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Daedalus and Icarus.

I agree with you Doug about courage. If you plan ahead
how much courage is needed? If you know what you
are doing and have actions for any given situation, then
fear is not a problem.

You need courage to do something you know is
risky. Like sailing solo in the artic in locations where
the Coast Guard does not do rescues. Hardly an attribute
of an outstanding skipper.

Daedalus would be foresight and thinking ahead.

Icarus
"DSK" wrote in message
. ..
jlrogers wrote:

In no particular order:

Good Judgement
Experience
Knowledge
Ability
Empathy
Courage


Does "Good Judgement" include foresight & the ability to keep several
moves ahead of the boat? IMHO that's one of the most important
characteristics of a skipper.

Empathy... yes, especially as some other pointed out, the empathy to put
crews to work at tasks appropriate to their skill.

Courage is I think over rated in a sailor. Usually any occasion calling
for bravery is due to a lack of foresight, judgement, knowledge, etc etc.

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

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You keep bringing up gay-related subjects. You equate someone saying
something nice about another guy as something gay.

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"Captain Joe Redcloud" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 30 Oct 2005 10:29:22 -0800, "Capt. JG"
wrote:

Sounds like you're the one in love with men. You seem to have a corner on
that market. Of course, you're a bit angry about it, but that's to be
expected by someone who's been in the closet for so long. Also, it seems
like you're the expert when it comes to being gay, since you know so many
of
the details.

Please explains exactly how "I" sound like the one who is in love with
men.

You are off the deep end, Jonny, but it may be due to your infatuation
with
Connie, who you are rapsodizing over in public. Here's your latest:

Bart is twice the man and three times the sailor that you dream of
becoming.


Sounds like you are full to the brim with thoughts of Connie Senior.


Captain Joe Redcloud
Mohnton PA

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"Capt. JG" wrote in message
...
You keep bringing up gay-related subjects. You equate someone saying
something nice about another guy as something gay.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

Obviously homophobic, and we all know what that means.

John Cairns

"Captain Joe Redcloud" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 30 Oct 2005 10:29:22 -0800, "Capt. JG"
wrote:

Sounds like you're the one in love with men. You seem to have a corner on
that market. Of course, you're a bit angry about it, but that's to be
expected by someone who's been in the closet for so long. Also, it seems
like you're the expert when it comes to being gay, since you know so many
of
the details.

Please explains exactly how "I" sound like the one who is in love with
men.

You are off the deep end, Jonny, but it may be due to your infatuation
with
Connie, who you are rapsodizing over in public. Here's your latest:

Bart is twice the man and three times the sailor that you dream of
becoming.


Sounds like you are full to the brim with thoughts of Connie Senior.


Captain Joe Redcloud
Mohnton PA

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"Captain Joe Redcloud" wrote in message

Anyone who has been on the Mystic River can tell that this is a phony
story.
It's loaded with errors that make it impossible for it to be true.

Now _This_ .....is Classic JAX!!!!!!

CM

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"Bart Senior" .@. wrote in message

Good one CM. I'm still laughing. Do you have
any more of these stories? Tell us more...

This next adventure was more of a test of another Captain. We had just
completed sea trials on a boat my buddy was buying... a 20ft Bayliner Trophy
cuddy cabin walk-about.... the deal was done and we were on our way with the
Trophy thru the same mooring field enroute to the ramp.

Anyway..... I saw Caroline aboard her 24 ft sailboat having drinks with
some people at their mooring. I headed towards her. At about the same
instance I spotted an empty can of beer in the mesh bag beside me.....

I grabbed the beer can waving it back and forth in front of me and started
yelling & slurring at her to get out of my way while aiming directly at her
vessel. Panic on her part ensued as she clambered for the bow and pointed to
her mooring painter screaming at me to stop. I of course laid onto the horn
and screamed I'd run her down if she didn't get out of my way! She pointed
at her guests ... one of whom was in a massive shoulder cast and brace. She
valiantly kept screaming that she was on a moored vessel and couldn't
move.... her arms flailing wildly. They were scrambling for their dinghy
when I approached close and turned the Trophy smartly around laughing!

After their adrenaline rush subsided.... we took them all for a run in the
Trophy and over a brew Caroline assured me she thought some drunken power
boater was going to T-Bone her boat! The geologist in the cast had just been
mauled by a bear the week before.!! He was considering if he should continue
working up north.... he's still there.

