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NotPony October 18th 05 08:31 PM

learning by numbers
 
This past season, I spent my Wednesday evenings
racing on an old (1977) Bristol 34. Seems like an
oxymoron, racing an old cruising boat that rates
192.
This boat has no fancy electronics or high tech
sails. Electronics consist of a knot log and
depth meter.
When I started with this boat, I called it the
geriatric boat. The owners are both in their mid
60's. One crew member is in her late 70's. At
40, I was the youngest on the boat.
We sailed by the compass. Checking the wind and
line bearings at the start, checking heading for
lifts and headers.
Mid-season I was allowed to take over as skipper.
Dinghy racing has given me the confidence to put
the boat where I want it without the concern of
being too close to the other boats. An inch from
another boat in dinghies isn't a big deal.
Knowing the rules helps out a lot too.
Math not being my strong suit, I made a little
compass rose with rotating cross hairs. I simply
turn the dial to the bearing of the line and see
where the wind is for the favored end.
I learned so much from these old timers on an old
boat, I was able to steer us to two firsts in the
last couple races. This is not just correcting
over faster boats, but actually crossing the line
in front of boats with ratings in the 170's.
The owners have given me use of the boat to enter
in the Baltimore Harbor Cup to benefit leukemia.
I thought it would be a good thing to do as a
friend of mine has a son that was recently
diagnosed with
leukemia.http://www.active.com/donate/leukemiacupm
d/BCSC
It is so much fun to push this old boat and come
out ahead.
It's also speaks volumes that the crew on this
boat has been together for years. A spot doesn't
open up unless someone dies.
I've also been able to pass on a load of info and
experience to my son. It gives so much pleasure
having him take interest in something I'm
interested in. But I've got to watch him. He's
starting to give his old man a run for his money.
As much as I dread it in one sense, I can't wait
for the day he beats me in every race.
So, between racing the Bristol, racing dinghies,
sailing my boat and running the sailing center, I
don't see how life could get much better.
S.


Scotty October 18th 05 11:49 PM

learning by numbers
 
You forgot to mention the excellent 'guest grinder' for that one
race.

SV


"NotPony" wrote in message
news:q4c5f.4536$t12.347@trnddc03...
This past season, I spent my Wednesday evenings
racing on an old (1977) Bristol 34. Seems like an
oxymoron, racing an old cruising boat that rates
192.
This boat has no fancy electronics or high tech
sails. Electronics consist of a knot log and
depth meter.
When I started with this boat, I called it the
geriatric boat. The owners are both in their mid
60's. One crew member is in her late 70's. At
40, I was the youngest on the boat.
We sailed by the compass. Checking the wind and
line bearings at the start, checking heading for
lifts and headers.
Mid-season I was allowed to take over as skipper.
Dinghy racing has given me the confidence to put
the boat where I want it without the concern of
being too close to the other boats. An inch from
another boat in dinghies isn't a big deal.
Knowing the rules helps out a lot too.
Math not being my strong suit, I made a little
compass rose with rotating cross hairs. I simply
turn the dial to the bearing of the line and see
where the wind is for the favored end.
I learned so much from these old timers on an old
boat, I was able to steer us to two firsts in the
last couple races. This is not just correcting
over faster boats, but actually crossing the line
in front of boats with ratings in the 170's.
The owners have given me use of the boat to enter
in the Baltimore Harbor Cup to benefit leukemia.
I thought it would be a good thing to do as a
friend of mine has a son that was recently
diagnosed with
leukemia.http://www.active.com/donate/leukemiacupm
d/BCSC
It is so much fun to push this old boat and come
out ahead.
It's also speaks volumes that the crew on this
boat has been together for years. A spot doesn't
open up unless someone dies.
I've also been able to pass on a load of info and
experience to my son. It gives so much pleasure
having him take interest in something I'm
interested in. But I've got to watch him. He's
starting to give his old man a run for his money.
As much as I dread it in one sense, I can't wait
for the day he beats me in every race.
So, between racing the Bristol, racing dinghies,
sailing my boat and running the sailing center, I
don't see how life could get much better.
S.




