The Daring Sailor
 

As many folks here with little real world sailing experience keep
getting things wrong, here's another fact for you...
Sailing offshore or in less protected waters is the safest lowest risk
sailing you can do. Period. Almost all boating accidents happen in
crowded areas and the worst of them are within easy swimming distance
of land. If even a short squall hits, you're also at a far higher risk
when close to land.
Sailing deeper into the sound there are far fewer bad pilots to contend
with and more room to navigate than putzing about on a daysail near our
home. Continue to sail in your own crowded waters and the chance of
some nut smashing into you or a squall playing pinball with you only
increases.
After learning this, we generally sailed out beyond Execution Rock,
both for the better air and room to day or night sail with lower risks.
The very idea that Jeff, Doug and others continue to talk about sailing
distances as a measure of bravado, shows how unaware and unsafe they
really are. Sailing offshore is ULTRA safe by comparison. Offshore
sailing has just one problematic requirement that keeps most from
enjoying it.....time.


Capt Robert B
35s5....a near coastal sailboat faster than yours!
NY

The Daring Sailor
 

Begs the question... if you are going to sail 'offshore"..... why would you
need a light air boat?

CM

"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
ps.com...
As many folks here with little real world sailing experience keep
getting things wrong, here's another fact for you...
Sailing offshore or in less protected waters is the safest lowest risk
sailing you can do. Period. Almost all boating accidents happen in
crowded areas and the worst of them are within easy swimming distance
of land. If even a short squall hits, you're also at a far higher risk
when close to land.
Sailing deeper into the sound there are far fewer bad pilots to contend
with and more room to navigate than putzing about on a daysail near our
home. Continue to sail in your own crowded waters and the chance of
some nut smashing into you or a squall playing pinball with you only
increases.
After learning this, we generally sailed out beyond Execution Rock,
both for the better air and room to day or night sail with lower risks.
The very idea that Jeff, Doug and others continue to talk about sailing
distances as a measure of bravado, shows how unaware and unsafe they
really are. Sailing offshore is ULTRA safe by comparison. Offshore
sailing has just one problematic requirement that keeps most from
enjoying it.....time.


Capt Robert B
35s5....a near coastal sailboat faster than yours!
NY

The Daring Sailor
 

Begs the question... if you are going to sail 'offshore"..... why would
you
need a light air boat?

I'm not sailing offshore. We bought the 35s5 because we will be sailing
mostly on the LIS for short sails with a 2 year old. Light air is what
we have 80% of the time.
You choose a design for the prevailing conditions, Mooron. Still no
excuse for your slow boat as there were better choices. But we made an
ideal pick.

RB
35s5...a boat that is great for light air!
NY

The Daring Sailor
 

If Lance Armstrong could back pedal like that, he could win the
TdF backwards!

SBV




"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
ps.com...
As many folks here with little real world sailing experience
keep
getting things wrong, here's another fact for you...
Sailing offshore or in less protected waters is the safest
lowest risk
sailing you can do. Period. Almost all boating accidents
happen in
crowded areas and the worst of them are within easy swimming
distance
of land. If even a short squall hits, you're also at a far
higher risk
when close to land.
Sailing deeper into the sound there are far fewer bad pilots
to contend
with and more room to navigate than putzing about on a
daysail near our
home. Continue to sail in your own crowded waters and the
chance of
some nut smashing into you or a squall playing pinball with
you only
increases.
After learning this, we generally sailed out beyond Execution
Rock,
both for the better air and room to day or night sail with
lower risks.
The very idea that Jeff, Doug and others continue to talk
about sailing
distances as a measure of bravado, shows how unaware and
unsafe they
really are. Sailing offshore is ULTRA safe by comparison.
Offshore
sailing has just one problematic requirement that keeps most
from
enjoying it.....time.


Capt Robert B
35s5....a near coastal sailboat faster than yours!
NY

The Daring Sailor
 

Wow, you're wayyyy off base here booby, you're losing your grip ...
are you seriously claiming you're a braver sailor because you stay
close to your slip where all sorts of bozos keep hitting things?


