Doug's Sailboat
 

Doug now claims he bought a sailboat in Florida and it's much nicer and
more expensive than our 35s5. Hey, if that's true, GREAT! It would be
awesome if Doug bought himself what he wanted instead of that
powerboat.
So? Let's hear all about her, Doug. Did you get a cruiser or racer?
Little of both as we did?


RB
35s5...a LOT of both!
NY

Doug's Sailboat
 

Capt. Rob wrote:
Doug now claims he bought a boat in Florida and it's much nicer and
more expensive than our 35s5.

The truth is out there. In some cases, WAY out there.

DSK

Doug's Sailboat
 

The truth is out there. In some cases, WAY out there.


In any case, it's great news and I'm happy for you!

RB
35s5
NY

Doug's Sailboat
 

Did you get a cruiser or racer?
Little of both as we did?


RB
35s5...a LOT of both!
NY


A LITTLE OF BOTH is right.

Can't find a place to stow a 6 pack of beer while cruising, in other
words a cruiser without any room for needed supplies to cruise, And a
racer with a GET THIS has a MAX 7.3 knot hull speed
.......................Bwahahahahahahahahahah that aint racing thats
SLOW.

Joe

Doug's Sailboat
 

Can't find a place to stow a 6 pack of beer while cruising, in other
words a cruiser without any room for needed supplies to cruise, And a
racer with a GET THIS has a MAX 7.3 knot hull speed


According to the Beneteau group, owners have made 14 knots on 35s5's
and the newer 36.7 has gone even faster. Your boat is incapable of
surfing in such conditions and would rarely exceed hull speed as the
35s5 can do with ease. I like your boat, Joe. She's a nice home, sure
and steady. But performance is not what she's about.

http://www.bostonsailingcenter.com/F...t/Ben35S5.jpg/

RB
35s5
NY

Doug's Sailboat
 

Capt. Rob wrote:
According to the Beneteau group, owners have made 14 knots on 35s5's

That seems possible but it's not going to happen in any
conditions *you* will ever sail in.

and the newer 36.7 has gone even faster.

Which is relevent how, exactly?
It's a totlly different boat with a totally different
design, bigger & more powerful and about 3X the cost of the
boat you claim to have bought.


.... (link snipped)


Yo pinhead, if you're going to post a link inder the subject
heading "Doug's Sailboat" then you should include a link to
my sailboat. Here, I'll do it for you

http://www.johnson18.org/

DSK

Doug's Sailboat
 

That seems possible but it's not going to happen in any
conditions *you* will ever sail in.


How is that? On several occasions we had the C&C 32 over 10 knots on a
reach in 25-35 knots or air coming off of small swells. Wasn't hard at
all and the 35s5 will go faster.

and the newer 36.7 has gone even faster.
Which is relevent how, exactly?

Seriously? Okay, well I'm trying to explain to Joe that his metal
motorsailor is not likely to even match the ultimate speeds that racer
cruisers are able to routinely achieve. This past summer I sailed a J35
and we blasted beyond 11 and 12 knots on numerous occasions. It aint
gonna happen on Joe's boat often, if ever.
Do you agree?

RB
35s5
NY

Doug's Sailboat
 

http://www.johnson18.org/


That's the sailboat you bought in Florida that costs more than mine?
Doug, you were ripped off!


RB
35s5
NY

Doug's Sailboat
 

Swabbie said:

Joe. She's a nice home, sure
and steady. But performance is not what she's about.

That depends on how you define preformance.

In 30 kt winds and 20 ft seas RedCloud will out preform any boat here.

Joe

Doug's Sailboat
 

In 30 kt winds and 20 ft seas RedCloud will out preform any boat here.



Actually, Joe, you're wrong about that. Even Sloco's Depress 30 would
outsail you in those conditions, though he'd work hard. In survival
conditions she'd be a more comfortable boat.

RB
35s5
NY

Doug's Sailboat
 

Swabbie said:
Joe. She's a nice home, sure
and steady. But performance is not what she's about.

Joe wrote:
That depends on how you define preformance.

In 30 kt winds and 20 ft seas RedCloud will out preform any boat here.


In speed? Not even close.
In sea-keeping? probably, although hard chine hulls tend to
be a bit more noisy & bouncy than others in the same
displacement category.

