Dolphins!
 

If he is going around to Sydney, he should stop off at Louisbourg. I
love that town.
Matt Colie

Capt.Mooron wrote:

Give me a head's up as to when you plan on passing by Jeff..... It would be
great to meet up with you. Sydney wouldn't be my first pick of haul-outs....
try the Bras'Or Lakes.

BTW - it's Cape Breton Island... and seriously take in the Highlands
National Park and Cabot Trail.

CM



"Jeff" wrote in message

A friend returned from wintering in Newfoundland (!) and got me thinking:
If we sailed around Nova Scotia one summer we could leave the boat around
Cape Brenton or maybe in Sydney for the winter. The next year we could
hop over to Newfoundland for a summer, and them return to Sydney. The
third summer perhaps go up the St. Lawrence and through Lake Champlain to
return. How's that sound for a plan?

Here's some of my friend's pics of Newfoundland:
http://liveaboard.sv-moonshadow.com/...004/index.html
and their sailing site:
http://liveaboard.sv-moonshadow.com/mnshdw.htm

Dolphins!
 

"Capt. Rob" wrote
... The damage to the ecosystem is in the silt.

Ah ... er ... I hate to tell you this but it ain't silt. It's the same
"silt" that forms in a septic tank.

Dolphins!
 

Ah ... er ... I hate to tell you this but it ain't silt. It's the same

"silt" that forms in a septic tank.


100% wrong. The bottom conditions of the Sound are quite unique and
specific after thousands of years. It's nothing at all like the bottom
of a septic tank. Of course it helps if you actually know what "silt"
is. You clearly don't. Quite simply...

1 : loose sedimentary material with rock particles usually -uf,1-
millimeter or less in diameter.

It's a generic term for the most part. Damage to the Sound has been due
to illegal dumping allowed by local and Federal goverments. The system
is recoverable to some degree. The water itself, literally "flushed" by
tha race every day is cleaner than the Maryland/PA or local beach
waters.
Bob Crantz knows nothing about ecology. He's a Google hound with no
inherent knowledge base. And you may know even less.

Robert B
35s5...A better faster boat than yours!

Dolphins!
 

"Capt. Rob" wrote in message

I forgot to mention that when test sailing the 35s5 last Tuesday a pod
of Dolphins swam with us for quite a while. I guess some of you see
that all the time, but it was way-cool!!! Even the Dolphins dug the
shape of the 35s5!

Did thee fail to notice they were laughing?

Cyrus

Dolphins!
 

Aaahahahahahaaa!!!!

Can't argue with facts and figures from both the Government and
environmental groups, can you?

Face it Bob, you may have a nice and wonderful boat but you live and sail in
a cesspool.

Where's the quality of life you brag about?

Traffic, congestion, crime, air pollution, water pollution, high taxes,
stress.

No wonder your colon is damaged.

You can't refute me. Not ever!

Amen!


"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
ups.com...
Ah ... er ... I hate to tell you this but it ain't silt. It's the same

"silt" that forms in a septic tank.


100% wrong. The bottom conditions of the Sound are quite unique and
specific after thousands of years. It's nothing at all like the bottom
of a septic tank. Of course it helps if you actually know what "silt"
is. You clearly don't. Quite simply...

1 : loose sedimentary material with rock particles usually -uf,1-
millimeter or less in diameter.

It's a generic term for the most part. Damage to the Sound has been due
to illegal dumping allowed by local and Federal goverments. The system
is recoverable to some degree. The water itself, literally "flushed" by
tha race every day is cleaner than the Maryland/PA or local beach
waters.
Bob Crantz knows nothing about ecology. He's a Google hound with no
inherent knowledge base. And you may know even less.

Robert B
35s5...A better faster boat than yours!

Dolphins!
 

Face it Bob, you may have a nice and wonderful boat


AHHH HAAA! Got ya!
Nice of you to admit that we own a nice and wonderful boat.

Thanks!

RB
35s5

Dolphins!
 

Legal dumping!!!!