Capt. Rob wrote:
As many folks here with little real world sailing experience keep
getting things wrong, here's another fact for you...
Sailing offshore or in less protected waters is the safest lowest risk
sailing you can do. Period. Almost all boating accidents happen in
crowded areas and the worst of them are within easy swimming distance
of land. If even a short squall hits, you're also at a far higher risk
when close to land.

Certainly bumping into other boats (a major cause of small boat
accidents) happens where the are more boats. And since most accidents
happen to small boats, they're most like to happen in areas where
there are a lot of small boats. Of course, a large number of
drownings are related to canoes, kayaks, etc. often when no one is
around to rescue.

Sailing deeper into the sound there are far fewer bad pilots to contend
with and more room to navigate than putzing about on a daysail near our
home.

Whoa! Deep into the sound? Isn't that where all the scary monsters
are??? Isn't this where Jax had to call the CG because the engine on
his sailboat was running a little hot? Just how "deep into the sound"
are we talking here - 5 miles? 6?

Continue to sail in your own crowded waters and the chance of
some nut smashing into you or a squall playing pinball with you only
increases.

Gee, do you think most of the posters here stay in crowded inner
harbors all the time?

After learning this, we generally sailed out beyond Execution Rock,
both for the better air and room to day or night sail with lower risks.

Wow, you travel a whole 3 miles from your slip? I take back
everything I said, you are a true bluewater sailor! (At this point I
check the headers because it sounds more like a Gilly parody than a
rational discussion.)

The very idea that Jeff, Doug and others continue to talk about sailing
distances as a measure of bravado, shows how unaware and unsafe they
really are.

Total nonsense. I don't think anyone actually likes coastal cruising
because its "more dangerous" than harbor daysailing. I certainly
don't measure the quality of a trip by how much danger we faced.
Cruising has to do with competence and self-reliance in many aspects
of sailing, in finding enjoyment without air conditioning, TV's, and 3
zone hifi's.

I'll leave it for someone more eloquent than I to extol the pleasures
of cruising.


Sailing offshore is ULTRA safe by comparison.

No, I'll bet statistically speaking offshore sailing is more dangerous
when measured trip for trip. Mile for mile it may be safer. I've
heard it claimed the 10% of Pacific Island cruisers end up being lost
on rocks, a record only exceeded around City Island.

Offshore
sailing has just one problematic requirement that keeps most from
enjoying it.....time.

True offshore sailing, that is, 200 miles or more offshore, is a
totally different endeavor from coastal cruising. Some people love
it, others don't, but it relates to coastal cruising like mountain
climbing relates to hiking. I sort of liked it, but mostly found it
boring, except when it wasn't. I much prefer doing 50 miles, hanging
out for a few days; do another 50, hangout. By then we might in in
Maine, where the next beautiful anchorage in only 5 miles away (but
through fog and pots). Do that for a month or so and you'll stop
equating sailing with A/C and TV.

Seriously, Bob, there's no reason why you can't do that. You'll have
a nurse on board and you can get med-evac'd from anywhere you're
likely to go. You're kid is still young enough that he doesn't need
friends or civilization on a daily basis (this will change in a few
years). And for all my ragging your bendy is probably up to it, if
you don't mind roughing it a bit.



Capt Robert B
35s5....an inland sailboat faster than some!
NY

P.S. "Near Coastal" means 10 miles out in the ocean - you do want to
go there in your bendy. Leave that to the real cruising boats like mine.

The Daring Sailor
 

Seriously, Bob, there's no reason why you can't do that. You'll have
a nurse on board and you can get med-evac'd from anywhere you're
likely to go. You're kid is still young enough that he doesn't need
friends or civilization on a daily basis (this will change in a few
years). And for all my ragging your bendy is probably up to it, if
you don't mind roughing it a bit.