John Cairns October 19th 05 12:30 AM

learning by numbers
 

"NotPony" wrote in message
news:q4c5f.4536$t12.347@trnddc03...
This past season, I spent my Wednesday evenings
racing on an old (1977) Bristol 34. Seems like an
oxymoron, racing an old cruising boat that rates
192.
This boat has no fancy electronics or high tech
sails. Electronics consist of a knot log and
depth meter.
When I started with this boat, I called it the
geriatric boat. The owners are both in their mid
60's. One crew member is in her late 70's. At
40, I was the youngest on the boat.
We sailed by the compass. Checking the wind and
line bearings at the start, checking heading for
lifts and headers.
Mid-season I was allowed to take over as skipper.
Dinghy racing has given me the confidence to put
the boat where I want it without the concern of
being too close to the other boats. An inch from
another boat in dinghies isn't a big deal.
Knowing the rules helps out a lot too.
Math not being my strong suit, I made a little
compass rose with rotating cross hairs. I simply
turn the dial to the bearing of the line and see
where the wind is for the favored end.
I learned so much from these old timers on an old
boat, I was able to steer us to two firsts in the
last couple races. This is not just correcting
over faster boats, but actually crossing the line
in front of boats with ratings in the 170's.
The owners have given me use of the boat to enter
in the Baltimore Harbor Cup to benefit leukemia.
I thought it would be a good thing to do as a
friend of mine has a son that was recently
diagnosed with
leukemia.http://www.active.com/donate/leukemiacupm
d/BCSC
It is so much fun to push this old boat and come
out ahead.
It's also speaks volumes that the crew on this
boat has been together for years. A spot doesn't
open up unless someone dies.
I've also been able to pass on a load of info and
experience to my son. It gives so much pleasure
having him take interest in something I'm
interested in. But I've got to watch him. He's
starting to give his old man a run for his money.
As much as I dread it in one sense, I can't wait
for the day he beats me in every race.
So, between racing the Bristol, racing dinghies,
sailing my boat and running the sailing center, I
don't see how life could get much better.
S.


Reminded of several things. The former "Shenanagin" was a '72 Tartan 30, the
skipper owned that boat for years, got it to sail faster than it's rating,
though I think he did better on distance races. My first racing experience
was on a Catalina 27, the winners for the Wednesday night races in our
division were usually an old 60+ couple in another Catalina 27. They knew
that boat, they would sail away from us like we were standing still-didn't
help that we were so bad, of course. And lastly, several years back the
overall winner in the Trans-Erie was an ancient Cal 29. There is a lot to be
said for racing an older boat, really getting to know it, then maximizing
it's speed potential. You know, crewing is a lot easier, on the whole, than
racing your own boat.

John Cairns



DSK October 19th 05 12:39 AM

learning by numbers
 
NotPony wrote:

This past season, I spent my Wednesday evenings
racing on an old (1977) Bristol 34.


C'mon, that's not OLD!!!

... Seems like an
oxymoron, racing an old cruising boat that rates
192.


Yeah, but the hot boats from that era don't rate much better, a Ranger
37 rates in the 170s.


I learned so much from these old timers on an old
boat, I was able to steer us to two firsts in the
last couple races. This is not just correcting
over faster boats, but actually crossing the line
in front of boats with ratings in the 170's.


Good job! Nothing like using the fine-tuned basic sailing skills to
really drive a boat, the way it should be driven.

The owners have given me use of the boat to enter
in the Baltimore Harbor Cup to benefit leukemia.
I thought it would be a good thing to do as a
friend of mine has a son that was recently
diagnosed with
leukemia.http://www.active.com/donate/leukemiacupm
d/BCSC


My wife & I would be happy & proud to sponsor you, Stve. Give me a call.

It is so much fun to push this old boat and come
out ahead.
It's also speaks volumes that the crew on this
boat has been together for years. A spot doesn't
open up unless someone dies.


