The Attributes of an Outstanding Skipper
 

Joe wrote:
Both Doug and Bart are wrong on this one.........

No, we're not.

... courage is very
important trait for an "outstanding skipper".


I would never want to go sailing with an outstandingly brave skipper. In
fact, a skipper who makes declarations that he's not afraid, or that
the crew should not be afraid, etc etc, is exactly the kind of macho
butt head who is dangerous on the water. The kind of skipper who is
intent on proving how brave he is, and (just for example) would refuse
to 'run away' from a Cat 5 hurricane.

JL hit the nail on the head.

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

The Attributes of an Outstanding Skipper
 

"Scotty" wrote:

"Seahag" wrote:

"Scotty" wrote:

"Bart Senior" .@. wrote:
What are the attributes of an outstanding skipper?

Allowing the 'crew' to sunbathe on the foredeck while
you
handle
the boat.

Allowing the crew to work the helm and sails while I go
below to
eat fried chicken.


Take a good hard look at yourself, and tell me which
attributes you feel need improvement in yourself.


Need to lose weight.



Tell me what you plan to do to effect such
improvements.


Buy larger clothes.


Heehee! Allowing the crew to smoke downwind is nice
too...


That wasn't ''allowed'', that was MUTINY !


At least the dog didn't barf in the cockpit!

Seahag

The Attributes of an Outstanding Skipper
 

Doug,

Having worked beside and for 100's of skippers I can tell you when the
**** hit the fans having courage can save you and your crews life. And
a coward can get you all killed.

We were talking about "outstanding Skippers" not just good or OK
skippers or average weekend trawler Captn's

Jolly Rogers is right... that sometimes the bravest thing to do is
refuse to do the job, but he is dead wrong when he left out batteling
the elements. Many times Ive seen "Outstanding Skippers " as you guys
would call them fall into the weekend warrior status due to not have
the courage to tackle the task at hand.

Has nothing to do with going out and acting macho IMO.

And I would not sail with anyone who makes declarations that he's never
afraid. I do not like liars. And if he's never been afraid at sea, then
he hasen't been to sea long enough to know sqwat .....and is no one I
would trust.

The most courage you can see is a man or woman doing his or her job
despite the fear.
Thats what makes them "Outstanding" IMO.

Joe

The Attributes of an Outstanding Skipper
 

"Joe" wrote in message oups.com...
| Doug,
|
| Having worked beside and for 100's of skippers I can tell you when the
| **** hit the fans having courage can save you and your crews life. And
| a coward can get you all killed.
|
| We were talking about "outstanding Skippers" not just good or OK
| skippers or average weekend trawler Captn's
|
| Jolly Rogers is right... that sometimes the bravest thing to do is
| refuse to do the job, but he is dead wrong when he left out batteling
| the elements. Many times Ive seen "Outstanding Skippers " as you guys
| would call them fall into the weekend warrior status due to not have
| the courage to tackle the task at hand.
|
| Has nothing to do with going out and acting macho IMO.
|
| And I would not sail with anyone who makes declarations that he's never
| afraid. I do not like liars. And if he's never been afraid at sea, then
| he hasen't been to sea long enough to know sqwat .....and is no one I
| would trust.
|
| The most courage you can see is a man or woman doing his or her job
| despite the fear.
| Thats what makes them "Outstanding" IMO.
|
| Joe
|

But, is it not generally understood that fear causes degradation in clear
thinking? And is not clear thinking of paramount importance in any emergency?

CN

The Attributes of an Outstanding Skipper
 

Joe wrote:

Doug,

Having worked beside and for 100's of skippers I can tell you when the
**** hit the fans having courage can save you and your crews life. And
a coward can get you all killed.


???

How about not being there in the first place?

Any skipper who deliberately exposes his vessel & crew to unnecessary
danger because he is "brave" is a fool and a hazard.


We were talking about "outstanding Skippers" not just good or OK
skippers or average weekend trawler Captn's


Yes we were.


Jolly Rogers is right... that sometimes the bravest thing to do is
refuse to do the job, but he is dead wrong when he left out batteling
the elements. Many times Ive seen "Outstanding Skippers " as you guys
would call them fall into the weekend warrior status due to not have
the courage to tackle the task at hand.


Like what?


Has nothing to do with going out and acting macho IMO.

And I would not sail with anyone who makes declarations that he's never
afraid. I do not like liars. And if he's never been afraid at sea, then
he hasen't been to sea long enough to know sqwat .....and is no one I
would trust.


Agreed.


The most courage you can see is a man or woman doing his or her job
despite the fear.
Thats what makes them "Outstanding" IMO.


Agreed again.

