passed him by). What's missing is the big "L" on
the sides for loser! No wonder this car was only offered one year!

And Brutus is an honorable man!

Amen!

Why? Because it is lacking in active safety features. Active safety
features
help the driver avoid accidents. Things like acceleration, steering,
visibility, etc contribute to avoiding accidents.

According to Motor and Trend and Car And Driver, the Tribeca went
through the slalom faster than the Tundra by near 9 MPH!
According to the same sources it's faster at speed than the tundra and
does better on the skidpad.

Get a load of that STI! A hood scoop and an elevated rear spoiler! The body
designers saw one too many episodes of "Dukes of Hazard"!

The scoop is active. The rear spoiler can be left off if you so choose,
but it's a working spoiler at speeds over 110 MPH providing good
downward push.

RB
35s5
NY

"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
oups.com.


The scoop is active It really sucks , really. The rear spoiler can be left
off if you so choose,
but it's a working spoiler at speeds over 10 MPH providing good
forward push.

RB
35s5
NY

"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
oups.com...

The scoop is active.

Good Lord! Better check out how effective that intercooler is:

http://www.gnttype.org/techarea/turbo/intercooler.html

Why not just supercharge that thing?


The rear spoiler can be left off if you so choose,
but it's a working spoiler at speeds over 110 MPH providing good
downward push.

Oh really?

http://www.se-r.net/body_trim/effective_real_wing.html

The spoiler provides no downward push at all (exept in the form of drag):

http://www.epinions.com/auto-review-...3A231082-prod1

It's only purpose is to disrupt laminar air flow over the car body. The
disrupted air flow decreases air pressure differential between the bottom
and top of the car body, the spoiler provides almost no downward force. If
you don't believe me go put the amount of weight you think the spoiler
creates on it, then watch the deflection. For example, put 250 pounds on the
center of the spoiler and watch it bend. Then go drive your car at 130 mph
at look for the same deflection. It's not there.

Here's an airfoil that creates real downward pressu

http://tamsoldracecarsite.net/MartinHill95CanAm66.html

Compare that to your little wind disruptor.

Fake air scoop!

Fake spoiler!

That thing is a Ford escort all dressed up!

aaahahahahahahahahahahahaaaa!!!!!



RB
35s5
NY

For your edification:

http://www.autozine.org/technical_sc.../tech_aero.htm

http://wings.avkids.com/Book/Sports/...acecar-01.html

"The rear spoiler can reduce flow separation at the rear window, which
reduces drag. It also increases air flow under the body, which promotes
downforce at the rear of the car. "

Note: This is the force of the air on the entire top surface of the car, not
any downward force of the spoiler.

The following is from Dummies.com, for dummies like you. They make a clear
distinction between a spoiler and a wing. You seem to lack the knowledge of
that distinction, so read on:

http://www.dummies.com/WileyCDA/Dumm...e/id-2672.html


Spoilers
The ubiquitous spoiler is the little flap or raised protrusion on the rear
decklids of coupes and sedans, or on the upper edge of the rear gate on
hatchbacks. Although the spoiler is often a cosmetic upgrade designed to
tell the world that your car is "sporty," it also has a very specific role
in aerodynamics.

As the name implies, this device spoils the airflow over the top half of the
car at the trailing edge of the car's upper surface. The spoiler can keep
airflow from tumbling and creating a swirling vortex behind the car. This is
important for a couple of reasons - without a spoiler, swirling air behind
the car can create both

Drag (which can keep the car from moving forward as quickly as possible).
Drag is expressed as a numeric coefficient of wind resistance.
Lift (which reduces the car's grip on the road at speed)


So we all see that cars for Dummies is an advanced text for you, providing
insight and knowledge that you didn't have before!

Bwaahahahaahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaaaaa!!!!!!

Is all you know just hype and myth?

Please, someday show otherwise!

The Bobfish fileted, roasted and skewered!

Amen!

The rear wing on the STI provided 38 lbs of downward force at 120 MPH.
That's quite significant to the ballance of the car. Now go google that
and learn about the STI's stability at 140 MPH vs. other cars.

Bob, this has gotten very boring because all you;re doing is googling
up a storm and have no info of your own. I could have trolled against
the B9 or STI sooooo much better with much less effort.
Not only do you suck in a debate...you suck at trolling. Here, let me
prove it to you.


RB
35s5....better than ALL of the boats on sailing.asa
NY

Hey Boobie, do you also have one of those way cool trash can mufflers
that make the little kiddie car sound like a leaf blower?

35s5 ....... always at the end of the pack.

Man I wish they'd ban them. They sound like crap and it's mostly
on stock little jap cars with no power and poser kids trying to
be cool. Sorta like Bob, eh?


Scotty


"rgnmstr" wrote in message
oups.com...
Hey Boobie, do you also have one of those way cool trash can
mufflers
that make the little kiddie car sound like a leaf blower?

35s5 ....... always at the end of the pack.

"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
oups.com...
The rear wing on the STI provided 38 lbs of downward force at 120 MPH.

Wing or spoiler? Which is it?


That's quite significant to the ballance of the car.

Less weight than 5 gallons of gas.

Now go google that
and learn about the STI's stability at 140 MPH vs. other cars.

What is stability? Dynamic, static or transcendental?



Bob, this has gotten very boring because all you;re doing is googling
up a storm and have no info of your own.

Not so. It's not common knowledge how a spoiler really works. I'm simply
googling back up.

Like, your opinions are your own?

Like, what you say is not hype?

Like, bite me!



I could have trolled against
the B9 or STI sooooo much better with much less effort.

Lying takes very little effort. Truth and knowledge require effort.

Not only do you suck in a debate...you suck at trolling. Here, let me
prove it to you.

What debate? Fact is fact. I'm not trolling, I'm showing you are wrong!




RB
35s5....better than ALL of the boats on sailing.asa, except Crantz's.
NY