Ummm... how did *you* get on board, or shouldn't I ask?!?

I've also been able to pass on a load of info and
experience to my son. It gives so much pleasure
having him take interest in something I'm
interested in. But I've got to watch him. He's
starting to give his old man a run for his money.
As much as I dread it in one sense, I can't wait
for the day he beats me in every race.


You have a better attitude than the 'older generation' in my family did.
And as much as my neices and nephews have enjoyed sailing, they haven't
taken up racing.

I hope your son introduces a lot of his friends to the pleasures of
sailing and maybe even racing.

Fresh Breezes- Doug King


rgnmstr October 19th 05 04:12 AM

learning by numbers
 
It's just being out there that counts.


Thom Stewart October 19th 05 05:05 AM

learning by numbers
 
Right you are Loco! being out there and having good friends to drink my
Manhattans with..

OT




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Scotty October 19th 05 01:00 PM

learning by numbers
 
And the pride in owning your own boat!

Scotty


"Thom Stewart" wrote in message
...
Right you are Loco! being out there and having good friends to

drink my
Manhattans with..

OT




http://community.webtv.net/tassail/ThomsPage

http://community.webtv.net/tassail/Pneuma




Capt. Rob October 19th 05 01:34 PM

learning by numbers
 
And the pride in owning your own boat!


Pride of owning an object? How shallow.
We never own anything in this life. We're all renters.

RB


Martin Baxter October 19th 05 02:07 PM

learning by numbers
 
"Capt. Rob" wrote:

And the pride in owning your own boat!

Pride of owning an object? How shallow.
We never own anything in this life. We're all renters.

Profound Bob, could you try and be a little more banal?

Cheers
Martin
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Capt. Rob October 19th 05 02:17 PM

learning by numbers
 
We never own anything in this life. We're all renters.

Profound Bob, could you try and be a little more banal?



I'm sorry to hear that you find John Forbes Nash Jr. banal.


RB


Martin Baxter October 19th 05 03:00 PM

learning by numbers
 
"Capt. Rob" wrote:

We never own anything in this life. We're all renters.


Profound Bob, could you try and be a little more banal?

I'm sorry to hear that you find John Forbes Nash Jr. banal.


You may have read him, but utterly failed to understand him. Mere
repetition is regurgitation.

Cheers
Martin

Capt. Rob October 19th 05 03:12 PM

learning by numbers
 
You may have read him, but utterly failed to understand him.


Perhaps you'd care to explain to us all how his comment on "ownership"
does not apply to the context in which it was used?
Enlighten us!

RB


Capt. Rob October 19th 05 03:14 PM

learning by numbers
 
Mere
repetition is regurgitation.


And furthermore, a quote, placed in concert with a statement is not
repetition.
You wouldn't last through the opening rounds of any serious debate.


RB


Martin Baxter October 19th 05 04:21 PM

learning by numbers
 
"Capt. Rob" wrote:

Mere
repetition is regurgitation.

And furthermore, a quote, placed in concert with a statement is not
repetition.
You wouldn't last through the opening rounds of any serious debate.

RB


Some reason you require two posts to reply to a single posting? I guess
I shouldn't expect anything better from you given your clear lack of
basic comprhension skills, never mind a grasp of logic.

You always remind of the spoiled brat who throws the checkerboard from
the table when faced with loss and screams "I won I won!"

Now go and play with the other children nicely Rob.

Cheers
Martin

Capt. Rob October 19th 05 05:12 PM

learning by numbers
 
Some reason you require two posts to reply to a single posting?


Bested Martin, so now he's down to just commenting on my use of two
posts! Pathetic, he is!

Bwahahahahahaha!

RB


Capt. Rob October 19th 05 05:13 PM

learning by numbers
 
You always remind of the spoiled brat who throws the checkerboard from
the table when faced with loss and screams "I won I won!"

Now go and play with the other children nicely Rob.


And witness as Martin does exactly that!!!
Really, Martin. You just got womped...again.