What would you have done in her place...... I would have used the Flare
Gun! :-)

CM

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"Captain Joe Redcloud" wrote in message

So describe the Mystic river in detail, Guy. I can, because I go there a
few
times a year. Connie the pretender has either never been there, or he had
no
idea where he wAS. His story was a complete fabrication, like most or all
of
yours.

Sheesh..... I didn't mean to push your buttons so hard there Jax! :-)

Bwahahahahahahahaaaa....

CM

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Capt.Mooron wrote:
This next adventure was more of a test of another Captain. We had just
completed sea trials on a boat my buddy was buying... a 20ft Bayliner Trophy
cuddy cabin walk-about.... the deal was done and we were on our way with the
Trophy thru the same mooring field enroute to the ramp.

Anyway..... I saw Caroline aboard her 24 ft sailboat having drinks with
some people at their mooring. I headed towards her. At about the same
instance I spotted an empty can of beer in the mesh bag beside me.....

I grabbed the beer can waving it back and forth in front of me and started
yelling & slurring at her to get out of my way while aiming directly at her
vessel. Panic on her part ensued as she clambered for the bow and pointed to
her mooring painter screaming at me to stop. I of course laid onto the horn
and screamed I'd run her down if she didn't get out of my way! She pointed
at her guests ... one of whom was in a massive shoulder cast and brace. She
valiantly kept screaming that she was on a moored vessel and couldn't
move.... her arms flailing wildly. They were scrambling for their dinghy
when I approached close and turned the Trophy smartly around laughing!

After their adrenaline rush subsided.... we took them all for a run in the
Trophy and over a brew Caroline assured me she thought some drunken power
boater was going to T-Bone her boat! The geologist in the cast had just been
mauled by a bear the week before.!! He was considering if he should continue
working up north.... he's still there.

What would you have done in her place...... I would have used the Flare
Gun! :-)


Heck with the flare gun, I'd have pulled out the trusty 30-06 and
disabled your engine.

OTOH in our present boat, we don't worry about Bayliners or drunk
fishermen ramming us, they'd come out in 2nd place and know it.

DSK

DSK

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Yup, he's clearly homophobic. Thanks for the clarification John. I'm sure
it's something he and his psychologist can figure out.

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"Captain Joe Redcloud" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 31 Oct 2005 01:47:59 GMT, "John Cairns"
wrote:


"Capt. JG" wrote in message
...
You keep bringing up gay-related subjects. You equate someone saying
something nice about another guy as something gay.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

Obviously homophobic, and we all know what that means.

John Cairns


I'm not homophobic in the least. I have just found that Jonny is an easy
target
when you push certain buttons. He's an easy mark


Captain Joe Redcloud
Mohnton PA

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Obviously you haven't been there Bill. It's more
than 2 miles from your home port. You can't get
a good perspective from your Datsun B210.

Nothing fabricated about it. Anyone who HAS been
there, has seen that over-crowded mooring field and
studied the chart in detail to find a place to anchor.

Anyone [with a brain] can study a chart and figure
out what to do in the typical westerly winds when
departing south of the swing bridge.

"Capt.Mooron" wrote

"Captain Joe Redcloud" wrote in message

So describe the Mystic river in detail, Guy. I can, because I go there a
few
times a year. Connie the pretender has either never been there, or he
had
no
idea where he wAS. His story was a complete fabrication, like most or
all
of yours.

Sheesh..... I didn't mean to push your buttons so hard there Jax! :-)

Bwahahahahahahahaaaa....

CM

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Knowing you, I'd be certain you'd been drinking
like a fish, and pulled out my camera to document
the event while giving you repeated "eight short blast"
signals with an air horn. Fortunately my camera has
a movie mode with audeo.

BTW, after sailing today, two of the guys pulled out
guitars and started playing music, and three more
gals showed up, one with food! I took a couple of
video's of the evening. They came out rather well
with interesting boats cruising by in the background.


"Capt.Mooron" wrote

"Bart Senior" .@. wrote in message

Good one CM. I'm still laughing. Do you have
any more of these stories? Tell us more...