Nature and Politics

by Jeffrey St. Clair and Alexander Cockburn


Down the Drain

When New Yorkers flush their toilets, the waste ends up more than 2,000
miles away in Hudspeth County, Texas. It's carried there by train and then
sprayed on 78,000 acres of desert only a few miles from the small town of
Sierra Blanca.

Remember Sierra Blanca? It's the largely Hispanic town that in 1999 fended
off plans to locate on its doorstep a dump for radioactive waste from the
Northeast. Now it finds itself as the neighbor of the largest sewage sludge
dump in the nation. On most days the air is putrid, and now people are
beginning to come down with strange illnesses. And in George Bash's Texas
there's little legal recourse to stop the flow of sludge.

How New York City's sludge--toxic, foul-smelling and loaded with live
pathogens--got to Sierra Blanca tells us a lot about the way poor,
minority-dominated communities in America become dumping grounds for the
powerful. And it also speaks volumes about the shameless political
panderings of George W. Bush.

For decades, New York City dumped its sewage into Eastchester Bay. Then in
1988 Congress banned the ocean dumping of sludge and a mad rush ensued for a
new disposal site. First they looked to Oklahoma, but reports that the
sludge was contaminated with a toxic menu of pollutants, ranging from
arsenic and chromium to mercury and lead, prompted the state legislature to
pass a law banning the import of out-of-state sewage. Next New York eyed
Arizona. But this normally compliant state also rose up, banning sewage
shipped by rail after finding out about the high levels of benzenes and
disease-causing germs. Finally, in 1992 they homed in on a site in Hudspeth
County, Texas, only three miles away from the town of Sierra Blanca.

The company that won the lucrative contract to haul away and dispose of New
York's sludge was Merco Joint Venture, a Long Island firm with a nasty
reputation. In return for its $158 million deal, Merco pledged that they
would use the "nutrient rich" sludge on arid ranch lands in the Southwest in
order to "reclaim" them. Merco didn't take any chances that their permit
might be denied. They put 40 local people on their payroll, including the
former sheriff and his wife, former state environmental regulators, and
politicians. They unfurled a $598,000 public relations campaign and,
according to a 1995 report in the New York Times, "threatened to sue anyone
who stood in the way." They also made a $1.5 million bequest to Texas Tech
University. The funds were earmarked for a study of the beneficial uses of
sludge, although officials at the university had endorsed the dump even
before the money was in their pockets. The permit was approved almost
immediately, without an environmental review or any public hearings.

The permit allowed Merco to dump more than 200 tons of wet sewage sludge
every day. There were problems almost immediately. The air began to stink,
causing residents who lived more than 20 miles from the dump to gag from the
odor. Property values dropped and some ranches close to the dump simply
couldn't be sold. Then people began developing skin rashes, blisters, and
strange cases of influenza. Complaints to the state environmental agencies
went unheeded. "The chemical vapors mixed with a fecal smell are
indescribable, except to say it smells like death," says Bill Addington, a
Sierra Blanca resident and environmental organizer. "The Texas Air Control
Board came down and told us it was just the smell of cow patties."

Addington and others filed a civil rights action with the EPA in 1997,
alleging that the dump amounted to an act of environmental racism. The EPA
summarily dismissed the action. Later that year, Merco applied to the Texas
Natural Resource Conservation Commission for a five-year extension of its
permit. They also requested that the permit be expanded, allowing them to
triple the amount of sludge the company could dump on each acre. The members
of the commission are Bush appointees. According to a report on the dump by
the Texas chapter of Public Employees for Environmental Responsibility,
Merco hired Cliff Johnson to navigate the permit through the commission.
Johnson is Bush's former legislative director.

The commission dismissed complaints by local residents and swiftly approved
the new permit. Soon Merco began dumping 400 tons of wet sludge a day. When
New York City's Environmental Protection Commission dispatched a
fact-checking team to Sierra Blanca, they were met with hostility. "I don't
think it's fair for you people to come here and shove this thing down our
children's throats and say that it's good, because it's not," said Margie
Mendez, a teacher at the local grade school. "You're not here to see the
kids come in with warts, or having stomach viruses, or blisters in their
mouths."

