Whats the name of the sail
 

Between the main and mizzen mast?
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Joe

Whats the name of the sail
 

jigger sail



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Between the main and mizzen mast?
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No, the jigger is the mizzen, as in sailing "Jib and Jigger."

I've usually heard the sail between the main and mizzen called a
stays'l, but I suppose it depends on how its rigged.

Bob Crantz wrote:
jigger sail



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Is that a Baltimore Oriole on the chute?

Whats the name of the sail
 

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It's a mizzen staysail, Joe. Had one on our previous boat, a ketch. For
what it's worth, the yawl was a rig concept in which the mizzen had
virtually no value beyond the ability to carry a mizzen staysail, generally
the huge balloony ones, almost like an asymmetrical spinnaker. A yawl's
mizzen was too small to be of much value beyond balancing the helm a little.
(This is from a book by Donald Long.)

Max

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Joe wrote:
Between the main and mizzen mast?
http://www.tallshipstacoma.com/images/ships/oriole.jpg

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The small stripped sail between the mizzen and main is the mizzen
staysail. It's kind of an assymetric for the mizzen. The tack normally
goes inboard of the main as far windward as possible. The clew sheets to
the end of the mizzen boom. It is only useful between 90 and 135
degrees off the wind. It has to be dropped for each tack or gybe.

In this picture it is hoisted wrong.

Gaz

Whats the name of the sail
 

Jeff wrote:
No, the jigger is the mizzen, as in sailing "Jib and Jigger."

I've usually heard the sail between the main and mizzen called a
stays'l, but I suppose it depends on how its rigged.

Bob Crantz wrote:

jigger sail



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Between the main and mizzen mast?
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Yes we call it a stays'l. We also sail jib and jigger but never refer
to the mizzen as the jigger.
On Oriole we have luff tackles at the bitter end of every halyard. They
are called jiggers. The halyards are rigged with a 4:1 purchase and the
luff tackles (called jiggers) give us another 4:1 purchase on the other
end of the halyard. When we raise a sail we get it up the last little
bit and tighten the luff with the jiggers that give us 16:1 purchase on
the head of the sail.

There are no winches on Oriole. Everything is rigged luff on luff as
jiggers.

Whats the name of the sail
 

rgnmstr wrote:
Is that a Baltimore Oriole on the chute?

I don't know. It is an Oriole.

Whats the name of the sail
 

Normally that would be a Mizzen Staysail.
A white sail.

There might be a different name for a light
weight nylon staysail.

Jigger is another word for mizzen.

"Bob Crantz" wrote

jigger sail

"Joe" wrote
Between the main and mizzen mast?
http://www.tallshipstacoma.com/images/ships/oriole.jpg

Whats the name of the sail
 

Joe wrote:
Between the main and mizzen mast?
http://www.tallshipstacoma.com/images/ships/oriole.jpg



Gary wrote:
The small stripped sail between the mizzen and main is the mizzen
staysail. It's kind of an assymetric for the mizzen. The tack normally
goes inboard of the main as far windward as possible. The clew sheets to
the end of the mizzen boom. It is only useful between 90 and 135
degrees off the wind. It has to be dropped for each tack or gybe.

In this picture it is hoisted wrong.


I wondered about that from the dimensions of the foot &
leach, plus the stripes on sails usually go the other way!

BTW there are mizzen staysails that can be used upwind, they
generally sheet to the centerline or close to it. Mari-Cha
IV uses one.

I was taught that a mizzen ballooner sheeted to the mizzen
boom was a "Dutchman's britches"... we had several of these
type sails on a Navy-owned ketch at NTC Great Lakes, but
none of them set properly no matter where we sheeted them. I
suspect they were made for a different boat.

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

Whats the name of the sail
 

Are your bitter ends adjustable for your jiggers? If not how can you
sheet in that last hard bit on all tacks?

