Have you actually sailed a C&C 41? I have. How about a Baltic 43? I
have. Ever skippered a Hinckley, an Oyster, a Herreshoff, a Saga, a
Waquiez, etc etc?


Capt. Rob wrote:
In the last two years...C&C 36+ XL

Really? That would be a unique boat. They made a 34+, 34XL, and a 37+
and 37XL.



. I'm trying out a Tartan 37
and C&C 37 next month. Oh, and I did sail a beautiful H28 with a gaff
rig years ago.

Really? Is that the only gaff boat you've sailed?

Sorry, Doug.

What are you apologizing for? Being a patronizing, incompetent ignoramus
is all part of being a Noo Yawker, ain't it?

.. I'll be
sailing many different boats this summer as well.

Maybe in about 30 years you'll have caught up. But I doubt it, you seem
incapable of actually learning anything. Maybe Ritalin would help?


... Maybe you'd be
interested in the 2002 Mainship 39 I'm selling? It's just 230K and very
much your kind of boat

???
I have nothing against Mainships but they're not what we want. Too
noisy, too top-heavy, and guzzle too much fuel.

... you're not the sort to ever own a Grand
Banks.


You're right. They're way way over-rated. Just goes to show you how some
people actually believe advertising.

DSK

How about a Baltic 43? I have.


Admiral Halsey wrote:
Hmm. What can you tell me about them? We're looking at both the 42 Doug
Peterson and the 43 (Judel/Vrolik, I think).

I haven't sailed a 42DP, but it's a much better looking boat IMHO and
likely to be somewhat more seakindly... it's about 10% heavier. The 43
is a super boat... it's a lot faster than anything that comfortable has
a right to be (and about 30pts faster than the 42DP which is hardly a
slow boat); the Baltic construction quality is textbook.

Both have been criticised for being too IOR influenced, I can attest
that the 43 has none of the IOR broach-coach mannerisms. It's a fine
sailing boat.


... We've found several nice
examples of each, but I really don't know much about Baltics beyond their
reputation for being fine yachts with solid Finnish construction.


The worst part is that the cockpit isn't really set up for 2 handed
sailing. And I dislike teak decks, but that's a personal quirk.

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

"Capt. Rob" wrote in message oups.com...
Yeah right. IMHO you never actually owned a C&C 32, just faked it.


Here I was...all excited to bash another bad DSK troll, when he writes
the comment above. How lame can Doug get? I remember when Doug
actually, if bitterly, had real sailing info to offer. Oh well.

RB


DSK was always pretty useless but, now that he's turned trawler, he's
totally useless.

CN

"DSK" wrote in message

How about a Baltic 43? I have.


Admiral Halsey wrote:
Hmm. What can you tell me about them? We're looking at both the 42 Doug
Peterson and the 43 (Judel/Vrolik, I think).

I haven't sailed a 42DP, but it's a much better looking boat IMHO and
likely to be somewhat more seakindly... it's about 10% heavier. The 43 is
a super boat... it's a lot faster than anything that comfortable has a
right to be (and about 30pts faster than the 42DP which is hardly a slow
boat); the Baltic construction quality is textbook.

Both have been criticised for being too IOR influenced, I can attest that
the 43 has none of the IOR broach-coach mannerisms. It's a fine sailing
boat.

We haven't sailed either. Yet. We've got a sea trial coming up on a 42 as
soon as the weather is somewhat reliable. The owner is buying a more recent
Swan 44.



... We've found several nice examples of each, but I really don't know
much about Baltics beyond their reputation for being fine yachts with
solid Finnish construction.


The worst part is that the cockpit isn't really set up for 2 handed
sailing. And I dislike teak decks, but that's a personal quirk.

Baltic's cockpits are proprietary. I like some aspects of them and dislike
others. As for teak decks, if you want a Baltic, you get teak. There was
one last year that the owner had removed the teak, but I'd be skeptical of
that. The one thing I can say for Baltic's decks is that I have yet to
learn of one that has leaked through the deck itself.

Bull

"Dave" wrote in message
...
On 21 Apr 2005 17:00:00 -0700, "Capt. Rob" said:

Yeah right. IMHO you never actually owned a C&C 32, just faked it.

Dunno. I saw a fella on City Island who said he was Bob Brody on a
C&C that
looked like about a 32 and was named Alien a coupla weekends ago,
and he
looked like he owned it.


Could you describe that ''owner look'', Dave?


--
Scotty,
A Snark that actually gets sailed would be a better choice
than any boat that bobspit uses for bragging on the Internet.

Both have been criticised for being too IOR influenced, I can attest that
the 43 has none of the IOR broach-coach mannerisms. It's a fine sailing
boat.


Admiral Halsey wrote:
We haven't sailed either. Yet. We've got a sea trial coming up on a 42 as
soon as the weather is somewhat reliable. The owner is buying a more recent
Swan 44.


Please give us a report on what you think of it. Especially if you get a
chance to drive it hard DDW. It's a more IOR broach-coach-ish shape that
the B43, but then Peterson's designs generally seem to be well-behaved
even from the height of the "bad" IOR era (mid & late 1970s).




Baltic's cockpits are proprietary. I like some aspects of them and dislike
others. As for teak decks, if you want a Baltic, you get teak. There was
one last year that the owner had removed the teak, but I'd be skeptical of
that. The one thing I can say for Baltic's decks is that I have yet to
learn of one that has leaked through the deck itself.


They're probably glued rather than screwed into the deck.

Depending on who did it & how, a former teak deck could be great. I'm
planning to take ours off the tugboat, although it's pretty far down the
list of projects. I've seen ones that were botched, others that were
surprising to hear they had ever been teak. In any event, teak is heavy
& a maintenance hit & has limited longevity... and IMHO it's not very
god nonskid (heresy!). But it's expensive and it looks really cool.

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

"Dave" wrote
Dunno. I saw a fella on City Island who said he was Bob Brody on a
C&C that
looked like about a 32 and was named Alien a coupla weekends ago,
and he
looked like he owned it.


Scotty wrote:
Could you describe that ''owner look'', Dave?


Maybe he was pilfering stuff to sell on Ebay.

Or maybe Bubbles does/did own a C&C 32. I've been wrong before (just not
very often).

It's hard to tell, he lies about so much stuff. And he's still nuts.

DSK

"DSK" wrote in message

Please give us a report on what you think of it. Especially if you get a
chance to drive it hard DDW. It's a more IOR broach-coach-ish shape that
the B43, but then Peterson's designs generally seem to be well-behaved
even from the height of the "bad" IOR era (mid & late 1970s).

I will, if there's still an ASA to post to.

Bull

"Admiral Halsey" wrote in message

I will, if there's still an ASA to post to.

ASA will be here...... the boat always fairs better than the crew.

CM

Capt. Rob wrote:
Anyone familiar with the C&C 41 from late 80's??? We're looking at
one
with a wing keel. She's over 100K, but still might be a good boat for
us. She's an aft-cabin model.


RB

Must be the N.Y. price where the seller makes the boob feel good by
dealing. There's one for sale in Annapolis right now for $80K and
that's with a dealer.