This next adventure was more of a test of another Captain. We had just
completed sea trials on a boat my buddy was buying... a 20ft Bayliner
Trophy
cuddy cabin walk-about.... the deal was done and we were on our way with
the
Trophy thru the same mooring field enroute to the ramp.

Anyway..... I saw Caroline aboard her 24 ft sailboat having drinks with
some people at their mooring. I headed towards her. At about the same
instance I spotted an empty can of beer in the mesh bag beside me.....

I grabbed the beer can waving it back and forth in front of me and started
yelling & slurring at her to get out of my way while aiming directly at
her
vessel. Panic on her part ensued as she clambered for the bow and pointed
to
her mooring painter screaming at me to stop. I of course laid onto the
horn
and screamed I'd run her down if she didn't get out of my way! She pointed
at her guests ... one of whom was in a massive shoulder cast and brace.
She
valiantly kept screaming that she was on a moored vessel and couldn't
move.... her arms flailing wildly. They were scrambling for their dinghy
when I approached close and turned the Trophy smartly around laughing!

After their adrenaline rush subsided.... we took them all for a run in the
Trophy and over a brew Caroline assured me she thought some drunken power
boater was going to T-Bone her boat! The geologist in the cast had just
been
mauled by a bear the week before.!! He was considering if he should
continue
working up north.... he's still there.

What would you have done in her place...... I would have used the Flare
Gun! :-)

CM

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How thick is the glass on your Trawler Doug?

Is it thick enough to be bullet proof?

"DSK" wrote

OTOH in our present boat, we don't worry about Bayliners or drunk
fishermen ramming us, they'd come out in 2nd place and know it.

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Bart Senior wrote:
How thick is the glass on your Trawler Doug?


About 3/4" most places. I think it's resin-rich though, with a lot of mat.

Is it thick enough to be bullet proof?


I think so, up to one of the larger magnum rifles at least. But I
wouldn't want to put it to the test.

DSK

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On Sun, 30 Oct 2005 19:33:43 -0500, DSK wrote:

says...
..... The skipper saw everyone quitting and figured all
he had to do to win was finish. And finish we did at 3AM (race
started at 1PM. No committee boat but his understanding is since
there was no time limit on the race he just had to cross on the right
side of the sea buoy that made up one half of the line.


Umm, did they actually award this genius a finish time for doing this?

My understanding (from my brother-in-law) they gave him the cup. I
never saw or talked to him again. This all happened in the late
seventies.



While bobbing around out there, this fool had us doing all kinds of
idiotic things to get the boat moving. For instance he had read in a
dead calm if you ease forward and then run briskly aft you will make
the boat move. He actually wanted us to do that.

John Cairns wrote:
IINM, that sort of thing is illegal under the rules of racing.


Not only is it illegal, it's very counterproductive *unless* the crew
practices the moves to get some actual measurable propulsive effort. The
best way to get the boat moving & keep the boat moving in a drifter is
to have the sails trimmed properly and keep everything absolutely still.

One of the benefits of regualr racing is that you get a chance to
actually try out rocking, pumping, sculling, etc etc, when there are
other boats next to you, and see if your technique helps the boat move
faster. Then you watch other doing it, sometimes there are guys who are
quite good at it. You work at improving, until you can make the boat
move that way.



Most race skippers will provision their boats for the crew. He did
not and told us when we found out before the race that we did not have
time to get some food and beer.


I'd have left the boat right then. Dehydration is not a joke.


The only reason I didn't pitch him overboard was because of the
Brother in Law.


Dave Doe wrote:
LOL - great post mate!

PS: surely there *would* have been a time limit, or at least, one should
have been imposed during the race when the wind dropped, and the course
shortened. Was a radio not a requirement?


Apparently not.

DSK

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There is something to be said for a bullet proof
boat. It would be nice to have one that wouild
stand up to a .223 assault rifle calibre.

What is your fuel capacity and range?


"DSK" wrote in message
...
Bart Senior wrote:
How thick is the glass on your Trawler Doug?


About 3/4" most places. I think it's resin-rich though, with a lot of mat.

Is it thick enough to be bullet proof?


I think so, up to one of the larger magnum rifles at least. But I
wouldn't want to put it to the test.

DSK

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I can only think of one person I wanted to toss
overboard, and two I wanted to shove off the
dock.

Restraint is an admirable quality.