Joe

Whats the name of the sail
 

Oh never mind...I see you said halyards..not sheets

Joe

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"DSK" wrote in message
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BTW there are mizzen staysails that can be used upwind, they generally
sheet to the centerline or close to it. Mari-Cha IV uses one.

Ours could be sheeted either to the windward or the leeward rail, but there
was nowhere near the centerline to secure the tack. Sheeted to windward it
was great for beam to broad reaching. Sheeted to the lee rail it could be
sailed to weather, but it really didn't help much.

Max

Whats the name of the sail
 

DSK wrote:
Joe wrote:

Between the main and mizzen mast?
http://www.tallshipstacoma.com/images/ships/oriole.jpg



Gary wrote:

The small stripped sail between the mizzen and main is the mizzen
staysail. It's kind of an assymetric for the mizzen. The tack
normally goes inboard of the main as far windward as possible. The
clew sheets to the end of the mizzen boom. It is only useful between
90 and 135 degrees off the wind. It has to be dropped for each tack
or gybe.

In this picture it is hoisted wrong.


I wondered about that from the dimensions of the foot & leach, plus the
stripes on sails usually go the other way!

BTW there are mizzen staysails that can be used upwind, they generally
sheet to the centerline or close to it. Mari-Cha IV uses one.

I was taught that a mizzen ballooner sheeted to the mizzen boom was a
"Dutchman's britches"... we had several of these type sails on a
Navy-owned ketch at NTC Great Lakes, but none of them set properly no
matter where we sheeted them. I suspect they were made for a different
boat.

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

Wake up Doug, it's not upside down, it's outboard of the main boom. It
should be inboard.

The best they can do is about 60 degrees upwind then they get in the way
of sheeting the main.

Gaz

Whats the name of the sail
 

Joe wrote:
Are your bitter ends adjustable for your jiggers? If not how can you
sheet in that last hard bit on all tacks?

Joe

The jiggers on the sheets are on the turning blocks not the bitter ends.
The jiggers on the halyards are on the bitter ends.

Whats the name of the sail
 

BTW there are mizzen staysails that can be used upwind, they generally
sheet to the centerline or close to it. Mari-Cha IV uses one.


Oops... bad typing... I meant 'tacked' to the centerline,
not sheeted.

Although the staysails I've seen that were useful upwind
sails were sheeted a bit closer to centerline than
headsails, obviously hardening the sail flat to the
centerline wouldn't produce much drive.

Maxprop wrote:
Ours could be sheeted either to the windward or the leeward rail, but there
was nowhere near the centerline to secure the tack.

On many ketches & yawls, the only place to do so would be
down the companionway. Not gonna work too well.

... Sheeted to windward it
was great for beam to broad reaching. Sheeted to the lee rail it could be
sailed to weather, but it really didn't help much.


Agreed, but then two masted rigs don't usually shine going
hard on the wind anway. The ones I've sailed personlly have
given me the impression that except under rare & ideal
conditions, the mizzen staysail is more for looks and to
keep the crew busy than to go faster.

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

Whats the name of the sail
 

DSK wrote:
BTW there are mizzen staysails that can be used upwind, they
generally sheet to the centerline or close to it. Mari-Cha IV uses one.



Oops... bad typing... I meant 'tacked' to the centerline, not sheeted.

Although the staysails I've seen that were useful upwind sails were
sheeted a bit closer to centerline than headsails, obviously hardening
the sail flat to the centerline wouldn't produce much drive.

Maxprop wrote:

Ours could be sheeted either to the windward or the leeward rail, but
there was nowhere near the centerline to secure the tack.


On many ketches & yawls, the only place to do so would be down the
companionway. Not gonna work too well.

... Sheeted to windward it was great for beam to broad reaching.
Sheeted to the lee rail it could be sailed to weather, but it really
didn't help much.


Agreed, but then two masted rigs don't usually shine going hard on the
wind anway. The ones I've sailed personlly have given me the impression
that except under rare & ideal conditions, the mizzen staysail is more
for looks and to keep the crew busy than to go faster.