The Johnson 18 has been clocked at over 20 knots and outruns
the waves (ie faster than any boat can go by surfing), but
after a few hours you start looking for a more comfy place
to relax, maybe have a sandwich. Some of us have talked
about doing longer races but I really don't want to stay in
a wetsuit for 24+ hours even if it did get me in the record
books.

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

Doug's Sailboat
 

Your Johnson 18 has hard Chines?

Yeah in sea keeping. Ol Swabbie thinks 20 footer in 30 knot winds is a
survival condition. I was just talking about prime sailing conditions
and great surfing above hull speed. A single reef, board down to 11
feet, nice stable comfortable wheelhouse to drink coffee and snack of
sandwiches as the auto pilot handles the wheel.

And Doug you take you hand off that tiller to eat or drink your going
over in those conditions. In 24 hours we would pass you in 48hrs we
would be coming back to rescue you.:0)

Joe

Doug's Sailboat
 

Yeah in sea keeping. Ol Swabbie thinks 20 footer in 30 knot winds is a
survival condition.


Holy backpedal. Doug says your boat wouldn't even be close! And you
suddenly try to pretend I called it survival conditions?
Face it, Joe. When it matters, your boat is ALWAYS slower. There's
virtually no real world situation where you're going to be faster than
a boat like mine or even Slocos!
And that's a fact!

RB
35s5
NY

Doug's Sailboat
 

Joe wrote:
Your Johnson 18 has hard Chines?


Nope. The hull sections are developed from the ellipse, max
lift, minimize sirface area & drag... a little unplanned
benefit is that the steering is very responsive & light with
no surprises.

Yeah in sea keeping. Ol Swabbie thinks 20 footer in 30 knot winds is a
survival condition.

That's because he doesn't know how to sail!

.... I was just talking about prime sailing conditions
and great surfing above hull speed. A single reef, board down to 11
feet, nice stable comfortable wheelhouse to drink coffee and snack of
sandwiches as the auto pilot handles the wheel.

And Doug you take you hand off that tiller to eat or drink your going
over in those conditions.

Depends on when... the boat is very well balanced and as
long as you're well between the ditches, you can take your
hand off and steer with mainsheet & body language. Now, if
you catch a wave wrong, dig in, aren't prepared, and the
helm snatches itself out of your hand (like say for example
you're trying to open a beer), then you have a problem. And
a tiller pilot ain't gonna help!

... In 24 hours we would pass you in 48hrs we
would be coming back to rescue you.:0)


No way, every hour would put at least 5 miles or more
between us.... however, depending on the circumstances,
after a few hours I would probably want to pull alongside &
offer to trade for a little while, take a break.

Hey when are you going to get that Swift Solo? I'm thinking
about it, but am also seriously considering bigger boats.

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

Doug's Sailboat
 

Bull**** Swabbie. I can still make way when your day sailor is down and
out. No Doubt. And thats without starting the 110 HP main engine, with
3 AC running full power, cooking on a 4 burner propane stove fresh fish
out of the10CF freezer.

Therefore... I will arrive faster and make a better SOG than you in
winds over 20kt's and seas 3ft+.
It's a fact.

I admit in 7 kts winds with a slight chop on the lake your 35s5 will
outpreform RedCloud.

Joe

Doug's Sailboat
 

I've decided to hold off on the solo. Im getting an itch to take off
and cruise a few years and do not need more stuff to get rid off.
Allready have to much STUFF. But then again my sweetheart has a Texas
auctioneering licences and we could get rid off it all in one day. Just
finishing up restoring my 1961 Econoline PU truck, all I have to do now
it paint, it's all primed and ready to go. I still have the La Brisa to
sail the lake and we will tow as a lifeboat dink. It's to big to davit,
may sell it and get a 11 ft Boston Whaler or Carolina Skiff. Our
friends now in Rio Dulche are having a blast, and it would be nice to
meet them there next hurricane season then hit the islands afterwards.

Joe

Doug's Sailboat
 

"Capt. Rob" wrote in message

According to the Beneteau group, owners have made 14 knots on 35s5's

Yeah.... on a trailer down the highway!

Bwahahahahahahaahahaaaaaa....

