"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
ups.com...
've got a boat that you would suck Commode Joe's liposuction residue to

own....


Why would I own a boat like a Nordic 30?

You wouldn't. Only someone who actually *sails* would own a Nordic 30.

It's slower in light air and
heavy, does not go upwind as well, has a smaller interior and cockpit,
cheap steering system, no swim platform

OH MY GOD! NO SWIM PLATFORM??!!

and it's only charm lies in
it's dated attributes.

Mooron prefers to think of it as aging gracefully.

It's a poor boat for sailing fast, for racing,
entertaining or just feeling the thrill of a modern hull capable of
easily exceeding it's limits...

Yeah, what a drag to own a boat that will actually stay in one piece in
****ty conditions.

as the 35s5 does easily. It won boat of
the year when released

You bet. And Chantiers Beneteau paid dearly in advertising for that.

and still wins races.
By the way, we don't have the standard interior. We have the teak
option, most of which is NOT veneer.

Correct. It's vinyl over MDF.

The interior blows yours away just
as easily as it outsails you.

I especially love the way Bendy Toys' cabin soles creak and groan when you
walk on 'em.

Sorry...you're PHRF rating is very generous

. . . meaning there's no way in hell you could ever beat Mooron on
corrected time with that underrated slug of yours.

and you couldn't have
sailed faster than my Pearson 30 or C&C 32 in your wildest dreams.

Except in winds over 15kts. Oh hey, I'm sorry--I forgot--you never untie
the boat in 15kts. or better.

The
35s5 is far, far faster and much more fun to sail.

Uh huh. Especially if you enjoy puking your guts overboard while your
bleach bottle boat unglues itself around you.

Your boat is a
wonderful little cruiser for elderly types, but useless for a family
seeking true sailing fun.

Funny how elderly types like Bubbles love to call others elderly.

You can't even post a SINGLE pic of your boat
showing a nice interior...because it's tired below.

Five years as Bubbles' dockside condo and that Bendy won't be much to look
at below either. Toddlers wreak havoc on interior vinyl.

You can't find a
single stat on line or anywhere to show us that the Nordic 30 is in any
way capable of being fast.

Powerboaters just love it when sailors talk about "fast."

It's a slow boat to China, for old sailors
who are legends in their own minds.

It's a boat that can actually get to China, unlike . . .


RB
35s5....the boat for people who can't afford a real sailboat, like a
Nordic 30.
NY

Why would I own a boat like a Nordic 30?

You wouldn't. Only someone who actually *sails* would own a Nordic 30.


Nonsense. Slow boats like the Nordic are not popular in our light air
areas. It's also a dead duck to sail without a fresh breeze. Many
prefer a boat with a better turn of speed, rather than a slow moving
full keeler.

You bet. And Chantiers Beneteau paid dearly in advertising for
that.


More nonsense. The Paris boat show is a real show and not a joke like
the American shows. Other winners had been Swan, Baltic, Shannon. Post
proof that builders paid for their wins or go sit in a corner.


Correct. It's vinyl over MDF.

Please prove that you have a clue. Show us a link that the 35s5 French
built imported interior is vinyl. The teak option is veneer over
honeycomb and some solid peices used in the galley and nav cabinets.
Later Beneteau's, with interiors built in the USA were as crappy as any
car built here...sadly.

Uh huh. Especially if you enjoy puking your guts overboard while
your
bleach bottle boat unglues itself around you.

And yet plenty of Beneteau's make ocean crossings along with far lesser
vessels. Funny how everyone here likes to chant that long voyages can
be made by any boat with a skilled sailor at the helm. Desperate to
join the bandwagon, the Beneteau will suddenly fly apart and do so on a
ocean crossing we didn't buy her for anyway!

Funny how elderly types like Bubbles love to call others elderly.

Hmmm. I just turned 43. I run my laps 4 days on and lift 3. Most of the
people here are older than me, much older and ALL are in worse shape.

Powerboaters just love it when sailors talk about "fast."

They do? You must know a specific group of powerboaters who worry about
sailors sailing fast.

It's a boat that can actually get to China, unlike . . .

Just in case someone who isn't educated is reading Maxipad's silly
comments, even a Catalina 25 can sail to China and do so without a
problem. People who suggest that the boat is the ultimate measure of
ability for a voyage are reading too many Island Packet ads. A Nordic
30 MIGHT be more comfortable due to her motion in bad seas, but in
every other area the 35s5 would do better. Even Doug posted as much.

And the door slams on Maxipad's fingers!

RB
35s5...easily the best boat here!
NY

"Capt. Rob" wrote in message


Why would I own a boat like a Nordic 30?

You wouldn't. Only someone who actually *sails* would own a Nordic 30.


Nonsense. Slow boats like the Nordic are not popular in our light air
areas. It's also a dead duck to sail without a fresh breeze. Many
prefer a boat with a better turn of speed, rather than a slow moving
full keeler.

Jeeze, Bubbles, do I have to put a smiley face behind every response I make
to your insipid posts? :-)


You bet. And Chantiers Beneteau paid dearly in advertising for
that.


More nonsense. The Paris boat show is a real show and not a joke like
the American shows. Other winners had been Swan, Baltic, Shannon. Post
proof that builders paid for their wins or go sit in a corner.