Naturally, Merco's management of the dump didn't improve. In 1999, the
company was forced to admit that it had violated federal and state
regulations by not properly treating the New York City sewage sludge for
bacteria and pathogens. This was the second time Merco had been caught. In
1994, it was fined $12,800 for dumping untreated sludge. This situation is
serious, since untreated sludge can carry e. coli, salmonella, and TB. In
1996, there was an outbreak of New York flu virus in Van Horn, Texas, 30
miles west of the dump site. "We feel like guinea pigs," says Addington.

The town of Sierra Blanca is so destitute it can't even afford to build its
own sewer system.



"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
ups.com...
Ah ... er ... I hate to tell you this but it ain't silt. It's the same

"silt" that forms in a septic tank.


100% wrong. The bottom conditions of the Sound are quite unique and
specific after thousands of years. It's nothing at all like the bottom
of a septic tank. Of course it helps if you actually know what "silt"
is. You clearly don't. Quite simply...

1 : loose sedimentary material with rock particles usually -uf,1-
millimeter or less in diameter.

It's a generic term for the most part. Damage to the Sound has been due
to illegal dumping allowed by local and Federal goverments. The system
is recoverable to some degree. The water itself, literally "flushed" by
tha race every day is cleaner than the Maryland/PA or local beach
waters.
Bob Crantz knows nothing about ecology. He's a Google hound with no
inherent knowledge base. And you may know even less.

Robert B
35s5...A better faster boat than yours!

Dolphins!
 

I had a chance to work there supervising repairs to some buildings. I'm too
busy right now on post construction reports.

Great Spot.

CM

"Matt Colie" wrote in message
...
If he is going around to Sydney, he should stop off at Louisbourg. I love
that town.
Matt Colie

Capt.Mooron wrote:

Give me a head's up as to when you plan on passing by Jeff..... It would
be great to meet up with you. Sydney wouldn't be my first pick of
haul-outs.... try the Bras'Or Lakes.

BTW - it's Cape Breton Island... and seriously take in the Highlands
National Park and Cabot Trail.

CM



"Jeff" wrote in message

A friend returned from wintering in Newfoundland (!) and got me thinking:
If we sailed around Nova Scotia one summer we could leave the boat around
Cape Brenton or maybe in Sydney for the winter. The next year we could
hop over to Newfoundland for a summer, and them return to Sydney. The
third summer perhaps go up the St. Lawrence and through Lake Champlain to
return. How's that sound for a plan?

Here's some of my friend's pics of Newfoundland:
http://liveaboard.sv-moonshadow.com/...004/index.html
and their sailing site:
http://liveaboard.sv-moonshadow.com/mnshdw.htm

Dolphins!
 

"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
ups.com...
Ah ... er ... I hate to tell you this but it ain't silt. It's the same

"silt" that forms in a septic tank.


100% wrong. The bottom conditions of the Sound are quite unique and
specific after thousands of years. It's nothing at all like the bottom
of a septic tank. Of course it helps if you actually know what "silt"
is. You clearly don't. Quite simply...

No Bob... he's quite right. The term "silt" is used to describe both the
action [siltation] and the gradation [less then 0.0075] Silt generally
contains clays and other particulate matter. Clays have even smaller
particulate sizes.


1 : loose sedimentary material with rock particles usually -uf,1-
millimeter or less in diameter.

It's a generic term for the most part. Damage to the Sound has been due
to illegal dumping allowed by local and Federal goverments. The system
is recoverable to some degree. The water itself, literally "flushed" by
tha race every day is cleaner than the Maryland/PA or local beach
waters.

The very fact that a sediment can accumulate indicates that insufficent
"flushing" is present. The area is bottle necked and bowled which makes
efficent flushing very difficult unless the contaminant is suspended. Add to
the fact that sedimentation protects and seals lower layers as natural
settlement moves the heavier particulate matter to the bottom... and you
have a reciepe for a very difficult clean-up. Silt born contaminats are the
most difficult to remove and take the longest to recover. It is also one of
the most expensive type of contamination treatment situations since any
disturbance releases concentrated contaminants. I believe it was mentioned
that siltation depths exceed 10 ft in many areas. That is a phenomenal
amount of contamination.