Roughing it? How so? Our boat is more comfortable than yours and
doesn't need to motor in the commonly light airs here. It even has AC
and heat. A boat without AC is horrific in August.
You need to forget about trying to sell everyone on your cat. Most
sailors prefer boats like mine..one hull, traditional heeling and the
like. It's WHY we like to sail and a Cat is just another animal...like
a Trawler to us. I'm honestly glad you love the boat and that's all
that should matter, Jeff.
But seriously, and all BS asside....Suzanne just started her new career
and any long trips are pretty much out for next season. We may get a
shot to Block Island at the most, but that's all. By her second year,
Suzanne will get 5 weeks vacation and things will be different. I'll be
thrilled to day sail the 35s5 and spend some weekends aboard with my
son when she works. And I'll be tickled when can all set off of some
long weekends.

RB
35s5
NY

The Daring Sailor
 

"Capt. Rob" wrote in message

I'm not sailing offshore. We bought the 35s5 because we will be sailing
mostly on the LIS for short sails with a 2 year old. Light air is what
we have 80% of the time.

Exactly.... you bought a fast boat to sail in a protected harbour which sees
less rough conditions than most lakes.

You choose a design for the prevailing conditions, Mooron. Still no
excuse for your slow boat as there were better choices. But we made an
ideal pick.

I chose a design that met my requirements Bob.... racing and high speed,
turning on a dime, sitting at dock and backing up weren't a primary
consideration. My boat is very fast for a cruiser design. It sails well on
all points and favours downwind.... which is what it was designed to do.

Now when it comes to heavy air..... you'll be on your third reef [ you do
have 3 reefing points right?] before I consider changing the headsail.

Now bob... just a question.... on your C&C 35s5... do you reef the main
prior to the headsail or reef the headsail prior to the main. On full
keelers you always reef the main prior to reducing headsail


RB
35s5...a boat that is great for light air!
NY

CM
Nordica 30... a boat that looks good under sail.

The Daring Sailor
 

"Jeff" wrote in message
...

Wow, you travel a whole 3 miles from your slip? I take back
everything I said, you are a true bluewater sailor! (At this point I
check the headers because it sounds more like a Gilly parody than a
rational discussion.)


Jeff,

Are you actually working from the premise of a rational discussion? Think
hard for a few minutes.

The best parodies are the ones people make of themselves. Look at Liberace,
Boy George, Prince, Michael Jackson, James Carville, Jesse Jackson, Dolly
Parton, Al Sharpton, and the like. Now look at Bobsprit. See much
difference?

Hopefully I've pushed your reset button and get the watchdog power-on-reset
circuit checked. He's sucking you in. You can fight it!


Regards,

Gilligan

The Daring Sailor
 

"Capt. Rob" wrote in message ups.com...
| Begs the question... if you are going to sail 'offshore"..... why would
| you
| need a light air boat?
|
| I'm not sailing offshore. We bought the 35s5 because we will be sailing
| mostly on the LIS for short sails with a 2-year-old. Light air is what
| we have 80% of the time.



But, how old is your son?

CN

The Daring Sailor
 

Since when is the smell of sewage regarded as "light air"?

Gilligan

"Capt. Neal®" wrote in message
...

"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
ups.com...
| Begs the question... if you are going to sail 'offshore"..... why would
| you
| need a light air boat?
|
| I'm not sailing offshore. We bought the 35s5 because we will be sailing
| mostly on the LIS for short sails with a 2-year-old. Light air is what
| we have 80% of the time.



But, how old is your son?

CN

The Daring Sailor
 

Whoa! Deep into the sound? Isn't that where all the scary monsters
are??? Isn't this where Jax had to call the CG because the engine on
his sailboat was running a little hot? Just how "deep into the sound"
are we talking here - 5 miles? 6?


Exactly, Jeff. Heading out closer to Oyster Bay where the Sound starts
to open up is far safer than with all the drunks on a their Jetski's
and Bayliners. It's always protected waters, but you can still add to
the safety factor by getting away from the heavy traffic.

RB
35s5...the better boat
NY

The Daring Sailor
 

It's got to do with the tofu and alfalfa sprouts those New Yorkers
are so fond of . . .