I was telling some people about one fellow who
****ed me off and when they heard the name, they
all laughed because they knew him. Can you imagine
having that notorious a reputation?

"Frank Boettcher" wrote

The only reason I didn't pitch him overboard was because of the
Brother in Law.

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Daedalus would be foresight and thinking ahead.


No, I don't think so. Daedalus made the boy a set of wings held together
with wax but did not evaluate Icarus' lack of common sense and so Icarus
flew too close to the sun, the wax melted and he paid the price. So
Daedalus failed to think ahead at all.

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Bart Senior wrote:

There is something to be said for a bullet proof
boat. It would be nice to have one that wouild
stand up to a .223 assault rifle calibre.


Well, Kevlar isn't that expensive. Actually a heavy gage Dynel laid up w
epoxy would probably be effective at lower cost. You could put it over
key parts of the boat... I'm thinkin about the forefoot, keep those
shipping container worries to a minimum.

Polyester & glass layups tend to not have great impact resistance, but
there are laminates that do much better.

What is your fuel capacity and range?


350 gal, I figure we've got 1200nm (2gph @ 7.5k) easy and probably 1600
if we go slow. I am going to add some fuel capacity by putting bladder
tanks under the aft cabin. I think we can add another 150 gal that way.

DSK

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I spoke to a fellow that has used it, and he
told me that sanding kevlar leaves fibers poking
out of the surface. He recommended either
fairing it, or laying it up with one layer of glass
on the outer layer for fairing.

Have you used it?


"DSK" wrote

Well, Kevlar isn't that expensive. Actually a heavy gage Dynel laid up w
epoxy would probably be effective at lower cost. You could put it over
key parts of the boat... I'm thinkin about the forefoot, keep those
shipping container worries to a minimum.

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An extra 150 gallons is nice. That's 42% more range.

Very nice.

What material are your tanks?

"DSK" wrote

350 gal, I figure we've got 1200nm (2gph @ 7.5k) easy and probably 1600
if we go slow. I am going to add some fuel capacity by putting bladder
tanks under the aft cabin. I think we can add another 150 gal that way.

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Bart Senior wrote:
I spoke to a fellow that has used it, and he
told me that sanding kevlar leaves fibers poking
out of the surface. He recommended either
fairing it, or laying it up with one layer of glass
on the outer layer for fairing.

Have you used it?


Yes, and your friend was right. There is no way to sand a Kevlar lay-up
smooth. I helped a friend put a layer of Kevlar on the bow of his
catamaran, we used a layer of medium density fairing compound over it
and ther are a few spots that show stubble... you have to look real
close, and after painting on anti-foul it's not visible. I hope no
future owners sands the forefoot(s) (forefeet?) too agressively.

A better method might be to lay a layer of very fine FG cloth over the
Kevlar, or a light type of scrim. Or, if you're building the whole thing
from scratch, put the Kevlar in the middle of the laminate.

I was thinking of using a mix of Kevlar and carbon fiber on the dinghy,
but have decided to go with just CF.

DSK

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Bart Senior wrote:

An extra 150 gallons is nice. That's 42% more range.

Very nice.

What material are your tanks?


Taiwanese "black" iron. This material is a low grade sheet iron, with a
bad reputation for rusting thru. They are also constucted contrary to
good principles... for example, the fuel suction connection is a pipe
nipple welded into the bottom corner, and there are no inspection ports
(and I suspect no baffles). However our tanks are in good shape because
the fill connectors are not over them, the way they are in most
trawlers, so the condensation & deck leaks don't pool on the top of the
tank (the usual spot for rust thru).

If we do have to replace them, I'm planning on sawing off sections of
the tops and putting in a foam rubber blanket to act as padding for
bladder type tanks. These are much better, no slosh, no air surface, no
condesation.

But first, I am definitely putting in a polishing system, with a pump &
manifold that will double as a transfer & stripping system.

DSK

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"DSK" wrote in message
. ..
jlrogers wrote:

In no particular order:

Good Judgement
Experience
Knowledge
Ability
Empathy
Courage


Does "Good Judgement" include foresight & the ability to keep several
moves ahead of the boat? IMHO that's one of the most important
characteristics of a skipper.

Empathy... yes, especially as some other pointed out, the empathy to put
crews to work at tasks appropriate to their skill.