Bob Crantz knows nothing about ecology. He's a Google hound with no
inherent knowledge base. And you may know even less.

You may be wrong there...... he may be pulling your chain... but the facts
do substantiate his claims.

Please avoid swiming or eating any seafood caught within proximity of your
area. Certainly do not let your child come in frequent contact with the
water there. The effects will not be noticed for many years... but they will
be noticed eventually.

CM

Dolphins!
 

I never said it wasn't.


"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
oups.com...
Face it Bob, you may have a nice and wonderful boat


AHHH HAAA! Got ya!
Nice of you to admit that we own a nice and wonderful boat.

Thanks!

RB
35s5

Dolphins!
 

More Brilliance from Mooron!



"Capt.Mooron" wrote in message
news:eo4af.74009$S4.50545@edtnps84...

"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
ups.com...
Ah ... er ... I hate to tell you this but it ain't silt. It's the same

"silt" that forms in a septic tank.


100% wrong. The bottom conditions of the Sound are quite unique and
specific after thousands of years. It's nothing at all like the bottom
of a septic tank. Of course it helps if you actually know what "silt"
is. You clearly don't. Quite simply...

No Bob... he's quite right. The term "silt" is used to describe both the
action [siltation] and the gradation [less then 0.0075] Silt generally
contains clays and other particulate matter. Clays have even smaller
particulate sizes.


1 : loose sedimentary material with rock particles usually -uf,1-
millimeter or less in diameter.

It's a generic term for the most part. Damage to the Sound has been due
to illegal dumping allowed by local and Federal goverments. The system
is recoverable to some degree. The water itself, literally "flushed" by
tha race every day is cleaner than the Maryland/PA or local beach
waters.

The very fact that a sediment can accumulate indicates that insufficent
"flushing" is present. The area is bottle necked and bowled which makes
efficent flushing very difficult unless the contaminant is suspended. Add
to
the fact that sedimentation protects and seals lower layers as natural
settlement moves the heavier particulate matter to the bottom... and you
have a reciepe for a very difficult clean-up. Silt born contaminats are
the
most difficult to remove and take the longest to recover. It is also one
of
the most expensive type of contamination treatment situations since any
disturbance releases concentrated contaminants. I believe it was mentioned

that siltation depths exceed 10 ft in many areas. That is a phenomenal
amount of contamination.


Bob Crantz knows nothing about ecology. He's a Google hound with no
inherent knowledge base. And you may know even less.

You may be wrong there...... he may be pulling your chain... but the
facts
do substantiate his claims.

Please avoid swiming or eating any seafood caught within proximity of your
area. Certainly do not let your child come in frequent contact with the
water there. The effects will not be noticed for many years... but they
will
be noticed eventually.

CM

Dolphins!
 

No Bob... he's quite right. The term "silt" is used to describe both
the
action [siltation] and the gradation [less then 0.0075] Silt generally
contains clays and other particulate matter.


Wrong Mooron. I posted the dictionary definition.

The very fact that a sediment can accumulate indicates that
insufficent
"flushing" is present.

No amount of "flushing" can remove the type of dumping that's occured.
This does not change the fact that the majority of the contamination
effects the base of the sound and not the water contained in it. That
water circulates and is exchanged on a regular basis. The water of the
Sound is clean, but the base is contaminated. No one has ever been
injured by swimming in these waters. I don't eat seafood from this area
because the ecological damage might extend that far. Still, I know lots
of people who eat what they catch here and no one is glowing or getting
sick.

RB

Dolphins!
 

Yes, its a different world indeed! When your only ambition is to
daysail, you don't have to be concerned with the wind strength or your
speed. You go out for an hour, you come back for an hour. The
destination is of no importance; you can decide at the last minute
which way is most favorable. And it matters little whether you go
first to the bridge and then to the rock, or vice versa. And if you
miscalculate, it just means you start the engine a few minute early.

By your own admission, this is virtually all you ever do. Even on
your "long trips" you waited until the conditions were absolutely
perfect, and more often than not you canceled out! This forum is
filled with your promises of a major trip "real soon now," but it
never seems to happen.

