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Swabbie said:
Joe. She's a nice home, sure
and steady. But performance is not what she's about.

Joe wrote:
That depends on how you define preformance.

In 30 kt winds and 20 ft seas RedCloud will out preform any boat here.

In speed? Not even close.
In sea-keeping? probably, although hard chine hulls tend to
be a bit more noisy & bouncy than others in the same
displacement category.

The Johnson 18 has been clocked at over 20 knots and outruns
the waves (ie faster than any boat can go by surfing), but
after a few hours you start looking for a more comfy place
to relax, maybe have a sandwich. Some of us have talked
about doing longer races but I really don't want to stay in
a wetsuit for 24+ hours even if it did get me in the record
books.

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

Your Johnson 18 has hard Chines?

Yeah in sea keeping. Ol Swabbie thinks 20 footer in 30 knot winds is a
survival condition. I was just talking about prime sailing conditions
and great surfing above hull speed. A single reef, board down to 11
feet, nice stable comfortable wheelhouse to drink coffee and snack of
sandwiches as the auto pilot handles the wheel.

And Doug you take you hand off that tiller to eat or drink your going
over in those conditions. In 24 hours we would pass you in 48hrs we
would be coming back to rescue you.:0)

Joe

Yeah in sea keeping. Ol Swabbie thinks 20 footer in 30 knot winds is a
survival condition.

Holy backpedal. Doug says your boat wouldn't even be close! And you
suddenly try to pretend I called it survival conditions?
Face it, Joe. When it matters, your boat is ALWAYS slower. There's
virtually no real world situation where you're going to be faster than
a boat like mine or even Slocos!
And that's a fact!

RB
35s5
NY

Joe wrote:
Your Johnson 18 has hard Chines?

Nope. The hull sections are developed from the ellipse, max
lift, minimize sirface area & drag... a little unplanned
benefit is that the steering is very responsive & light with
no surprises.

Yeah in sea keeping. Ol Swabbie thinks 20 footer in 30 knot winds is a
survival condition.

That's because he doesn't know how to sail!

.... I was just talking about prime sailing conditions
and great surfing above hull speed. A single reef, board down to 11
feet, nice stable comfortable wheelhouse to drink coffee and snack of
sandwiches as the auto pilot handles the wheel.

And Doug you take you hand off that tiller to eat or drink your going
over in those conditions.

Depends on when... the boat is very well balanced and as
long as you're well between the ditches, you can take your
hand off and steer with mainsheet & body language. Now, if
you catch a wave wrong, dig in, aren't prepared, and the
helm snatches itself out of your hand (like say for example
you're trying to open a beer), then you have a problem. And
a tiller pilot ain't gonna help!

... In 24 hours we would pass you in 48hrs we
would be coming back to rescue you.:0)

No way, every hour would put at least 5 miles or more
between us.... however, depending on the circumstances,
after a few hours I would probably want to pull alongside &
offer to trade for a little while, take a break.

Hey when are you going to get that Swift Solo? I'm thinking
about it, but am also seriously considering bigger boats.

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

Bull**** Swabbie. I can still make way when your day sailor is down and
out. No Doubt. And thats without starting the 110 HP main engine, with
3 AC running full power, cooking on a 4 burner propane stove fresh fish
out of the10CF freezer.

Therefore... I will arrive faster and make a better SOG than you in
winds over 20kt's and seas 3ft+.
It's a fact.

I admit in 7 kts winds with a slight chop on the lake your 35s5 will
outpreform RedCloud.

Joe

I've decided to hold off on the solo. Im getting an itch to take off
and cruise a few years and do not need more stuff to get rid off.
Allready have to much STUFF. But then again my sweetheart has a Texas
auctioneering licences and we could get rid off it all in one day. Just
finishing up restoring my 1961 Econoline PU truck, all I have to do now
it paint, it's all primed and ready to go. I still have the La Brisa to
sail the lake and we will tow as a lifeboat dink. It's to big to davit,
may sell it and get a 11 ft Boston Whaler or Carolina Skiff. Our
friends now in Rio Dulche are having a blast, and it would be nice to
meet them there next hurricane season then hit the islands afterwards.

Joe

"Capt. Rob" wrote in message

According to the Beneteau group, owners have made 14 knots on 35s5's

Yeah.... on a trailer down the highway!

Bwahahahahahahaahahaaaaaa....

CM

"Joe" wrote in message

In 30 kt winds and 20 ft seas RedCloud will out preform any boat here.

Pah!..... Overproof dosen't even take green water in 46kt winds and 20
foot seas. In those conditions we break out the cockpit table and have a
game of Blackjack-4-Drinks.

CM

"Capt. Rob" wrote in message

Actually, Joe, you're wrong about that. Even Sloco's Depress 30 would
outsail you in those conditions, though he'd work hard. In survival
conditions she'd be a more comfortable boat.

Try and be a little more blatant with your trolls... Will Ya!?

If they bite on this... I give up! :-)

CM

"Joe" wrote
In 30 kt winds and 20 ft seas RedCloud will out preform any boat here.

Capt.Mooron wrote:
Pah!..... Overproof dosen't even take green water in 46kt winds and 20
foot seas. In those conditions we break out the cockpit table and have a
game of Blackjack-4-Drinks.

What, no playing quarters for single malt shots?

Clearly, you and Joe should have a sail-off... we can all
come along and be the judges... the test waters will be Cape
Hattaras in a moderate nor'easter (winds to greater than 30
but less than 60 knots)...

DSK