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

On Oriole, the staysail is good up to about 15 knots apparent with the
wind on the beam or nearly on the beam. It gives us a knot. When
running way off the wind I sometime hand the mizzen and sail with the
stays'l, main and a kite. The boat is less squirrelly when the centre
of effort is moved forward. If the wind come up at all the stays'l
comes down.
It can be tacked anywhere (windward or leeward) but I use the base of
the mainmast. The mizzen boom acts like a spin pole (sorta)
You're right about pointing. We are lucky to see 45 degrees.

Whats the name of the sail
 

Gary wrote:
On Oriole, the staysail is good up to about 15 knots apparent with the
wind on the beam or nearly on the beam. It gives us a knot.

That's pretty good... how fast is the boat going by then?

... When
running way off the wind I sometime hand the mizzen and sail with the
stays'l, main and a kite. The boat is less squirrelly when the centre
of effort is moved forward. If the wind come up at all the stays'l
comes down.

One of the nice things about the rig, lots of options for
balance and shortening down.

DSK

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DSK wrote:
Gary wrote:

On Oriole, the staysail is good up to about 15 knots apparent with the
wind on the beam or nearly on the beam. It gives us a knot.


That's pretty good... how fast is the boat going by then?
10 or so.

... When running way off the wind I sometime hand the mizzen and sail
with the stays'l, main and a kite. The boat is less squirrelly when
the centre of effort is moved forward. If the wind come up at all the
stays'l comes down.


One of the nice things about the rig, lots of options for balance and
shortening down.

DSK

Whats the name of the sail
 

Could it not be sheeted to the Mizzen mast partners
if a better place coudl not be found?

"DSK" wrote
BTW there are mizzen staysails that can be used upwind, they generally
sheet to the centerline or close to it. Mari-Cha IV uses one.


Oops... bad typing... I meant 'tacked' to the centerline, not sheeted.

Although the staysails I've seen that were useful upwind sails were
sheeted a bit closer to centerline than headsails, obviously hardening the
sail flat to the centerline wouldn't produce much drive.

Maxprop wrote:
Ours could be sheeted either to the windward or the leeward rail, but
there was nowhere near the centerline to secure the tack.

On many ketches & yawls, the only place to do so would be down the
companionway. Not gonna work too well.

... Sheeted to windward it was great for beam to broad reaching.
Sheeted to the lee rail it could be sailed to weather, but it really
didn't help much.


Agreed, but then two masted rigs don't usually shine going hard on the
wind anway. The ones I've sailed personlly have given me the impression
that except under rare & ideal conditions, the mizzen staysail is more for
looks and to keep the crew busy than to go faster.

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

Whats the name of the sail
 

Bart Senior wrote:
Could it not be sheeted to the Mizzen mast partners
if a better place coudl not be found?

"DSK" wrote

BTW there are mizzen staysails that can be used upwind, they generally
sheet to the centerline or close to it. Mari-Cha IV uses one.

Oops... bad typing... I meant 'tacked' to the centerline, not sheeted.

Although the staysails I've seen that were useful upwind sails were
sheeted a bit closer to centerline than headsails, obviously hardening the
sail flat to the centerline wouldn't produce much drive.

Maxprop wrote:

Ours could be sheeted either to the windward or the leeward rail, but
there was nowhere near the centerline to secure the tack.

On many ketches & yawls, the only place to do so would be down the
companionway. Not gonna work too well.


... Sheeted to windward it was great for beam to broad reaching.
Sheeted to the lee rail it could be sailed to weather, but it really
didn't help much.


Agreed, but then two masted rigs don't usually shine going hard on the
wind anway. The ones I've sailed personlly have given me the impression
that except under rare & ideal conditions, the mizzen staysail is more for
looks and to keep the crew busy than to go faster.

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

The stays'l sheets much farther aft than the mizzen mast. It is like a
150 genoa and sheets right aft or to the mizzen boom. Our mizzen boom
over hangs by about 8 or 10 feet and that is where we sheet it.

Gaz