CN


"Gilligan" wrote in message k.net...
| Since when is the smell of sewage regarded as "light air"?
|
| Gilligan
|
| "Capt. Neal®" wrote in message
| ...
|
| "Capt. Rob" wrote in message
| ups.com...
| | Begs the question... if you are going to sail 'offshore"..... why would
| | you
| | need a light air boat?
| |
| | I'm not sailing offshore. We bought the 35s5 because we will be sailing
| | mostly on the LIS for short sails with a 2-year-old. Light air is what
| | we have 80% of the time.
|
|
|
| But, how old is your son?
|
| CN
|
|

The Daring Sailor
 

Wow, you're wayyyy off base here booby, you're losing your grip ...
are you seriously claiming you're a braver sailor because you stay
close to your slip where all sorts of bozos keep hitting things?


Nope. I'm just brave all on my own.


RB
35s5...a brave sailboat!
NY

The Daring Sailor
 

My boat is very fast for a cruiser design.


No, it isn't. It's not even lower middle of the pack.


RB
35s5...a truly fast cruiser.
NY

The Daring Sailor
 

Now bob... just a question.... on your C&C 35s5... do you reef the main

prior to the headsail or reef the headsail prior to the main. On full
keelers you always reef the main prior to reducing headsail


Mooron, you do know that the 35s5 is a fractional rig, right? You do
know that I can sail FAST with just the main and still outpoint you,
right? You do know that a typical 110% is all you need when you have
this kind of light air ability, right? Since the main is much of the
drive (assuming I don't have the 150% mylar up) I'd reef the main. Of
course reefing the jib is fast via smooth RF. I'll simply reef before
you and still pass you on any point of sail...and have more fun to
boot!

Robert B
35s5...a boat that outsails a Nordic 30 in ALL conditions.

The Daring Sailor
 

Hopefully I've pushed your reset button and get the watchdog
power-on-reset
circuit checked. He's sucking you in. You can fight it!



Gilligan...my genious is mixing just enough real sounding stuff with
the absurd. Since most people have no imagination, it's almost always
going to work. Look at Scotty's recent post about me being a decent
fellow in person. Well, duh! But this is alt.sailing.asa where the
villains have more fun.
Darth Vader always had more fun than Luke...and his suit was air
conditioned just like my 35s5!

Robert B
35s5...The boat to be called....Jedi!!!!!!
NY

The Daring Sailor
 

Capt. Rob wrote:
Seriously, Bob, there's no reason why you can't do that. You'll have
a nurse on board and you can get med-evac'd from anywhere you're
likely to go. You're kid is still young enough that he doesn't need
friends or civilization on a daily basis (this will change in a few
years). And for all my ragging your bendy is probably up to it, if
you don't mind roughing it a bit.

Roughing it? How so? Our boat is more comfortable than yours and
doesn't need to motor in the commonly light airs here. It even has AC
and heat. A boat without AC is horrific in August.

BWAAHAHAHAHAHA!! A boat without A/C is horrific! I think that says
it all! And even more bizarre, he doesn't even have a genset, so it
can only be used at the slip with shorepower. In other words, the
very concept of cruising the boat is horrific to Bob! (And bragging
about having heat when it has to be plugged into shorepower is just
plain stupid!)

And claiming its more comfortable than mine is pretty clueless, when I
have two queen size bunks, both with double overhead hatches (plus
third small cabin also with overhead hatch); a large head AND a
standup shower; a galley with large counter space; a freezer larger
than his fridge; enough standing room in the cabins to close the door
while changing clothes ... The list goes on and on, but its lost on
someone who thinks sailing without A/C is horrific!

My decks space is big enough for family and guests to stretch out and
sun bath; my cockpit has room for a crowd. I carry a dinghy in davits
and a kayak on deck. But all Bob can do is stay in the slip and
huddle down below to enjoy the A/C and watch 3 TVs. Otherwise it
would be horrific!

You need to forget about trying to sell everyone on your cat. Most
sailors prefer boats like mine..one hull, traditional heeling and the
like.

