"Jeff" wrote in message
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This is one of those curious verses where everyone seems to derive
different meaning. For Jews, it simply means the Jesus was a Jew,
speaking to Jews, and expected everyone to continue following the
Jewish tradition. Somewhat later, the Church decided they could
re-interpret the strict meaning of Jewish law to suit the new theology.

Party pooper!

Gay avek!

To the lava lakes for you!

Amen!

Oy vey!

Bob Crantz wrote:
"Jeff" wrote in message
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This is one of those curious verses where everyone seems to derive
different meaning. For Jews, it simply means the Jesus was a Jew,
speaking to Jews, and expected everyone to continue following the
Jewish tradition. Somewhat later, the Church decided they could
re-interpret the strict meaning of Jewish law to suit the new theology.

Party pooper!

Gay avek!

To the lava lakes for you!

Amen!

Oy vey!

What's your problem? I thought you might appreciate the fact that
I've actually read parts of the Bible and know a little bit about this
stuff. Are you denying the the Church "accepted" the Old Testament
but then said many to the commandments needn't be followed? Its clear
that Jesus said the all must be followed.

"Jeff" wrote in message ...
| Bob Crantz wrote:
| "Jeff" wrote in message
| ...
|
|
| This is one of those curious verses where everyone seems to derive
| different meaning. For Jews, it simply means the Jesus was a Jew,
| speaking to Jews, and expected everyone to continue following the
| Jewish tradition. Somewhat later, the Church decided they could
| re-interpret the strict meaning of Jewish law to suit the new theology.
|
| Party pooper!
|
| Gay avek!
|
| To the lava lakes for you!
|
| Amen!
|
| Oy vey!
|
| What's your problem? I thought you might appreciate the fact that
| I've actually read parts of the Bible and know a little bit about this
| stuff. Are you denying the the Church "accepted" the Old Testament
| but then said many to the commandments needn't be followed? Its clear
| that Jesus said the all must be followed.

And, Jesus even made some of them more strict and clarified others.
Jesus commenced the sermon on the mount saying, "Don't think that I
came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but
to fulfill." Then He went on at length expanding and explaining and
contemporizing.

Try to have mercy on Mr. Crantz. As a Baptist his understanding of
scripture is somewhat biased and limited.

CN

"Jeff" wrote:
Bob Crantz wrote:
"Jeff" wrote:


This is one of those curious verses where everyone seems to derive
different meaning. For Jews, it simply means the Jesus was a Jew,
speaking to Jews, and expected everyone to continue following the
Jewish tradition. Somewhat later, the Church decided they could
re-interpret the strict meaning of Jewish law to suit the new theology.

Party pooper!

Gay avek!

To the lava lakes for you!

Amen!

Oy vey!

What's your problem? I thought you might appreciate the fact that I've
actually read parts of the Bible and know a little bit about this stuff.
Are you denying the the Church "accepted" the Old Testament but then said
many to the commandments needn't be followed? Its clear that Jesus said
the all must be followed.

I appreciated your comments, Jeff. It's impossible to talk to CN about such
things, he just slams down the phone or e-mails insults and want even listen
to what you have to say about such things...when he's the one that asks the
questions to begin with.

LP

"Jeff" wrote:
Are you denying the the Church "accepted" the Old Testament but then
said
many to the commandments needn't be followed? Its clear that Jesus said
the all must be followed.

A two-hump camel is a horse designed by committee......

The Church did not "accept the OT". The "OT" didn't exist as a document
until the Bible was compiled by a committee nearly 300 years after the man
it calls Jesus lived. The Bible OT was compiled from several parts. The
first and largest was redacted from the "Book of Moses" which was itself
heavily redacted from oral histories circa 200 BC IIRC. The rest comprise
some history plus legends supporting the coming of a Messiah, without
defining what a Messiah is. Hint: Jesus was not a Messiah.

Nor is it at all clear what Jesus said - it is only clear what others claim
he said based on hearsay 50-100 years later.

Christianity has little to do with the man we call Jesus. Saul invented
Christianity in the midst of a grand mal seizure. When he presented his
notions to Jesus' friends and desciples they tried to stone him for heresy.
He was expelled from Judea and had to change his name to Paul to avoid
assasination. That 'otta tell you what Jesus himself might have thought of
modern Christianity.

The fellow Greeks Saul was trying to convert wouldn't follow kosher dietary
laws let alone mutilate their penises as required by OT rules so he had to
abandon those "commandments".