Courage is I think over rated in a sailor. Usually any occasion calling
for bravery is due to a lack of foresight, judgement, knowledge, etc etc.

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

Courgage to do the right thing in spite of the slings and arrows of
passengers, crew, and authority ashore is the bravery to which I refer, not
bravery in battleing the element.

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"Bart Senior" .@. wrote in message ...
Which areas do you think you need to improve?

"jlrogers" wrote

In no particular order:

Good Judgement
Experience
Knowledge
Ability
Empathy
Courage

"Bart Senior" .@. wrote
What are the attributes of an outstanding skipper?

Take a good hard look at yourself, and tell me which
attributes you feel need improvement in yourself.


2, 3, and 4. All of which would lend strength to 1 and 5.

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What do you think it will weigh we completed?

"DSK" wrote

I was thinking of using a mix of Kevlar and carbon fiber on the dinghy,
but have decided to go with just CF.

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Good idea. Do you have a design worked up?

"DSK" wrote

But first, I am definitely putting in a polishing system, with a pump &
manifold that will double as a transfer & stripping system.

polishing... was: The Attributes of an Outstanding Skipper
 

Please pardon me for changing the title, but I think this has wandered
rather far from the original thread.

But first, I am definitely putting in a polishing system, with a pump &
manifold that will double as a transfer & stripping system.



Bart Senior wrote:
Good idea. Do you have a design worked up?


Not really, but I've got a good idea where it's going & how it's to be
laid out. I also have to do a little more research on components, but
the general plan is to use a 10 ~ 15gpm 12V pump & hose rather than hard
piping.

It's surprising that more boats aren't using fuel bladders. They're very
common in industry nowadays, they are very tough & have a number of
advantages IMHO.

DSK

dinghy... was: The Attributes of an Outstanding Skipper
 

Again, this has wandered far from the original subject, please excuse
the title switch.


I was thinking of using a mix of Kevlar and carbon fiber on the dinghy,
but have decided to go with just CF.


Bart Senior wrote:
What do you think it will weigh we completed?


The bare hull should (if my math is right) weight around 12 pounds.
That's without vacuum bagging, which I may experiment with but it looks
like too much of a PITA to save only 2 ~ 3 lbs max. Adding seats, gun'l,
etc etc will probably bring it up to 25 ~ 30 lbs.

This is for a 9' Whitehall style boat, so I'm won't be disappointed if
it comes out at the high end of this range, that's still less than half
what a Walker Bay 8 is (and IMHO they are tippy, ugly, junk... hey at
least they're inexpensive).

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

dinghy... was: The Attributes of an Outstanding Skipper
 

I agree on the Walker Bay boats. Something
about them makes be cringe.

So you don't think your's will be tippy? It is
light, even if wide and with a flat bottom I'd
think it would still be tippy.

"DSK" wrote in message
.. .
Again, this has wandered far from the original subject, please excuse
the title switch.


I was thinking of using a mix of Kevlar and carbon fiber on the dinghy,
but have decided to go with just CF.


Bart Senior wrote:
What do you think it will weigh we completed?


The bare hull should (if my math is right) weight around 12 pounds.
That's without vacuum bagging, which I may experiment with but it looks
like too much of a PITA to save only 2 ~ 3 lbs max. Adding seats, gun'l,
etc etc will probably bring it up to 25 ~ 30 lbs.

This is for a 9' Whitehall style boat, so I'm won't be disappointed if
it comes out at the high end of this range, that's still less than half
what a Walker Bay 8 is (and IMHO they are tippy, ugly, junk... hey at
least they're inexpensive).

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

polishing... was: The Attributes of an Outstanding Skipper
 

Bladders make me nervous. Unless they are
secured with a solid tank, in which case what
do you need a bladder for? Water can be
taken out at the filters, and I tend to keep my
tanks filled so condensation is not a big
concern for me.

"DSK" wrote

But first, I am definitely putting in a polishing system, with a pump &
manifold that will double as a transfer & stripping system.

Not really, but I've got a good idea where it's going & how it's to be
laid out. I also have to do a little more research on components, but
the general plan is to use a 10 ~ 15gpm 12V pump & hose rather than hard
piping.

It's surprising that more boats aren't using fuel bladders. They're very
common in industry nowadays, they are very tough & have a number of
advantages IMHO.