There are lots of nice cruising monohulls. There are lots of
monohulls that actually have a hatch in the main stateroom. Or a
hatch in the head. Or a galley that counter space measured in feet,
not inches. Even my old 30 footer had these things. You keep talking
about your spiffy interior but there really isn't a single aspect of
it that's true comfort, it has just a few touches that look nice in a
brochure.

Ventilation is measured in hatches, not A/C. Does your head have a
single hatch? Counters are measured in actually space, not granite.
Does your galley have even a few inches of counter space? How do
you call a boat comfortable if you can't sleep, eat or poop in it?

The same qualities that make your boat so "lively" to sail will make
it roll at anchor, while mine is rock steady. Of course, you'll never
sleep at anchor because that would be "horrific"!

It's WHY we like to sail and a Cat is just another animal...like
a Trawler to us. I'm honestly glad you love the boat and that's all
that should matter, Jeff.

yup.


But seriously, and all BS asside....Suzanne just started her new career
and any long trips are pretty much out for next season. We may get a
shot to Block Island at the most, but that's all.

Bock Island is only 100 nm from your slip, it should be easy. But
make sure you have a reservation for a slip, because otherwise it
would be horrific!

By her second year,
Suzanne will get 5 weeks vacation and things will be different. I'll be
thrilled to day sail the 35s5 and spend some weekends aboard with my
son when she works.

Sorry Bob, you won't be able to sail alone with your kid for a few
years unless you have someone else aboard. Really, its just doesn't
work any other way. In fact, you'll be single handing while Suzy
watches the kid. But you'll figure this out soon enough.

I still have a vivid memory of going into the first lock on the Erie
Canal and hearing our then 3 1/2 year old yelling "I have to go pottie!"


And I'll be tickled when can all set off of some
long weekends.

Just make sure you have reservations for the slip at Capri.

The Daring Sailor
 

"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
oups.com...
Hopefully I've pushed your reset button and get the watchdog
power-on-reset
circuit checked. He's sucking you in. You can fight it!



Gilligan...my genious is mixing just enough real sounding stuff with
the absurd. Since most people have no imagination, it's almost always
going to work. Look at Scotty's recent post about me being a decent
fellow in person. Well, duh! But this is alt.sailing.asa where the
villains have more fun.
Darth Vader always had more fun than Luke...and his suit was air
conditioned just like my 35s5!

Robert B
35s5...The boat to be called....Jedi!!!!!!
NY


You're absolutely right there RB. If villians have more fun, is that because
fun is considered evil?

Gilligan

The Daring Sailor
 

Running that AC will greatly increase electrolytic corrosion below the
waterline.

Gilligan


"Jeff" wrote in message
...
Capt. Rob wrote:
Seriously, Bob, there's no reason why you can't do that. You'll have
a nurse on board and you can get med-evac'd from anywhere you're
likely to go. You're kid is still young enough that he doesn't need
friends or civilization on a daily basis (this will change in a few
years). And for all my ragging your bendy is probably up to it, if
you don't mind roughing it a bit.

Roughing it? How so? Our boat is more comfortable than yours and
doesn't need to motor in the commonly light airs here. It even has AC
and heat. A boat without AC is horrific in August.

BWAAHAHAHAHAHA!! A boat without A/C is horrific! I think that says
it all! And even more bizarre, he doesn't even have a genset, so it
can only be used at the slip with shorepower. In other words, the
very concept of cruising the boat is horrific to Bob! (And bragging
about having heat when it has to be plugged into shorepower is just
plain stupid!)

And claiming its more comfortable than mine is pretty clueless, when I
have two queen size bunks, both with double overhead hatches (plus
third small cabin also with overhead hatch); a large head AND a
standup shower; a galley with large counter space; a freezer larger
than his fridge; enough standing room in the cabins to close the door
while changing clothes ... The list goes on and on, but its lost on
someone who thinks sailing without A/C is horrific!

My decks space is big enough for family and guests to stretch out and
sun bath; my cockpit has room for a crowd. I carry a dinghy in davits
and a kayak on deck. But all Bob can do is stay in the slip and
huddle down below to enjoy the A/C and watch 3 TVs. Otherwise it
would be horrific!