WHAT??? Money Magazine is edited by idiots, IYO, but the Paris boat show is
organized only by the most brilliant sages in their respective fields?
Haven't you found it interesting that when Cruising World or Sail Magazine
pick a BOTY, that company does *not* advertise in that issue, but runs
extensive ads in each issue afterward? Or that no boat is ever picked two
years in a row? Is the implication that some other boat must eclipse last
years winner every single time? Oh wait, I'm sure the boating press is
edited by little more than dullards who know far less than yourself about
boats and boating, right?

Correct. It's vinyl over MDF.

Please prove that you have a clue. Show us a link that the 35s5 French
built imported interior is vinyl. The teak option is veneer over
honeycomb and some solid peices used in the galley and nav cabinets.
Later Beneteau's, with interiors built in the USA were as crappy as any
car built here...sadly.

Hold a cigarette against that "teak" and see how it melts. (You'd better
get that hook out of your mouth soon, Bubbles, or that wound is gonna
fester.)

Uh huh. Especially if you enjoy puking your guts overboard while
your
bleach bottle boat unglues itself around you.

And yet plenty of Beneteau's make ocean crossings along with far lesser
vessels. Funny how everyone here likes to chant that long voyages can
be made by any boat with a skilled sailor at the helm. Desperate to
join the bandwagon, the Beneteau will suddenly fly apart and do so on a
ocean crossing we didn't buy her for anyway!

The thought of you doing offshore work is absolutely ludicrous, Bubbles.

Funny how elderly types like Bubbles love to call others elderly.

Hmmm. I just turned 43. I run my laps 4 days on and lift 3. Most of the
people here are older than me, much older and ALL are in worse shape.

Care to join me in a half-marathon? I'm old enough to be your . . . older
brother. (Here it comes, folks--Bubbles' claim that he runs the NY Marathon
annually, and wins. Yeah, that's it, that's the ticket.)

Powerboaters just love it when sailors talk about "fast."

They do? You must know a specific group of powerboaters who worry about
sailors sailing fast.

Worry? Hardly. They laugh so hard they spurt beer out their noses. Hell,
Bubbles, you should know--you now own a boat built by a company far more
interested in making fast trawlers and express cruisers than sailboats these
days. Maybe they'll give you a great deal on a trade. Then you can really
go fast.


It's a boat that can actually get to China, unlike . . .

Just in case someone who isn't educated is reading Maxipad's silly
comments, even a Catalina 25 can sail to China and do so without a
problem.

Bwahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!! YOU can take a Catalina 25 to
China if you so desire, Bubbles. Leave me one of your myriad high-end
digital cameras in your will, would ya please.

People who suggest that the boat is the ultimate measure of
ability for a voyage are reading too many Island Packet ads. A Nordic
30 MIGHT be more comfortable due to her motion in bad seas, but in
every other area the 35s5 would do better. Even Doug posted as much.

Okay, Bubbles, put your hackles down and remove that hook from your mouth
before your gills dry up. I've told you before I like Beneteaus, and yes,
they are capable of making offshore passages. Would I choose one for a
transoceanic passage? No. Would I choose a Nordic 30? No. Would I take
my current boat? Doubtful. Would I buy a Beneteau as a coastal cruiser?
Maybe, but probably not because my boat fits my needs perfectly.

My comfort and well-being are too important for the right to claim that I
took a coastal boat across an ocean. There is a book by a man who, with his
wife, did some passage work in the Pacific with a Pacific Seacraft Flicka.
They both got so pounded and beat up that she refused to sail back to the
mainland with him. He did it alone and nearly killed himself. Was his boat
ever in jeopardy? Probably not. But it was anything but a positive
experience. I believe they sold the boat and became land lubbers. In a
technical sense nearly any old POS boat can cross oceans; it's the crew and
skipper that suffer the hardships and pain in doing so. I'd choose an Amel
Super Maru or perhaps one of Steve and Linda Dashew's boats for offshore
work. And while I wait comfortably at anchor in, say, French Polynesia
waiting for you and your beleagured family to arrive a week or so later,
beaten and bruised and disheartened in your Beneteau 35s5, I'll make some
inquiries with the local brokers as to how much and how quickly you can sell
your wonderful, fast, sleek yacht with the great interior and the swim
platform, and get three airline tickets home.

Or, you can daysail on Long Island Sound for the rest of your life. Your
choice.


And the door slams on Maxipad's fingers!

My fingers are fine, but your mouth is gonna hurt like hell.

Max

Bwahahahahah Ive seen the interior pictures..IT ALL cheap VENEER. Trees
do not grow in mirror patterns.

Joe
No Veneer on RedCloud
a 9 knot boat faster than any cheap production Bentatoe

Bwahahahahah Ive seen the interior pictures..IT ALL cheap VENEER. Trees

do not grow in mirror patterns.

Only the bulkheads are, and they are over honeycomb to save weight.
Sorry, Joe...your boat is still slower in spite of being much larger.
You could not outrun my buddie's Tayana 48, which in turn had a tough
time keeping up with my C&C 32. Your boat...if it was ever rated would
land in 140-150 area PHRF.
Poor Joe.

RB
35s5...the best performing boat here!
NY

Capt. Rob wrote:

... Your boat...if it was ever rated would
land in 140-150 area PHRF.

In other words, it rates a bit better than your bendy? Remember, your
rating starts at 132, and then is effectively 156 in light air.


Poor Joe.

RB
35s5...the best performing boat in my mind only!
NY