DSK

polishing... was: The Attributes of an Outstanding Skipper
 

Bart Senior wrote:
Bladders make me nervous. Unless they are
secured with a solid tank, in which case what
do you need a bladder for? Water can be
taken out at the filters, and I tend to keep my
tanks filled so condensation is not a big
concern for me.


If you're away from the fuel dock for any long period, then you don't
have the option of keeping the tank full all the time. With our boat, if
we're going to actually use that great range to go anywhere, like out in
the eastern Bahamas, the plan will be to return with around 25% tankage.
And you're up north, where condensation is worse (more cold weather).

We tend to fill up at fishing boat docks, where the fuel is cheaper,
That means going past a lot of pleasure boat marinas and watching the
fuel gage sink for a few days.

The military drops fuel bladders out of airplanes for resupply. Now
*that* would make me nervous, but using one in a boat should be a piece
of cake. The biggest problem is getting the installation right so that
the tank is properly supported, protected against chafe, and the fill,
suction, & vent hoses don't get kinked or twisted.

Another up side is that a bladder tank can be put into an otherwise
unusable void. That's pretty much the situation with the space under our
aft cabin sole.

Regards
Doug King

dinghy... was: The Attributes of an Outstanding Skipper
 

Bart Senior wrote:
I agree on the Walker Bay boats. Something
about them makes be cringe.


The bow is too pointy, they don't have the right sheer, and the stern is
ugly. However, the little wheel in the skeg is a nice touch.


So you don't think your's will be tippy? It is
light, even if wide and with a flat bottom I'd
think it would still be tippy.

Well, tippy is relative. The design does not have a flat bottom, but
rather an elliptical arc that is shallow enough to just let the bilge
ride above the waterline when lightly loaded, or when making waves. The
bilge is relatively wide & firm, not such a great shape for rowing
(rowing shells tend to have narrow hulls & slack bilges, which is why
they are so tippy) but better than a flat bottom & hard chine, and not
noticably worse for rowing (I hope) than the traditional slack-bilge
rowing dinghy because of the reduced wetted surface.

I monkeyed around with a hull plan program for about 6 months, looking
at the various numbers. I got to where the lines plotted to about 90% of
the stability of an inflatable (whereas a Fatty Knees is about 65%) and
the drag pretty much the same as the rowing dink.

The cost will be less than a brand new fiberglass rowing dink, too; but
it will still be a lot more than a Walker Bay or a plywood pram. In all,
I'm pretty eager to see what it comes out like.

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

polishing... was: The Attributes of an Outstanding Skipper
 

What do you think of intergral fiberglass tanks
with baffles and inspection ports? I think they
are the best option.

You could buy structural panels, tab them in on
both sides. Similarly with baffles. Closing off
the top would be easy too and just as easy to
cut in inspection ports--or even cut off completely,
and reglass later, for service.

Another advantage would be you could fair in
the inside so that there is a slope to carry debris
to the drain fitting.

"DSK" wrote

Bart Senior wrote:
Bladders make me nervous. Unless they are
secured with a solid tank, in which case what
do you need a bladder for? Water can be
taken out at the filters, and I tend to keep my
tanks filled so condensation is not a big
concern for me.


If you're away from the fuel dock for any long period, then you don't
have the option of keeping the tank full all the time. With our boat, if
we're going to actually use that great range to go anywhere, like out in
the eastern Bahamas, the plan will be to return with around 25% tankage.
And you're up north, where condensation is worse (more cold weather).

We tend to fill up at fishing boat docks, where the fuel is cheaper,
That means going past a lot of pleasure boat marinas and watching the
fuel gage sink for a few days.

The military drops fuel bladders out of airplanes for resupply. Now
*that* would make me nervous, but using one in a boat should be a piece
of cake. The biggest problem is getting the installation right so that
the tank is properly supported, protected against chafe, and the fill,
suction, & vent hoses don't get kinked or twisted.

Another up side is that a bladder tank can be put into an otherwise
unusable void. That's pretty much the situation with the space under our
aft cabin sole.

Regards
Doug King

dinghy... was: The Attributes of an Outstanding Skipper
 

I like the wheel too. But one friend told me
it was not particularly helpful, but he could not
give me a good reason why not. I saw him use
it once and it seems to work well.