You need to forget about trying to sell everyone on your cat. Most
sailors prefer boats like mine..one hull, traditional heeling and the
like.

There are lots of nice cruising monohulls. There are lots of
monohulls that actually have a hatch in the main stateroom. Or a
hatch in the head. Or a galley that counter space measured in feet,
not inches. Even my old 30 footer had these things. You keep talking
about your spiffy interior but there really isn't a single aspect of
it that's true comfort, it has just a few touches that look nice in a
brochure.

Ventilation is measured in hatches, not A/C. Does your head have a
single hatch? Counters are measured in actually space, not granite.
Does your galley have even a few inches of counter space? How do
you call a boat comfortable if you can't sleep, eat or poop in it?

The same qualities that make your boat so "lively" to sail will make
it roll at anchor, while mine is rock steady. Of course, you'll never
sleep at anchor because that would be "horrific"!

It's WHY we like to sail and a Cat is just another animal...like
a Trawler to us. I'm honestly glad you love the boat and that's all
that should matter, Jeff.

yup.


But seriously, and all BS asside....Suzanne just started her new career
and any long trips are pretty much out for next season. We may get a
shot to Block Island at the most, but that's all.

Bock Island is only 100 nm from your slip, it should be easy. But
make sure you have a reservation for a slip, because otherwise it
would be horrific!

By her second year,
Suzanne will get 5 weeks vacation and things will be different. I'll be
thrilled to day sail the 35s5 and spend some weekends aboard with my
son when she works.

Sorry Bob, you won't be able to sail alone with your kid for a few
years unless you have someone else aboard. Really, its just doesn't
work any other way. In fact, you'll be single handing while Suzy
watches the kid. But you'll figure this out soon enough.

I still have a vivid memory of going into the first lock on the Erie
Canal and hearing our then 3 1/2 year old yelling "I have to go pottie!"


And I'll be tickled when can all set off of some
long weekends.

Just make sure you have reservations for the slip at Capri.

The Daring Sailor
 

Running that AC will greatly increase electrolytic corrosion below the
waterline.

The system is isolated 100%. The previous owner was quite worried about
it.


RB

The Daring Sailor
 

"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
oups.com...
My boat is very fast for a cruiser design.


No, it isn't. It's not even lower middle of the pack.

Oh yes it is...... check sailcalc... I'd tell you to ask some of the
owners of the vessels I sail with ... but you never leave the harbour!! :-)

CM

The Daring Sailor
 

But it also depends on your dock connections.

How many boats are common to the dock GFI circuit?

The GFI only senses the sum of the currents at the GFI, not the currents in
the individual boats, which can be large and opposite in polarity, hence
"tricking" the GFI.

What's the resistance between the AC ground at the dock and your boat
ground?

An isolator is a voltage clamp (two or less diodes in series) and still has
leakage current. There is no such thing as 100% isolation. If your
isolation is 20 dB and you are pulling 20 amps on the AC, there could be 200
mA of stray current. That, as a plating current, can throw a lot of metal.
Seriously, get your actual installation checked out. When you visit another
dock, the problem could start over again.

You must check out your particular dock set up. Have a professional do it
and get a second opinion. Don't skimp! Also get the water around the dock
surveyed for leakage currents.

Gilligan

"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
oups.com...
Running that AC will greatly increase electrolytic corrosion below the
waterline.

The system is isolated 100%. The previous owner was quite worried about
it.


RB

The Daring Sailor
 

"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
ps.com...

snipped another foamy screed

Capt Robert Bubbles
a fraud
NY


Jeesus, you are a fool. AFAIK, you ARE the only person here with " little
real world sailing experience" Grow a pair, get a life.

John Cairns

The Daring Sailor
 

Jeesus, you are a fool. AFAIK, you ARE the only person here with "
little
real world sailing experience" Grow a pair, get a life.


Yes, John...as far as you know! Which aint too far!!

RB
35s5...a boat that eats Catalina 28's for a snack!
NY