So Katy
 

It's nice to have a boat thats more than a weekend toy costing money
isn't it?

No more School Tax, no more property tax, a home that rocks you to
sleep.

Take 10 min to go sailing, great sunsets and sunrises on the water
every day.

Only us liveaboards enjoy the true value a fine sailing vessel
provides.

I think I'll stroll the decks now, perhaps feed the birds and have
another cup of fresh Hills Brothers coffee up on the forecastle.
Charlie the crab man should be making his rounds anytime now. Going to
see if he has a soft shells for us.

Joe
RedCloud the perfect home

So Katy
 

Don't forget no kids, no lathe, no mill, no MIG/TIG, no extensive library,
no appreciating asset (in some markets houses have doubled in value over the
last 7 years), boats are more work than houses, a large yacht is smaller
than an efficiency condo in square footage, etc.

Dock fees are higher than school/property taxes.

A boat is not a house. On lives aboard to travel, not to remain in one
place.

Amen!

"Joe" wrote in message
oups.com...
It's nice to have a boat thats more than a weekend toy costing money
isn't it?

No more School Tax, no more property tax, a home that rocks you to
sleep.

Take 10 min to go sailing, great sunsets and sunrises on the water
every day.

Only us liveaboards enjoy the true value a fine sailing vessel
provides.

I think I'll stroll the decks now, perhaps feed the birds and have
another cup of fresh Hills Brothers coffee up on the forecastle.
Charlie the crab man should be making his rounds anytime now. Going to
see if he has a soft shells for us.

Joe
RedCloud the perfect home

So Katy
 

So you should endlessy wander?

You travel to visit and discover, to broaden your horizon, not to
wander forever towards one.

If you want to invest in a house to make money then thats fine, but
the bubble is bursting in realestate Bob.

Living on a sailboat is about freedom.

Joe

Joe

So Katy
 

Freedom to do something

or

Freedom from something?


So far you have only described your paradise as the absense of things. The
absense of hatred is not love, the absense of anger is not happiness.

Absense is emptiness, emptiness is nothing.

What is it about being a live aboard that fullfills?

How does being a live aboard represent your highest values in life?




"Joe" wrote in message
oups.com...
So you should endlessy wander?

You travel to visit and discover, to broaden your horizon, not to
wander forever towards one.

If you want to invest in a house to make money then thats fine, but
the bubble is bursting in realestate Bob.

Living on a sailboat is about freedom.

Joe

Joe

So Katy
 

Joe,

Is living on a Sailboat really about "Freedom" or "Free Loading?"



http://community.webtv.net/tassail/ThomPage

So Katy
 

Freedom to do both and take my home with me.

You assume I miss long commutes, yard work, fast food, routines, solid
ground.

I'm fullfilled by perfect sunsets off the bow, the sound of the waves,
the smell of the water, unblocked breezes, and having the ability to
provide everything I need from my home.

I'm at the perfect marina on a lake where lubbers pay 2 million
dollars to have a view as nice as mine.

My highest value or goal in life is to provide and protect my family
and enjoy being with the people I like. Living aboard gives me more
freedom to do that. I've had the land with barns full of stuff, and
it's just that .....stuff. Some people get so much stuff they become
slaves to the stuff. Jesus did not have a bunch of stuff did he Bob?

Joe

So Katy
 

Freedom.

A good Sailboat with the proper equipment needs nothing but the winds
and a sharp crew to provide everything a sailor needs to survive. Is it
free loading? Maybe, but thats why god gave us wind and the oceans.

Joe

So Katy
 

Jesus was not a live aboard either.

You'll be sailing on lava soon.

It seems being a live aboard satisfies you by providing things from without
rather than things from within.

Capt Neal is the only man who understands what sailing truly is. Maybe
Mooron.

Those two won't be sailing in lava, but you will!

That Ms Terry is the devil!

Amen!


"Joe" wrote in message
ups.com...
Freedom to do both and take my home with me.

You assume I miss long commutes, yard work, fast food, routines, solid
ground.

I'm fullfilled by perfect sunsets off the bow, the sound of the waves,
the smell of the water, unblocked breezes, and having the ability to
provide everything I need from my home.

I'm at the perfect marina on a lake where lubbers pay 2 million
dollars to have a view as nice as mine.

My highest value or goal in life is to provide and protect my family
and enjoy being with the people I like. Living aboard gives me more
freedom to do that. I've had the land with barns full of stuff, and
it's just that .....stuff. Some people get so much stuff they become
slaves to the stuff. Jesus did not have a bunch of stuff did he Bob?