Cruising, on the other hand, requires certain commitments, planning,
and an ability to handle whatever comes up without scooting back to
the safety of your slip.

For instance, when we leave Boston, roughly half the time time the
current is against us, over 2 knots for a considerable stretch. If
the wind is light, I'm not going to hesitate to fire up the engine.
Why not just accept it and spend 3-4 hours working out of the harbor?
Because often as not we have another 30-50 miles to go once we get
out! A daysailor would just avoid the mouth of the harbor when the
current is running; a cruiser has to deal with it. If we do an
overnight trip to get Down East, it doesn't serve any purpose to drift
around 20 miles offshore in the middle of the night.

And most of our routes involve high current passages such as the Cape
Cod Canal, Wood's Hole, the Blynman Canal, etc. When you make a
commitment to transit the Cape Cod Canal, it doesn't do you much good
to sail 30 miles and get there after the current has turned.

I could go on at length, but everyone here understands this. Everyone
except booby, of course.

BTW, We only left the dock 7 times last summer: Twice for daysails,
twice for overnights anchored in the harbor, and three times for 2
week trips. We powered and motorsailed a fair amount, but more than
half of the longer passages were under sail alone. So how often has
booby done a 50 mile spinnaker run?


Capt. Rob wrote:
if
we're doing under 5 knots we're likely to fire up the engine.


Nuff said. Jeff, you're in another world, basically a powerboating one.
I can't believe anyone would post such a thing, especially here.

RB
35s5

Dolphins!
 

This little fellow came to visit daily while we were at anchor in
Chamela Bay last season.

http://www.sailinglinks.com/images/B...%20Flipper.jpg

Lady B.
www.sailinglinks.com

Dolphins!
 

Why not just accept it and spend 3-4 hours working out of the harbor?



Total bull****. Too late to change what you posted, Jeff. You said you
usually start the engines when you're mot making 5 knots. I could care
less what you say from here on. Claim you're cruising with time
committments or whatever. You can try to make this about our easy going
day sails and short trips. I don't care. We don't run the engine. It's
against the very fabric of why we're out there for an hour, 5 hours or
a 3 day weekend trip.
You're full of ****. Some of the folks will look the other way, but you
and I know you've been exposed...and I suspect everyone does. You run
the engine when making less than 5 knots!

Powerboater!

RB

Dolphins!
 

"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
oups.com...
..

Sound is clean, but the base is contaminated. No one has ever been
injured by swimming in these waters. Still, I know lots
of people who eat what they catch here and no one is glowing or getting
sick.

RB


Pathogens are entering the Sound's waters due to the use of obsolescent
sewer systems. These older systems were designed to let rainwater runoff
flow through the same pipes as contaminated sewage. During mild periods of
precipitation, the rainwater and sewage remain separated due to a dividing
wall inside the pipes. To accommodate a surge of rainwater during periods
of heavy precipitation, the engineers included a gap at the top of the
dividing wall. This allowed overflowing rainwater to flow through both
sides of the pipe at once. This causes the rainwater to come in contact
with untreated human sewage. The contaminated rainwater bypasses treatment
and is dumped into Long Island Sound. These combined sewer overflow systems
are currently in use in eight cities around Long Island Sound: New York
City, Norwalk, Jewett City, Derby, Norwich, Shelton, Bridgeport, and New
Haven. Other Sources of pathogens are sewage treatment plant malfunctions,
unmonitored (illegal) connections to sewers, and sewage discharges from
ships in the sound.