RB


Bart Senior October 19th 05 05:36 PM

learning by numbers
 
Great story. Thanks for contributing it. It is
people like you that make this group worthwhile.

"NotPony" wrote
This past season, I spent my Wednesday evenings
racing on an old (1977) Bristol 34. Seems like an
oxymoron, racing an old cruising boat that rates
192.
This boat has no fancy electronics or high tech
sails. Electronics consist of a knot log and
depth meter.
When I started with this boat, I called it the
geriatric boat. The owners are both in their mid
60's. One crew member is in her late 70's. At
40, I was the youngest on the boat.
We sailed by the compass. Checking the wind and
line bearings at the start, checking heading for
lifts and headers.
Mid-season I was allowed to take over as skipper.
Dinghy racing has given me the confidence to put
the boat where I want it without the concern of
being too close to the other boats. An inch from
another boat in dinghies isn't a big deal.
Knowing the rules helps out a lot too.
Math not being my strong suit, I made a little
compass rose with rotating cross hairs. I simply
turn the dial to the bearing of the line and see
where the wind is for the favored end.
I learned so much from these old timers on an old
boat, I was able to steer us to two firsts in the
last couple races. This is not just correcting
over faster boats, but actually crossing the line
in front of boats with ratings in the 170's.
The owners have given me use of the boat to enter
in the Baltimore Harbor Cup to benefit leukemia.
I thought it would be a good thing to do as a
friend of mine has a son that was recently
diagnosed with
leukemia.http://www.active.com/donate/leukemiacupm
d/BCSC
It is so much fun to push this old boat and come
out ahead.
It's also speaks volumes that the crew on this
boat has been together for years. A spot doesn't
open up unless someone dies.
I've also been able to pass on a load of info and
experience to my son. It gives so much pleasure
having him take interest in something I'm
interested in. But I've got to watch him. He's
starting to give his old man a run for his money.
As much as I dread it in one sense, I can't wait
for the day he beats me in every race.
So, between racing the Bristol, racing dinghies,
sailing my boat and running the sailing center, I
don't see how life could get much better.
S.




Capt. Rob October 19th 05 05:39 PM

learning by numbers
 
Great story. Thanks for contributing it. It is
people like you that make this group worthwhile.


Thank you.


RB


Scotty October 19th 05 10:34 PM

learning by numbers
 

"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
ups.com...
And the pride in owning your own boat!


Pride of owning an object?


yes, especially my sailboat. I also take pride in owning my '77
BMW.


How shallow.


3', 6' with the board down.



We never own anything in this life. We're all renters.



Sorry.....for you, I own my house. I have a deed to prove it.

Scotty




NotPony October 19th 05 10:38 PM

learning by numbers - Thank You
 
When I started this post, it wasn't with the
though of fundraising. We had already surpassed
our goal of $1000.
I was shocked when I looked at the site this
evening.
http://www.active.com/donate/leukemiacupmd/BCSC
I was already moved today when two of the girls
I've been teaching brought my a huge gift basket
and thanked me for making them sailors.
Now this. Thanks to those who helped out. You
know who you are. I know the family I'm doing
this for really appreciates it.
S.

