BeneHuntalina
 

"Jeff" wrote in message
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This is one of those curious verses where everyone seems to derive
different meaning. For Jews, it simply means the Jesus was a Jew,
speaking to Jews, and expected everyone to continue following the
Jewish tradition. Somewhat later, the Church decided they could
re-interpret the strict meaning of Jewish law to suit the new theology.

Party pooper!

Gay avek!

To the lava lakes for you!

Amen!

Oy vey!

BeneHuntalina
 

Bob Crantz wrote:
"Jeff" wrote in message
...


This is one of those curious verses where everyone seems to derive
different meaning. For Jews, it simply means the Jesus was a Jew,
speaking to Jews, and expected everyone to continue following the
Jewish tradition. Somewhat later, the Church decided they could
re-interpret the strict meaning of Jewish law to suit the new theology.

Party pooper!

Gay avek!

To the lava lakes for you!

Amen!

Oy vey!

What's your problem? I thought you might appreciate the fact that
I've actually read parts of the Bible and know a little bit about this
stuff. Are you denying the the Church "accepted" the Old Testament
but then said many to the commandments needn't be followed? Its clear
that Jesus said the all must be followed.

BeneHuntalina
 

"Jeff" wrote in message ...
| Capt. Neal® wrote:
| "Jeff" wrote in message ...
| | Bob Crantz wrote:
| | "Lady Pilot" wrote in message
| | news:mxeaf.314$Kv.312@dukeread05...
| |
| | Proverbs 31:1-7 ***
| |
| | 3 Do not give your vital energy to women, nor your ways to [what leads
| | to]
| | wiping out kings.
| |
| | Amen!
| | Hahahaaaa! Do you really think Neal is a king? King Solomon, who was the
| | son of King David by his wife Bathsheba, had 700 wives and 300 concubines.
| |
| |
| | Before acting on the last of the proverbs, read carefully the first. "nor
| | your ways to wiping out kings" in no way asserts Neal is a king.
| |
| |
| | Actually the meaning of the phrase is unclear in the original and the
| | translations are just speculations. Another version is "Do not give
| | your strength to woman, your vigor to those who destroy kings."
| |
| | This is one of those curious parts of the Old Testament that was
| | probably not actually originally Hebrew.
|
|
|
| Much of the Old Testament has been superceded by the New Testament.
| In the sermon on the mount Jesus clarified many of the old commandments
| and expanded upon them. "Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or
| the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill." --Matthew 5:17
|
|
| Certainly the Christian view is that the New Testament supersedes the
| Jewish Bible, but Jesus was speaking as a Jew in the Sermon on the
| Mount. He clearly said in the following verse: "For truly I tell you,
| until Heaven and Earth pass away, not one letter, not one stroke of a
| letter, will pass from the law until all is accomplished."
|
| By "law" he was referring to the Jewish ways. (Although, strictly
| speaking, the Book of Proverbs is part of "The Writings" and not "The
| Law.")
|
| This is one of those curious verses where everyone seems to derive
| different meaning. For Jews, it simply means the Jesus was a Jew,
| speaking to Jews, and expected everyone to continue following the
| Jewish tradition. Somewhat later, the Church decided they could
| re-interpret the strict meaning of Jewish law to suit the new theology.
|
| I think Jesus paraphrased the above statement about not giving your
| strength to women and your vigor to destroying kings when He said:
| "Do not lay up for yourselves treasures on Earth, where moth and rust
| destroy and where thieves break in and steal" --Matthew 6:19
|
| No, it is pretty clear Jesus was talking about material possessions,
| while Proverb 31 is the admonishment of a mother to a prince that
| indulging in women and booze is not appropriate for a king.


I'm curious which version of the Bible you are quoting from.

CN

BeneHuntalina
 

"Jeff" wrote in message ...
| Bob Crantz wrote:
| "Jeff" wrote in message
| ...
|
|
| This is one of those curious verses where everyone seems to derive
| different meaning. For Jews, it simply means the Jesus was a Jew,
| speaking to Jews, and expected everyone to continue following the
| Jewish tradition. Somewhat later, the Church decided they could
| re-interpret the strict meaning of Jewish law to suit the new theology.
|
| Party pooper!
|
| Gay avek!
|
| To the lava lakes for you!
|
| Amen!
|
| Oy vey!
|
| What's your problem? I thought you might appreciate the fact that
| I've actually read parts of the Bible and know a little bit about this
| stuff. Are you denying the the Church "accepted" the Old Testament
| but then said many to the commandments needn't be followed? Its clear
| that Jesus said the all must be followed.

And, Jesus even made some of them more strict and clarified others.
Jesus commenced the sermon on the mount saying, "Don't think that I
came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but
to fulfill." Then He went on at length expanding and explaining and
contemporizing.

Try to have mercy on Mr. Crantz. As a Baptist his understanding of
scripture is somewhat biased and limited.

CN

BeneHuntalina
 

"Jeff" wrote:
Bob Crantz wrote:
"Jeff" wrote:


This is one of those curious verses where everyone seems to derive
different meaning. For Jews, it simply means the Jesus was a Jew,
speaking to Jews, and expected everyone to continue following the
Jewish tradition. Somewhat later, the Church decided they could
re-interpret the strict meaning of Jewish law to suit the new theology.

Party pooper!

Gay avek!

To the lava lakes for you!

Amen!

Oy vey!

What's your problem? I thought you might appreciate the fact that I've
actually read parts of the Bible and know a little bit about this stuff.
Are you denying the the Church "accepted" the Old Testament but then said
many to the commandments needn't be followed? Its clear that Jesus said
the all must be followed.

I appreciated your comments, Jeff. It's impossible to talk to CN about such
things, he just slams down the phone or e-mails insults and want even listen
to what you have to say about such things...when he's the one that asks the
questions to begin with.

LP

BeneHuntalina
 

"Jeff" wrote:
Are you denying the the Church "accepted" the Old Testament but then
said
many to the commandments needn't be followed? Its clear that Jesus said
the all must be followed.

A two-hump camel is a horse designed by committee......

The Church did not "accept the OT". The "OT" didn't exist as a document
until the Bible was compiled by a committee nearly 300 years after the man
it calls Jesus lived. The Bible OT was compiled from several parts. The
first and largest was redacted from the "Book of Moses" which was itself
heavily redacted from oral histories circa 200 BC IIRC. The rest comprise
some history plus legends supporting the coming of a Messiah, without
defining what a Messiah is. Hint: Jesus was not a Messiah.

Nor is it at all clear what Jesus said - it is only clear what others claim
he said based on hearsay 50-100 years later.

Christianity has little to do with the man we call Jesus. Saul invented
Christianity in the midst of a grand mal seizure. When he presented his
notions to Jesus' friends and desciples they tried to stone him for heresy.
He was expelled from Judea and had to change his name to Paul to avoid
assasination. That 'otta tell you what Jesus himself might have thought of
modern Christianity.

The fellow Greeks Saul was trying to convert wouldn't follow kosher dietary
laws let alone mutilate their penises as required by OT rules so he had to
abandon those "commandments".