Joe

So Katy
 

Oh..... the things from within. Well every bone in my body is happier
afloat then ashore. Is that what you mean Bob?

2 sad puppets in 1 Commodore Crantz?

Joe

So Katy
 

But what is it that makes you happy?

Is being afloat true happiness?

What does it fullfill?

What is it that you are trying to fullfill? Think on the abstract level.

So far all you have managed to do is describe duty to family, escape or
evasion and lesser degrees of suffering.

What is YOUR purpose, your core sense of life and how is it fullfilled?

Praise!




"Joe" wrote in message
oups.com...
Oh..... the things from within. Well every bone in my body is happier
afloat then ashore. Is that what you mean Bob?

2 sad puppets in 1 Commodore Crantz?

Joe

So Katy
 

You tell me yours, and I will tell you mine.

Joe

So Katy
 

I purposely didn't give you any clues or hints. Think about it some more.
It's not important that you post it here, it's important to give it some
thought.

It's ok Joe, they'll let you sail on the cooler portions of the lava.

Amen!






"Joe" wrote in message
oups.com...
You tell me yours, and I will tell you mine.

Joe

So Katy
 

Joe wrote:
It's nice to have a boat thats more than a weekend toy costing money
isn't it?

No more School Tax, no more property tax, a home that rocks you to
sleep.

Take 10 min to go sailing, great sunsets and sunrises on the water
every day.

Only us liveaboards enjoy the true value a fine sailing vessel
provides.
The liveaboards around here never move. They would have to move al the
junk in the cockpit and all over the deck. In my experience it's the
racers that get out quickest, most often and in all weather.

I think I'll stroll the decks now, perhaps feed the birds and have
another cup of fresh Hills Brothers coffee
Hills Brothers......gag
up on the forecastle.
Foredeck, the fo'csle is inside.
Charlie the crab man should be making his rounds anytime now. Going to
see if he has a soft shells for us.

Joe
RedCloud the perfect home

So Katy
 

Bull****.

Here is a picture of a proper forcastle pronounced (fo'csle) on the
Texas.

http://www.quarterly-report.com/tour..._rotated33.jpg

I mustered on a forecastle for 4 years... I know what a forecastle is.

joe

So Katy
 

Joe wrote:
So you should endlessy wander?

You travel to visit and discover, to broaden your horizon, not to
wander forever towards one.

If you want to invest in a house to make money then thats fine, but
the bubble is bursting in realestate Bob.

Living on a sailboat is about freedom.

Joe

Joe

Dream on. Unless you are connected to this drivel by a satellite
connection from some distant, secluded anchorage, siping martinis that
some minion made, your freedom is a myth. Freedom is not having to suck
the blackwater out of your tank, paint the bottom, change the oil and
fill the tanks. Freedom is owning the dock, the boat, a house, condo in
Aspen and a travel agency. Freedom is someone else getting up to check
the lines at 0200. Living on a boat is the pain that some of us
ordinary people are willing to put up with to have a small taste of
freedom but freedom it ain't

Too bad you missed out on those house deals!

So Katy
 

Joe wrote:
Freedom to do both and take my home with me.

You assume I miss long commutes, yard work, fast food, routines, solid
ground.

I'm fullfilled by perfect sunsets off the bow, the sound of the waves,
the smell of the water, unblocked breezes, and having the ability to
provide everything I need from my home.

I'm at the perfect marina on a lake where lubbers pay 2 million
dollars to have a view as nice as mine.

Lake?
My highest value or goal in life is to provide and protect my family
and enjoy being with the people I like. Living aboard gives me more
freedom to do that. I've had the land with barns full of stuff, and
it's just that .....stuff. Some people get so much stuff they become
slaves to the stuff. Jesus did not have a bunch of stuff did he Bob?

Joe

So Katy
 

Joe wrote:
Freedom.

A good Sailboat with the proper equipment needs nothing but the winds
and a sharp crew to provide everything a sailor needs to survive. Is it
free loading? Maybe, but thats why god gave us wind and the oceans.

Joe

Light up another one.

So Katy
 

Too Bad? Last house I bought, I sold it 4 years later and doubled my
investment.

Wireless is here, the price will drop and I will indeed be in a
secluded cove or lagoon sipping martini's soon. Best thing is I will be
making good money while I do it.

Capt. Poop sucks out the waste, I dont even have to be here. Mexicans
paint the bottom and I do not mind tinkering with engines.

Shoulden't you be out raking leaves or something?