CM

Doug's Sailboat
 

"Joe" wrote in message

In 30 kt winds and 20 ft seas RedCloud will out preform any boat here.

Pah!..... Overproof dosen't even take green water in 46kt winds and 20
foot seas. In those conditions we break out the cockpit table and have a
game of Blackjack-4-Drinks.

CM

Doug's Sailboat
 

"Capt. Rob" wrote in message

Actually, Joe, you're wrong about that. Even Sloco's Depress 30 would
outsail you in those conditions, though he'd work hard. In survival
conditions she'd be a more comfortable boat.

Try and be a little more blatant with your trolls... Will Ya!?

If they bite on this... I give up! :-)

CM

Doug's Sailboat
 

"Joe" wrote
In 30 kt winds and 20 ft seas RedCloud will out preform any boat here.


Capt.Mooron wrote:
Pah!..... Overproof dosen't even take green water in 46kt winds and 20
foot seas. In those conditions we break out the cockpit table and have a
game of Blackjack-4-Drinks.


What, no playing quarters for single malt shots?

Clearly, you and Joe should have a sail-off... we can all
come along and be the judges... the test waters will be Cape
Hattaras in a moderate nor'easter (winds to greater than 30
but less than 60 knots)...

DSK

Doug's Sailboat
 

"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
ups.com...
Doug now claims he bought a sailboat in Florida and it's much
nicer and
more expensive than our 35s5.

he did? I didn't see a claim like that.

SV

Doug's Sailboat
 

"Capt.Mooron" wrote in message
news:cAKif.131664$y_1.59392@edtnps89...

"Joe" wrote in message

In 30 kt winds and 20 ft seas RedCloud will out preform any
boat here.

Pah!..... Overproof dosen't even take green water in 46kt
winds and 20
foot seas.

Really? Just how high is your cradle?

Scotty

Doug's Sailboat
 

more expensive than our 35s5.


he did? I didn't see a claim like that.

He did in fact make that claim, Scotty....more than once in fact. I
can't imagine what the cost of his trawler has to do with the cost of
our sailboats. My wife's diamond rings cost more than Doug's trawler.
Does that comparison make any sense?

RB
35s5
NY

Doug's Sailboat
 

"Scotty" wrote in message
...

"Capt.Mooron" wrote in message
news:cAKif.131664$y_1.59392@edtnps89...

"Joe" wrote in message

In 30 kt winds and 20 ft seas RedCloud will out preform any
boat here.

Pah!..... Overproof dosen't even take green water in 46kt
winds and 20
foot seas.

Really? Just how high is your cradle?

.......only six feet but I have high coamings!

CM

Doug's Sailboat
 

"Commode Joe " wrote in message
...
On Mon, 28 Nov 2005 18:29:19 -0500, "Scotty"
wrote:


"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
oups.com...
Doug now claims he bought a sailboat in Florida and it's
much
nicer and
more expensive than our 35s5.

he did? I didn't see a claim like that.

SV


You miss a lot.


Commode Joe


Did *you* read Dougs' claim to buying a sailboat in Fl.?

SV

Doug's Sailboat
 

"Commodore Joe Redcloud" wrote in message several
Matisse's in my
principle residence and any single one of them cost considerably more than
his
crap trawler.

Such flagrant copyright infringement, you're stealing Robert's material!!
....if Bob ever found out and clenched his butt..... your head would pop
like a ripe zit!

CM

Doug's Sailboat
 

Did *you* read Dougs' claim to buying a sailboat in Fl.?


I'm refering to the other times Doug has seen fit to let us all know
that his Trawler was expensive. If you don't remember, just ask him. I
bet it was costly. So was my SUV and so was my original Day the Earth
Stood Still poster. I'm just not sure how the cost of his trawler
relates to our sailboats. Then again Loco said I couldn't afford his
Lincoln LS, even though we paid more for our SUV. It must be the new
math. These guys are all worried about what stuff costs. You paid
little for your boat and mine cost me nothing because my wife paid for
it. Does that mean we'll have less fun due to their "cost" to us? I
guess Loco and Doug must think so.

RB
35s5
NY

Doug's Sailboat
 

"Joe" wrote
a racer with a GET THIS has a MAX 7.3 knot hull speed
......................Bwahahahahahahahahahah that aint racing thats
SLOW.