Now please explain how a skipper who avoids danger, in other words a
"coward" in your terms, can get his crew killed.

DSK

The Attributes of an Outstanding Skipper
 

My point exactly.

If they have courage they can overcome the fear and do what is needed
to be done.
Thats the difference between skippers and outstanding skippers.

Anyone one top of a 60 foot mast offshore in a storm alone better be
skeered enough for the adrieline to kick in and provide super human
strength needed :0).

A person without courage may decide it is safer to hope the sail
shreads and might hide below.

Joe

The Attributes of an Outstanding Skipper
 

"Seahag" wrote


Heehee! Allowing the crew to smoke downwind is nice
too...


That wasn't ''allowed'', that was MUTINY !


At least the dog didn't barf in the cockpit!


this time.

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Joe wrote:
Doug,

Having worked beside and for 100's of skippers I can tell you when the
**** hit the fans having courage can save you and your crews life. And
a coward can get you all killed.



???

How about not being there in the first place?

How about not having a choice? The sea can change in a heartbeat Doug.
You should know that.


Any skipper who deliberately exposes his vessel & crew to unnecessary
danger because he is "brave" is a fool and a hazard.

Yes he is.

A coward may always opt out .....and say it is not necessary that it is
just to dangerious.

A person with courage will say it is necessary and do what is needed.
If he is an "outstanding" skipper he will get the job done and not one
will be hurt.



We were talking about "outstanding Skippers" not just good or OK
skippers or average weekend trawler Captn's


Yes we were.


Jolly Rogers is right... that sometimes the bravest thing to do is
refuse to do the job, but he is dead wrong when he left out batteling
the elements. Many times Ive seen "Outstanding Skippers " as you guys
would call them fall into the weekend warrior status due to not have
the courage to tackle the task at hand.


Like what?

To refuse a load and get everyone fired, takes courage IMO.

Out racing on a 62 pearson and the owner had a tape drive foresail on
one of those dangerious roll up furlers.

A tape delaminted and tangled the fore sail making it stuck half way
open. He bitched and wined and was ready to throw in the towel because
he thought it was just way to dangerious to shimmy up 15 feet with a
knife and cut the tape fouling things up. I shimmied up and cut it
without a problem after taking 10 min to convince him, we lost the race
btw.

One time while working for Mobil we were in route to a rig offshore
rig when another companies rig hit a poison gas pocket, no helos would
land, The SB boat in the area refused to move in but my skipper moved
in offloaded everyone. I thought it took alot of courage and we were
all scared. They say if you smell this gas your dead.

Had he asked the corporate office for permission the bean counters
would of freaked and shut it down, had he hesitated the guys on the rig
would of all died if the wind shifted.




Now please explain how a skipper who avoids danger, in other words a
"coward" in your terms, can get his crew killed.

I never said a person who avoids danger is a coward,................
you did.

Joe

DSK

Redcloud
 

Joe, how was your trip?

Scotty


"Joe" wrote in message
oups.com...
Doug,

Having worked beside and for 100's of skippers I can tell you
when the
**** hit the fans having courage can save you and your crews
life. And
a coward can get you all killed.

We were talking about "outstanding Skippers" not just good or
OK
skippers or average weekend trawler Captn's

Jolly Rogers is right... that sometimes the bravest thing to do
is
refuse to do the job, but he is dead wrong when he left out
batteling
the elements. Many times Ive seen "Outstanding Skippers " as
you guys
would call them fall into the weekend warrior status due to not
have
the courage to tackle the task at hand.

Has nothing to do with going out and acting macho IMO.

And I would not sail with anyone who makes declarations that
he's never
afraid. I do not like liars. And if he's never been afraid at
sea, then
he hasen't been to sea long enough to know sqwat .....and is no
one I
would trust.

The most courage you can see is a man or woman doing his or her
job
despite the fear.
Thats what makes them "Outstanding" IMO.

Joe

Redcloud
 

Great. Have lots of fish is the freezer. Perfect weather (5-15 knots
2-3 ft seas) cept we had one wicked front move thru, but we found a
nice backdown bouy to ride it out on. Lots of weird stuff in the flosum
lines, made great cover for the dolphin and lings, lots of lawn chairs
and lumber,.... and a poly pro line that I had to cut out of the prop.
Spent the first few days about 110 miles SSE of Galveston at my
favorite fishing spot, then went into Freeport for a Halloween party,
had a perfect night sail coming back up the coast... the darkest sky
you ever seen with so many shooting stars we lost count. Spent a night
anchored off redfish island and skipper had a blast being free to run.
Got in last night around 22:00...


Did I miss any thing here?
Whats this 35.5 blister problems i hear about?

Joe