The presence of pathogens in Long Island Sound presents a serious health
risk to humans exposed to them through the ingestion of improperly cooked,
contaminated shellfish or by bathing in contaminated waters. Exposure can
cause serious diseases such as salmonellosis and hepatitus A. Contamination
alerts diminish the regional economy by damaging the public's opinion of the
Sound's resources. Closings of beaches and shell fishing areas are results
of pathogen contamination (see figure 5).

http://oceanworld.tamu.edu/students/...land_sound.htm

From 1986 to 1990, the Management Conference identified 10 beaches that were
chronically closed (defined as closed for at least three days per year for
at least three of the five years) to swimmers due to pathogen contamination.
The chronically closed beaches, in order of severity, were Scudder Park,
Gold Star Battalion, Mamaroneck Area, Huntington Beach Community, Hempstead
Harbor Area, Centerport Yacht Club, Fleets Cove, and Mamaroneck Beach Cabana
and Yacht Club in New York and the beaches in the Norwalk and Milford areas
of Connecticut.

http://www.epa.gov/region01/eco/lis/ccmp/patho.html

Dolphins!
 

Closings of beaches and shell fishing areas are results
of pathogen contamination (see figure 5).


Thanks for making my point, Bob. BEACHES have levels due to ground
contamination retention. This is not found in deeper water where we
swim. These waters are exchanged daily.
Sorry, you can't google your way around it.

RB
35s5...a better boat
NY

Dolphins!
 

"Capt. Rob" wrote:

Why not just accept it and spend 3-4 hours working out of the harbor?


Total bull****.

Better back of Jeff, I thinks she's gonna blow soon!

Cheers
Martin

Dolphins!
 

"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
oups.com...
Closings of beaches and shell fishing areas are results
of pathogen contamination (see figure 5).


Thanks for making my point, Bob. BEACHES have levels due to ground
contamination retention. This is not found in deeper water where we
swim. These waters are exchanged daily.
Sorry, you can't google your way around it.

RB
35s5...a better boat
NY

Aaahahahahahahahahahaaa!!!!!!

If the pollution is all on the bottom, guess which way it flows?

http://smig.usgs.gov/SMIG/features_0900/li_sound.html

The longitudinal salinity and associated density gradient that exists
throughout the year drives an estuarine circulation, where water flows
eastward near the surface and westward near the bottom (Riley, 1956; Wilson,
1976). Using data from 28 current meter moorings located 2 m above the
bottom, Gordon and Pilbeam (1975) calculated an average westward bottom flow
of about 5-10 cm/s.

Looks like the crap on the bottom flows westward. Toward City Island!

Dolphins!
 

I'm not changing what I said, only pointing out what's obvious to
everyone else. Almost all of my sailing is long enough to be
concerned about arrival times. A 50 mile trip to Ptown (my shortest
this year) will be 10 hours or more if you can only make 5 knots. If
the speed goes down to 4 knots, it becomes over 12 hours. In fact,
the first time I sailed there was in a small boat with no engine, so
it was planned as an overnight. Now when I leave I know I can pick
an arrival time before dark. Of course, if the wind is favorable, as
it was both ways this year, we can average 8 to 9 knots under sail and
do the 50 miles in 6 hours.

You wouldn't even make the trip - you'd still be home with your A/C
plugged in.

Landlubber!

P.S. I know you've made one nightsail, but I doubt you'll be doing
much of that with a child on board.


Capt. Rob wrote:
Why not just accept it and spend 3-4 hours working out of the harbor?


Total bull****. Too late to change what you posted, Jeff. You said you
usually start the engines when you're mot making 5 knots. I could care
less what you say from here on. Claim you're cruising with time
committments or whatever. You can try to make this about our easy going
day sails and short trips. I don't care. We don't run the engine. It's
against the very fabric of why we're out there for an hour, 5 hours or
a 3 day weekend trip.
You're full of ****. Some of the folks will look the other way, but you
and I know you've been exposed...and I suspect everyone does. You run
the engine when making less than 5 knots!

Powerboater!

RB

Dolphins!
 

"Capt. Rob" wrote in message n

Wrong Mooron. I posted the dictionary definition.


Do not dispute this with me Bob... you are way out of your league here. This
discussion encompasses a disipline with which I make my living and am well
respected for my knowledge in such matters.

No amount of "flushing" can remove the type of dumping that's occured.
This does not change the fact that the majority of the contamination
effects the base of the sound and not the water contained in it. That
water circulates and is exchanged on a regular basis. The water of the
Sound is clean, but the base is contaminated. No one has ever been
injured by swimming in these waters. I don't eat seafood from this area
because the ecological damage might extend that far. Still, I know lots
of people who eat what they catch here and no one is glowing or getting
sick.