Joe

So Katy
 

What? You doubt what I say?

Need proof?

Joe

So Katy
 

Joe wrote:
Bull****.

Here is a picture of a proper forcastle pronounced (fo'csle) on the
Texas.

http://www.quarterly-report.com/tour..._rotated33.jpg

I mustered on a forecastle for 4 years... I know what a forecastle is.

joe

It is different on a ship. On a small boat it is called the foredeck.
It would be pompous to call it a fo'csle. We muster the ship's crew on
the fo'csle. As in: "Fo'csle berthing party close up." Big difference
on your little liveaboard. "Coffee is served on the foredeck."

When and where did you serve on the old girl? BB35? Trade?

So Katy
 

I never served on the Texas but I've crawled thru ever square inch of
her and donated some vintage items. What a ship.

On RedCloud it's the Fo'csle, just above the Masters Stateroom in the
Officers Quarters thru the Passageway forward of the Galley and Frame
14. Hey call me pompous just don't call me Bobspirt.

Joe

So Katy
 

Oh.. I mustered on Fat Sams Forecastle as a Bos'n

http://www.usssamuelgompers.org/ Quarterdeck.htm

Turn up the volume!!!!!

Joe

So Katy
 

Joe wrote:
I never served on the Texas but I've crawled thru ever square inch of
her and donated some vintage items. What a ship.

On RedCloud it's the Fo'csle, just above the Masters Stateroom in the
Officers Quarters thru the Passageway forward of the Galley and Frame
14. Hey call me pompous just don't call me Bobspirt.

Joe

So why did you muster for 4 years on the fo'csle? Lost?

So Katy
 

Joe wrote:
Oh.. I mustered on Fat Sams Forecastle as a Bos'n

http://www.usssamuelgompers.org/ Quarterdeck.htm

Turn up the volume!!!!!

Joe

I was on the Gompers in Pusan in '89 or '90. We called it the
"Chompers" because of all the female crew. You know.....

So Katy
 

No ****! Well its a small world, if we caught you dis our women we
stomp ya into the deck ya know.

I was aboard from 78 to 81... lucky enough to report aboard about a
week after the ladies, did 2 west pac's.

Joe

So Katy
 

Joe wrote:
No ****! Well its a small world, if we caught you dis our women we
stomp ya into the deck ya know.

I was aboard from 78 to 81... lucky enough to report aboard about a
week after the ladies, did 2 west pac's.

Joe

Small world.

So Katy
 

yeah, they sunk here a couple of years ago. Why were you aboard? What
was the Fat Sam doing for you?

Joe

So Katy
 

Joe wrote:
yeah, they sunk here a couple of years ago. Why were you aboard? What
was the Fat Sam doing for you?

Joe

I am in the Canadian Navy and we were there on a West Pac tied outboard
of the Chompers.

So Katy
 

Canada has a Navy?
Bwahahahahahahhahahahaha....... no really why were you on the Gompers?

Joe

So Katy
 

Joe wrote:
Canada has a Navy?
Bwahahahahahahhahahahaha....... no really why were you on the Gompers?

Joe

I wasn't on the Gompers, they were on our ship.
No beer on USS Anything, remember.

So Katy
 

On your ship? I thought you said you were outboard...Why were Gompers
people on your ship, what were they fixing?

Joe

So Katy
 

Well, we still have the taxes since we haven't sold our house yet, but the
rest is true. Was going to go fishing this afternoon but a storm brewed up
and we had a stint of 25-30 knot gusts blowing and then some rain. Went to
see Harry Potter instead. Will fish tomorrow...my minnows are growing in my
minnow bucket and I don't want them to get so large tht they attract a bull
shark or barracuda, ya know.

"Joe" wrote in message
oups.com...
It's nice to have a boat thats more than a weekend toy costing money
isn't it?

No more School Tax, no more property tax, a home that rocks you to
sleep.

Take 10 min to go sailing, great sunsets and sunrises on the water
every day.

Only us liveaboards enjoy the true value a fine sailing vessel
provides.

I think I'll stroll the decks now, perhaps feed the birds and have
another cup of fresh Hills Brothers coffee up on the forecastle.
Charlie the crab man should be making his rounds anytime now. Going to
see if he has a soft shells for us.

