When we shorthauled the 35s5 the surveyor and a few of us got into a
long discussion about the IOR influence on the 35s5. Her sucked in tail
section, how she picked up generous waterline when heeled...a big
debate broke out about downwind sailing.
"They're pigs downwind and it takes a lot of talent to go fast." A few
nods of agreement. The boat's name, Windward First is a joke about how
fast she is on that tack. Dead downwind can be rough. Other discussion
about how it was important to keep her nose up with a modified set of
the chute, sacrificing some shape for downdraft, but I don't have
enough experience with chutes to understand the nitty gritty. Her owner
says we'll fly the chute the day before we decommission her.
I found the boat fast downwind, but I wasn't racing of course. Racing
is sometihing we'll try with her, but it's far from a top priority. As
a cruiser she'll be faster than most.
Then another discussion started about her wing. The owner said she was
quicker to semi-plane with the wing than his previous deep draft model.
"But there's more wetted surface and the foil is for lateral
pressures/lift and can be counterproductive downwind", came another
remark. Her owner said this wasn't the case.
Anyway...thoughts on this? I'm no performance hound but I listened with
interest to all. None of it matters much for our intended usage, but
this will be my first "performance" boat so I want to know more!

Robert B
35s5
NY

Well Bob..... she's a fin keeler! She'll go to weather in light air. She'll
suck a turtle's backwash dead downwind... but you might get some speed out
of it on a broad reach if you reef plenty.

I can get 13 kts steady out of Overproof dead down wind... fully loaded with
2K of booze, food for 5 days with a 6 man crew in 34 kts of wind... full
main, 150 Genoa.... and still not spill drinks. :-)

Best keep your squirrelly little racer in the bay laddie.... the sea is no
place to play with light plastic....

CM


"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
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When we shorthauled the 35s5 the surveyor and a few of us got into a
long discussion about the IOR influence on the 35s5. Her sucked in tail
section, how she picked up generous waterline when heeled...a big
debate broke out about downwind sailing.
"They're pigs downwind and it takes a lot of talent to go fast." A few
nods of agreement. The boat's name, Windward First is a joke about how
fast she is on that tack. Dead downwind can be rough. Other discussion
about how it was important to keep her nose up with a modified set of
the chute, sacrificing some shape for downdraft, but I don't have
enough experience with chutes to understand the nitty gritty. Her owner
says we'll fly the chute the day before we decommission her.
I found the boat fast downwind, but I wasn't racing of course. Racing
is sometihing we'll try with her, but it's far from a top priority. As
a cruiser she'll be faster than most.
Then another discussion started about her wing. The owner said she was
quicker to semi-plane with the wing than his previous deep draft model.
"But there's more wetted surface and the foil is for lateral
pressures/lift and can be counterproductive downwind", came another
remark. Her owner said this wasn't the case.
Anyway...thoughts on this? I'm no performance hound but I listened with
interest to all. None of it matters much for our intended usage, but
this will be my first "performance" boat so I want to know more!

Robert B
35s5
NY

Best keep your squirrelly little racer in the bay laddie.... the sea is
no
place to play with light plastic....

And yet that's where people tend to sail these boats for fun. Don't be
silly, Mooron. Plenty of folks modify even straight racers for cruising
because they don't want crab crushers. I'm still young enough to have
no interest in a crabcrusher.

I won't comment on the 13 knots. I'm too busy knitting a sweater for
the Loch Ness Monster and it's nearly done.

RB
35s5...the better performing boat by far!

What the hell is "semi-plane" Never heard that term before. Is that
when you think your going fast enough to almost plane? Truth is: you
either own a sport boat or a displacement boat. What a jackass.

Dear oh dear, It seems you were mixing with a bunch without a clue.



I have a feeling the owner of Doyle sails and the most winning Tartan
10 sailor have a clue. So far no one has even caught on to who the
owner of my 35s5 was, even after finding the documentation. Amazing.
When Loco find out who was on my sea trial he'll **** a sea turtle...or
Scotty's Wife!


RB

What the hell is "semi-plane"? Is that when you think you are going
fast enough to almost plane? Boob........ there is no such thing. You
either sail a sport boat or a displacement boat. What a jackass.

When we shorthauled the 35s5 the surveyor and a few of us got into a
long discussion about the IOR influence on the 35s5. Her sucked in tail
section

???

Have you actually seen a Beneteau 35s5 stern sections? They are not
"sucked in" at all.

... how she picked up generous waterline when heeled...a big
debate broke out about downwind sailing.
"They're pigs downwind..."

OzOne wrote:
Dear oh dear, It seems you were mixing with a bunch without a clue.


Or just making it all up. The Ben 35s5 is sort of a cruiserized copy of
a late IOR type, with a flat section aft meeting the transom. It is not
a pinched 1970s IOR 'broach coach' stern.

As for a wing keel helping a boat plane, that's certainly possible
(after all, Moths are now flying)
http://www.int-moth.org.uk/PopUpAdam3.htm

but that would negate the righting moment of the keel's weight. Hmmm
does anybody think this could be a problem?

Bubbles, you're nuts!

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

"DSK" wrote in message
. ..
When we shorthauled the 35s5 the surveyor and a few of us got
into a
long discussion about the IOR influence on the 35s5. Her
sucked in tail
section

???

Have you actually seen a Beneteau 35s5 stern sections? They are
not
"sucked in" at all.


it's got a Sooper Dooper Pooper Scooper Swim Platform.

SBV

Have you actually seen a Beneteau 35s5 stern sections? They are not
"sucked in" at all


Doug, in all seriousness, you're not correct about this. The aft
sections are indeed sucked in and it's easy to see. I can photograph it
soon if you like.
Lock, I've heard the term semi-plane for years and years in regard to
boats like the 35s5, 30/30's and various J-boats. The 35s5 hull bottom
has a flat section at the bow to give it lift and in some situations it
will semi-plane. I'm pretty shocked that you never heard it. It becomes
more and more clear that you've sailed in a bubble your whole life.

Robert B
35s5....a boat quick to semi-plane.
NY

it's got a Sooper Dooper Pooper Scooper Swim Platform.


Yeah, maybe we can back it up and scoop up your whole family!

RB