"NotPony" wrote in message
news:q4c5f.4536$t12.347@trnddc03...
: This past season, I spent my Wednesday evenings
: racing on an old (1977) Bristol 34. Seems like
an
: oxymoron, racing an old cruising boat that rates
: 192.
: This boat has no fancy electronics or high tech
: sails. Electronics consist of a knot log and
: depth meter.
: When I started with this boat, I called it the
: geriatric boat. The owners are both in their mid
: 60's. One crew member is in her late 70's. At
: 40, I was the youngest on the boat.
: We sailed by the compass. Checking the wind and
: line bearings at the start, checking heading for
: lifts and headers.
: Mid-season I was allowed to take over as
skipper.
: Dinghy racing has given me the confidence to put
: the boat where I want it without the concern of
: being too close to the other boats. An inch
from
: another boat in dinghies isn't a big deal.
: Knowing the rules helps out a lot too.
: Math not being my strong suit, I made a little
: compass rose with rotating cross hairs. I
simply
: turn the dial to the bearing of the line and see
: where the wind is for the favored end.
: I learned so much from these old timers on an
old
: boat, I was able to steer us to two firsts in
the
: last couple races. This is not just correcting
: over faster boats, but actually crossing the
line
: in front of boats with ratings in the 170's.
: The owners have given me use of the boat to
enter
: in the Baltimore Harbor Cup to benefit leukemia.
: I thought it would be a good thing to do as a
: friend of mine has a son that was recently
: diagnosed with
:
leukemia.http://www.active.com/donate/leukemiacupm
: d/BCSC
: It is so much fun to push this old boat and come
: out ahead.
: It's also speaks volumes that the crew on this
: boat has been together for years. A spot
doesn't
: open up unless someone dies.
: I've also been able to pass on a load of info
and
: experience to my son. It gives so much pleasure
: having him take interest in something I'm
: interested in. But I've got to watch him. He's
: starting to give his old man a run for his
money.
: As much as I dread it in one sense, I can't wait
: for the day he beats me in every race.
: So, between racing the Bristol, racing dinghies,
: sailing my boat and running the sailing center,
I
: don't see how life could get much better.
: S.
:


Capt. Rob October 19th 05 10:42 PM

learning by numbers
 
We never own anything in this life. We're all renters.


Sorry.....for you, I own my house. I have a deed to prove it.


I have the deed for a house in Brooklyn, worth about 5 times yours. I
also have the deed to an apartment, worth even more. One day they'll
"belong" to someone else.
Scotty, you're just plain stupid. But take pride in that.

RB


Scotty October 19th 05 10:44 PM

learning by numbers - Thank You
 

"NotPony" wrote in message
news:31z5f.7628$nk2.1480@trnddc07...
When I started this post, it wasn't with the
though of fundraising. We had already surpassed
our goal of $1000.
I was shocked when I looked at the site this
evening.
http://www.active.com/donate/leukemiacupmd/BCSC
I was already moved today when two of the girls
I've been teaching brought my a huge gift basket



More rum?

SBV



Capt. Rob October 19th 05 10:46 PM

learning by numbers - Thank You
 
When I started this post, it wasn't with the
though of fundraising.


And yet you spammed us with a link. Do you think a viable charity
should be allowed to spam newsgroups? I'm contacting the association
through your link.

RB


Scotty October 19th 05 10:47 PM

learning by numbers
 
I own you.

Bwahahahahahahahahaha

"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
oups.com...
We never own anything in this life. We're all renters.



Sorry.....for you, I own my house. I have a deed to prove it.



I have the deed for a house in Brooklyn, worth about 5 times

yours. I
also have the deed to an apartment, worth even more. One day

they'll
"belong" to someone else.
Scotty, you're just plain stupid. But take pride in that.

RB




Scotty October 19th 05 10:48 PM

learning by numbers - Thank You
 
CHEAP PRICK !

--
"Swab Rob" wrote
When I started this post, it wasn't with the
though of fundraising.


And yet you spammed us with a link. Do you think a viable

charity
should be allowed to spam newsgroups? I'm contacting the

association
through your link.





NotPony October 19th 05 10:59 PM

learning by numbers - Thank You
 
That's okay, bs. I get an email confirmation of
each contribution showing the person and the
amount.
You are not one the people I was thanking.
S.
"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
oups.com...
: When I started this post, it wasn't with the
: though of fundraising.
:
:
: And yet you spammed us with a link. Do you think
a viable charity
: should be allowed to spam newsgroups? I'm
contacting the association
: through your link.
:
: RB
:


NotPony October 19th 05 11:18 PM

learning by numbers - Thank You
 
And another! Thank you. Your generosity is
overwhelming.
S.