You are very mistaken in that Bob... suspended particulate matter
contributing to such an overwhelming amount of sedimentation is proof the
water body is polluted. That's a fact.

CM

Dolphins!
 

"Capt. Rob" wrote in message

Thanks for making my point, Bob. BEACHES have levels due to ground
contamination retention. This is not found in deeper water where we
swim. These waters are exchanged daily.

That is a totally false and misleading statement Robert. The contamination
will be "sealed" with depth and reduction of surge while it will be exposed
and renewed at the water's edge due to turbulence and replenishing from the
sedimentation occurring at depth which is subject to current and tidal
action. In other words... the sediment from the deeper portions feeds the
pollution at the beach.

It is _not_ safe to swim in contaminated water. Think of it as a very large
sewage lagoon.

CM

Dolphins!
 

Its still in the "how's this for a plan?" stage. I'm not sure our 10
year old is ready for a 3 summers in the boonies commitment quite yet.
Of course, she's about ready for sleep-away camp. And with the
money we'll save on marina fees we'll be able to afford camp!

One gotcha is the possibility of getting hit with import duties on the
boat if we have it in Canada for 3 years. I'm hoping the fact that it
was built in Whitby will make it exempt. Otherwise we may have to
have "necessary repairs" performed over the two winters.

But one way or t'other, we're hoping to get to Nova Scotia in the next
few years - its the one place we've dreamed about that we haven't seen.

Capt.Mooron wrote:
Give me a head's up as to when you plan on passing by Jeff..... It would be
great to meet up with you. Sydney wouldn't be my first pick of haul-outs....
try the Bras'Or Lakes.

BTW - it's Cape Breton Island... and seriously take in the Highlands
National Park and Cabot Trail.

CM



"Jeff" wrote in message
A friend returned from wintering in Newfoundland (!) and got me thinking:
If we sailed around Nova Scotia one summer we could leave the boat around
Cape Brenton or maybe in Sydney for the winter. The next year we could
hop over to Newfoundland for a summer, and them return to Sydney. The
third summer perhaps go up the St. Lawrence and through Lake Champlain to
return. How's that sound for a plan?

Here's some of my friend's pics of Newfoundland:
http://liveaboard.sv-moonshadow.com/...004/index.html
and their sailing site:
http://liveaboard.sv-moonshadow.com/mnshdw.htm

Dolphins!
 

"Bob Crantz" wrote:
More Brilliance from Mooron!

He's a brilliant man...are you just know noticing?

LP

Dolphins!
 

"Capt.Mooron" wrote...

Certainly do not let your child come in frequent contact with
the
water there. The effects will not be noticed for many years...
but they will
be noticed eventually.


Brain damage like the old man?

SBV

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Cool pic! Did you feed him anything?
I like feeding the ducks while at anchor, but they say it's not
really good for the ducks.

Scotty


"ladysailor" wrote in message
oups.com...
This little fellow came to visit daily while we were at anchor
in
Chamela Bay last season.

http://www.sailinglinks.com/images/B...%20Flipper.jpg

Lady B.
www.sailinglinks.com

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Hey Guys;

Lack of knowledge has never,ever bothered Nutsy. What he doesn't know,
he'll invent something to enhance his stupidity and call himself a
winner and everyone else "Busted" This will increase one and all to
jump on his case, which increase his troll. This is his goal. His win,
win technique. He keeps his own score his own way. ASA be damned as long
as he isn't ignored.

He is a winner HIS WAY!

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In article MY7af.96259$Io.28234@clgrps13, Capt.Mooron
wrote:

"Capt. Rob" wrote in message n

Wrong Mooron. I posted the dictionary definition.


Do not dispute this with me Bob... you are way out of your league here. This
discussion encompasses a disipline with which I make my living and am well
respected for my knowledge in such matters.