Joe
RedCloud the perfect home

So Katy
 

We'll be going down "the Ditch" probablt in June...or maybe up...one way or
ta other, we'll be going somewhere....and our dock fees are no where near
the amount we pay in property and school taxes at home....also, discovereing
that you will not kill each other when forced into close cap(even after 27
years of living together) is a reassuring thing...
tivity

"Bob Crantz" wrote in message
k.net...
Don't forget no kids, no lathe, no mill, no MIG/TIG, no extensive library,
no appreciating asset (in some markets houses have doubled in value over
the
last 7 years), boats are more work than houses, a large yacht is smaller
than an efficiency condo in square footage, etc.

Dock fees are higher than school/property taxes.

A boat is not a house. On lives aboard to travel, not to remain in one
place.

Amen!

"Joe" wrote in message
oups.com...
It's nice to have a boat thats more than a weekend toy costing money
isn't it?

No more School Tax, no more property tax, a home that rocks you to
sleep.

Take 10 min to go sailing, great sunsets and sunrises on the water
every day.

Only us liveaboards enjoy the true value a fine sailing vessel
provides.

I think I'll stroll the decks now, perhaps feed the birds and have
another cup of fresh Hills Brothers coffee up on the forecastle.
Charlie the crab man should be making his rounds anytime now. Going to
see if he has a soft shells for us.

Joe
RedCloud the perfect home

So Katy
 

So far, we've seen both those seeking freedom and those who are
freeloaders....the freeloaders are strange creatures....

"Thom Stewart" wrote in message
...
Joe,

Is living on a Sailboat really about "Freedom" or "Free Loading?"



http://community.webtv.net/tassail/ThomPage

So Katy
 

Joe wrote:
On your ship? I thought you said you were outboard...Why were Gompers
people on your ship, what were they fixing?

Joe

Fixing nothing, drinking.

So Katy
 

"Bob Crantz" wrote
It's ok Joe, they'll let you sail on the cooler portions of the lava.

Which, upon cooling, might become solid ground, albeit hot ground, which
would put Joe in his own special hell because he'd now be on solid ground?
I think I'm following your logic here.

btw Bob, though I usually agree with your posts, I have to disagree
regarding Neal. Brilliant as his posts may be, each one exudes a waft of
some pale, yellow, nonmetallic element that occurs widely in nature in
several free and combined allotropic forms.

Scout

So Katy
 

"Gary" wrote:
Freedom is not having to suck the blackwater out of your
tank, paint the bottom, change the oil and fill the tanks.
Freedom is owning the dock, the boat, a house, condo in
Aspen and a travel agency. Freedom is someone else getting
up to check the lines at 0200.

That's not freedom, that's just bigger bills.

Living on a boat is the pain that some of us ordinary
people are willing to put up with to have a small taste of
freedom but freedom it ain't

Living on a boat is a choice like anything else in life.
Some of us love it, and don't see the "pain" you speak of.

Seahag
..

So Katy
 

Were you on a tin can? What was her name?

Makes sence we would be emptying your bar before we shoved you off.

Did you see the pictures I posted of the Gompers girls that were in
playboy?

They make Bubbles Ghost girls look rather dull and plain and weekend
warriorish.

http://pickle235.tripod.com/cgi-bin/Page.html

Lisa Ann Wolf was a good friend we use to hang out together on the
fishing barge in Deigo Garcia

Joe

So Katy
 

But from that matter allotropic springs all life. It is the fertilizer of
greatness.


"Scout" wrote in message
. ..
"Bob Crantz" wrote
It's ok Joe, they'll let you sail on the cooler portions of the lava.

Which, upon cooling, might become solid ground, albeit hot ground, which
would put Joe in his own special hell because he'd now be on solid ground?
I think I'm following your logic here.

btw Bob, though I usually agree with your posts, I have to disagree
regarding Neal. Brilliant as his posts may be, each one exudes a waft of
some pale, yellow, nonmetallic element that occurs widely in nature in
several free and combined allotropic forms.

Scout

So Katy
 

No Beer?

Well that somewhat true, however while in Deigo Garcia in 1980 during
the Iran Hostage time, we had a cargo ship tie next to us. They had a
busted cargo boom, so we had to offload her across the boat deck of the
gompers. luckly the ship had all the booze for the island for 3 mo.
Needless to say some of the cargo was lost and damaged while
transferring it. So much so we filled a 40 ft utility boat to the
gunnels. It was a 3 week drunk. Every crane and boat, the Bos'n locker,
the paint locker, tool room all had bars.

Even so you could go on to atoll and get a 5th of Jack for 3.50..No
taxes.

I'll always have good memories of Deigo Garcia. Mike who is a Merchant
Marine and sailor just sent me some post cards showing how developed
the island is now. It was nearly pristine in the early 80's.

Joe