I dunno - 7 knots carrying a 2-inch layer of "fecal material" from sailing
LIS sounds fast to me.

Doug's Sailboat
 

"Capt. Rob" wrote
According to the Beneteau group, owners have made 14 knots on 35s5's....

In a cesspool? With layer upon layer of fecal "mud" sticking to the hull?

Doug's Sailboat
 

"DSK" wrote

http://www.johnson18.org/

Nice boat but utterly impractical for LIS where one risks cancer and worse
every time a drop of foam splashes one. For LIS one needs a frog boat with
plenty of freeboard designed for french waters and thus suitable for
cesspools around the world.

Doug's Sailboat
 

http://www.johnson18.org/


Vito wrote:
Nice boat

Thanks

.... but utterly impractical

Well, sure. What's the "practical" use of any sailboat? This
one is good for only one thing... having fun while sailing.
I mean, it doesn't even have a stern platform fer gosh sake!


... for LIS where one risks cancer and worse
every time a drop of foam splashes one.

Maybe that explains why Boobsie always goes "sailing" with a
Depends on his head?

DSK

Doug's Sailboat
 

Maybe that explains why Boobsie always goes "sailing" with a
Depends on his head?


I take it back, Jeff. Based on Doug's "Joke" above, you're the Groucho
of the group, the Jack Benny of ASA and the Larry Fine of online
Good lord.


RB
35s5
NY

Doug's Sailboat
 

Then who were you reffering to having hard chines when you said "
hard chine hulls tend to be a bit more noisy & bouncy than others in
the same
displacement category."
?

Joe

Doug's Sailboat
 

Joe wrote:
Then who were you reffering to having hard chines when you said "
hard chine hulls tend to be a bit more noisy & bouncy than others in
the same
displacement category."
?

Isn't Red Cloud a hard chne hull?

DSK

Doug's Sailboat
 

No. Its a radius hull..... steel rolled and shaped to prefection.

Joe

Doug's Sailboat
 

Damnit Vito, I ruined another keyboard...

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Vito" wrote in message
...
"Joe" wrote
a racer with a GET THIS has a MAX 7.3 knot hull speed
......................Bwahahahahahahahahahah that aint racing thats
SLOW.

I dunno - 7 knots carrying a 2-inch layer of "fecal material" from
sailing
LIS sounds fast to me.

Doug's Sailboat
 

The water looks the same as SF Bay or any other enclosed
body of water.

"Capt. JG" wrote
I dunno - 7 knots carrying a 2-inch layer of "fecal material" from
sailing
LIS sounds fast to me.

Doug's Sailboat
 

You miss a lot.

Scotty wrote:
Did *you* read Dougs' claim to buying a sailboat in Fl.?


The funny thing is, I bought two sailboats in Florida, both
of which were bigger & nicer than the one Bubbles claims
(although only one of them was more expensive), but it was a
long time ago.

Neither were delivered by truck, either, since I lived in
Florida at the time (although they were several days travel
from my home port).

But of course, the Boobsie twins want to get all upset
because I own a trawler, which was also bought in Florida
and was delivered by my wife & myself, on the water the
whole way, to NC... a farther distance than Bubbles &
Bitty-Bill-Joe have sailed in all their lives.

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

Doug's Sailboat
 

Let me tell you what I would do if I bought a boat in Florida
this time of year. I'd keep the boat in the Caribbean this winter
and sail it back on May 1st. Wouldn't you Doug?

I'm sure any real sailor who lived between Annaplis and Halifax would
do the same.

"DSK" wrote
You miss a lot.

Scotty wrote:
Did *you* read Dougs' claim to buying a sailboat in Fl.?


The funny thing is, I bought two sailboats in Florida, both of which were
bigger & nicer than the one Bubbles claims (although only one of them was
more expensive), but it was a long time ago.

Neither were delivered by truck, either, since I lived in Florida at the
time (although they were several days travel from my home port).

But of course, the Boobsie twins want to get all upset because I own a
trawler, which was also bought in Florida and was delivered by my wife &
myself, on the water the whole way, to NC... a farther distance than
Bubbles & Bitty-Bill-Joe have sailed in all their lives.

Fresh Breezes- Doug King