No amount of "flushing" can remove the type of dumping that's occured.
This does not change the fact that the majority of the contamination
effects the base of the sound and not the water contained in it. That
water circulates and is exchanged on a regular basis. The water of the
Sound is clean, but the base is contaminated. No one has ever been
injured by swimming in these waters. I don't eat seafood from this area
because the ecological damage might extend that far. Still, I know lots
of people who eat what they catch here and no one is glowing or getting
sick.

You are very mistaken in that Bob... suspended particulate matter
contributing to such an overwhelming amount of sedimentation is proof the
water body is polluted. That's a fact.

Quite correct. I just did a quick lookup in Periera's 'Land Use and
Water Resources' to refresh my memory.

What would Bob know about geomorphology or the water cycle? Zip.

PDW

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This is his goal. His win,
win technique. He keeps his own score his own way. ASA be damned as
long
as he isn't ignored.

Quite right, Thom. But most of the folks here have been "trained" by me
and they simply can't resist responding to my posts, no matter how
obvious they are. They aren't my rules, because Neal and others were
doing it before me. When I 1st came here I fought with Neal and sided
with the "good" sailors.
Boy was that boring! This is far more fun! None of you can be sure of
anything, not even of the boats I sail or where. And yet I OWN this
group lock, stock and barrel. Frankly, Thom, you may be old and wise
enough to see it clearly, but this has not made you immune. That's even
more amusing because we've conversed off this group and you have a
grasp of this act, yet you're still willing to play the game. Why? Do
you feel these idiots require your support? They'll never learn, Thom.
And we're talking about 7 or 8 people that I tease and play with...not
exactly something that will have me recorded among the classic villains
of history.
BTW, Bart and I have spoken on the phone. He's a nice guy. The act
drops for real life....but this isn't real life, Thom. And Yoda help
you if you think it is.

Robert B
Beneteau 35s5
NY

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"Capt. Rob" wrote
100% wrong. The bottom conditions of the Sound are quite unique and
specific after thousands of years. It's nothing at all like the bottom
of a septic tank. Of course it helps if you actually know what "silt"
is. You clearly don't. Quite simply...

1 : loose sedimentary material with rock particles usually -uf,1-
millimeter or less in diameter.

That's exactly what you'll find in the bottom of a septic tank and must be
removed periodicallty. You clearly know nothing about septic tanks else
you'd know the bottom of the LIS isn't as unique as you'd like to believe.

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That's exactly what you'll find in the bottom of a septic tank and must
be
removed periodicallty. You clearly know nothing about septic tanks else

you'd know the bottom of the LIS isn't as unique as you'd like to
believe.


It's amazing that you'd even think that the compunds are the same. They
simply aren't. Not even close.

RB
35s5...the best performing boat here!

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Scotty wrote:

Cool pic! Did you feed him anything?

Thanks, it's one of my favorite pictures. Our little dog Buddy is the
first to alert us that they have arrived if we are down below. He use
to bark at them but now he just looks at them with fascination. Guess
he's confident they aren't coming aboard.

No, we don't need to throw anything over for him to eat. He comes over
to rub on the anchor chain and eat the little fishes hanging out in the
shade of the boat. He is one of three that live in the bay and we can
always count on them to stop by for a visit when we are at anchor
there.

Barb
www.sailinglinks.com

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"Capt. Rob" wrote in message

It's amazing that you'd even think that the compunds are the same. They
simply aren't. Not even close.

You are correct... the compounds in the sound are much more toxic since
there is no regulation as to what is put through the system [ie: medical
waste, dangerous chemicals, etc].... and there is no available reaction to
quickly breakdown the solids like in a septic tank due to the sedimentation
preventing oxygen from reaching the lower strata of sedimentation.

CM

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You are correct... the compounds in the sound are much more toxic since

there is no regulation


That may very well be true, but the fact remains that I am correct as
you stated.
Thanks!


RB
35s5...the faster, better boat...and more fun!

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"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
oups.com...
You are correct... the compounds in the sound are much more toxic since

there is no regulation


That may very well be true, but the fact remains that I am correct as
you stated.
Thanks!

Heh No Problem Bob...... the toxicity of the LIS exceeds any septic
system..... of course you are correct.


Hopefully you'll make it up this way and I'll show you what the ocean looks
like.

CM