"NotPony" wrote in message
news:Lkz5f.8237$Yk6.8151@trnddc01...
: That's okay, bs. I get an email confirmation of
: each contribution showing the person and the
: amount.
: You are not one the people I was thanking.
: S.
: "Capt. Rob" wrote in message
:
oups.com...
: : When I started this post, it wasn't with the
: : though of fundraising.
: :
: :
: : And yet you spammed us with a link. Do you
think
: a viable charity
: : should be allowed to spam newsgroups? I'm
: contacting the association
: : through your link.
: :
: : RB
: :
:


Joe October 19th 05 11:38 PM

learning by numbers - Thank You
 
S,

The link provided is not working for me.

http://www.active.com/donate/leukemiacupm
d/BCSC

It said the fund raising has ended.

Joe


Scotty October 19th 05 11:47 PM

learning by numbers - Thank You
 
http://www.active.com/donate/leukemiacupmd/BCSC


Try it again.

http://www.active.com/donate/leukemiacupmd/BCSC



Works for me.

http://www.active.com/donate/leukemiacupmd/BCSC



"Joe" wrote in message
oups.com...
S,

The link provided is not working for me.

http://www.active.com/donate/leukemiacupm
d/BCSC

It said the fund raising has ended.

Joe




NotPony October 19th 05 11:47 PM

learning by numbers - Thank You
 
I don't know what to tell you Joe. Between 6:17
and 6:44, I received three contributions from asa
members.
S.
"Joe" wrote in message
oups.com...
: S,
:
: The link provided is not working for me.
:
: http://www.active.com/donate/leukemiacupm
: d/BCSC
:
: It said the fund raising has ended.
:
: Joe
:


Scotty October 20th 05 12:01 AM

learning by numbers - Thank You
 

"NotPony" wrote in message
news:h2A5f.8243$Yk6.1051@trnddc01...
I don't know what to tell you Joe. Between 6:17
and 6:44, I received three contributions from asa
members.


None of which had the initials ''RB''.

SBV



Joe October 20th 05 12:02 AM

learning by numbers - Thank You
 
Thanks Scotty it worked now.

Joe


Capt. Rob October 20th 05 01:26 AM

learning by numbers - Thank You
 
CHEAP PRICK ! """


Your dad's nickname before he croaked???


Bwahahahahahahaha!

RB


Scotty October 20th 05 01:39 AM

learning by numbers - Thank You
 

"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
ups.com...
CHEAP PRICK ! """


My dad's nickname before he croaked



Oh, sorry, CHEAP PRICK Jr. !

SBV



Capt. Rob October 20th 05 02:06 AM

learning by numbers - Thank You
 
Scotty actually wrote....

My dad's nickname before he croaked

Oh, sorry, CHEAP PRICK Jr. !

Well, Scotty can surely be happy...like father like son!!!

BWAHAHAHAHAHA!

RB


Martin Baxter October 20th 05 12:29 PM

learning by numbers
 
Scotty wrote:

I own you.

Bwahahahahahahahahaha


Do you have any idea how much it's gonna cost you at the Hazardous
Materials Disposal Site to get rid of that waste?

Cheers
Martin

Scotty October 20th 05 12:45 PM

learning by numbers
 

"Martin Baxter" wrote in message
...
Scotty wrote:

I own you.

Bwahahahahahahahahaha


Do you have any idea how much it's gonna cost you at the

Hazardous
Materials Disposal Site to get rid of that waste?



I can sneak it in, I know the guards.

Scotty



Capt. Rob October 20th 05 01:06 PM

learning by numbers
 
Scotty Wrote....


I can sneak it in, I blow the guards.


Martin Baxter October 20th 05 01:13 PM

learning by numbers
 
Scotty wrote:


I can sneak it in, I know the guards.


You may have to rent one those low rider flatbeds that they use to all
oversize loads on.

Scotty


Scotty October 20th 05 10:38 PM

learning by numbers
 

"Martin Baxter" wrote in message
...
Scotty wrote:


I can sneak it in, I know the guards.


You may have to rent one those low rider flatbeds that they use

to haul
oversize loads on.



rent, schment, I own one.

http://www.enter.net/photoalbum/data...non/928746.JPG

That big enough for ya?

Scotty






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