So when are you building this dink? Over the
winter for a winter project?
..
"DSK" wrote
Well, tippy is relative. The design does not have a flat bottom, but
rather an elliptical arc that is shallow enough to just let the bilge
ride above the waterline when lightly loaded, or when making waves. The
bilge is relatively wide & firm, not such a great shape for rowing
(rowing shells tend to have narrow hulls & slack bilges, which is why
they are so tippy) but better than a flat bottom & hard chine, and not
noticably worse for rowing (I hope) than the traditional slack-bilge
rowing dinghy because of the reduced wetted surface.

I monkeyed around with a hull plan program for about 6 months, looking
at the various numbers. I got to where the lines plotted to about 90% of
the stability of an inflatable (whereas a Fatty Knees is about 65%) and
the drag pretty much the same as the rowing dink.

The cost will be less than a brand new fiberglass rowing dink, too; but
it will still be a lot more than a Walker Bay or a plywood pram. In all,
I'm pretty eager to see what it comes out like.

The Attributes of an Outstanding Skipper
 

"Capt.Mooron" wrote

A crack race crew behaves much differently than a cruising
crew. The
expectations of the skipper should match the conditions. There
is no "I" in
team.


but there is an ''I'' in 'sailing.

2 of em!

Scotty

The Attributes of an Outstanding Skipper
 

"Bart Senior" .@. wrote in message
...
What are the attributes of an outstanding skipper?

Allowing the 'crew' to sunbathe on the foredeck while you handle
the boat.

Allowing the crew to work the helm and sails while I go below to
eat fried chicken.


Take a good hard look at yourself, and tell me which
attributes you feel need improvement in yourself.


Need to lose weight.



Tell me what you plan to do to effect such improvements.


Buy larger clothes.

Scotty

The Attributes of an Outstanding Skipper
 

"Scotty" wrote in message but there is an ''I'' in
'sailing.

2 of em!

...and it pays to keep both open!! :-)

CM

polishing fuel
 

Bart Senior wrote:
What do you think of intergral fiberglass tanks
with baffles and inspection ports? I think they
are the best option.


Sure, but they're not really an aftermarket add-on. ;)
And it's not foolproof either, since grids & bulkhead tabbing
occasionally pop loose when the boat is sailed hard (or if your boat was
one of those Monday morning jobs).


You could buy structural panels, tab them in on
both sides. Similarly with baffles. Closing off
the top would be easy too and just as easy to
cut in inspection ports--or even cut off completely,
and reglass later, for service.


Why buy structural panels, I can mold them myself. But this is likely to
be a lot more work (a whole lot more!) and require more open access to
the space.

Another advantage would be you could fair in
the inside so that there is a slope to carry debris
to the drain fitting.


True... put in a little window for visual inspection too.

Actually, I should build the whole boat myself! Then every part of it
would be PERFECT... wouldn't Bubbles be jealous!

DSK

The Attributes of an Outstanding Skipper
 

"Scotty" wrote:

"Bart Senior" .@. wrote:
What are the attributes of an outstanding skipper?

Allowing the 'crew' to sunbathe on the foredeck while you
handle
the boat.

Allowing the crew to work the helm and sails while I go
below to
eat fried chicken.


Take a good hard look at yourself, and tell me which
attributes you feel need improvement in yourself.


Need to lose weight.



Tell me what you plan to do to effect such improvements.


Buy larger clothes.


Heehee! Allowing the crew to smoke downwind is nice too...

Seahag

The Attributes of an Outstanding Skipper
 

"Seahag" wrote in message
...

"Scotty" wrote:

"Bart Senior" .@. wrote:
What are the attributes of an outstanding skipper?

Allowing the 'crew' to sunbathe on the foredeck while you
handle
the boat.

Allowing the crew to work the helm and sails while I go
below to
eat fried chicken.


Take a good hard look at yourself, and tell me which
attributes you feel need improvement in yourself.


Need to lose weight.



Tell me what you plan to do to effect such improvements.


Buy larger clothes.


Heehee! Allowing the crew to smoke downwind is nice too...


That wasn't ''allowed'', that was MUTINY !

Captain Scotty

The Attributes of an Outstanding Skipper
 

Both Doug and Bart are wrong on this one......... courage is very
important trait for an "outstanding skipper".

Joe