C&C 41?
 

Anyone familiar with the C&C 41 from late 80's??? We're looking at one
with a wing keel. She's over 100K, but still might be a good boat for
us. She's an aft-cabin model.


RB

Capt. Rob wrote:
Anyone familiar with the C&C 41 from late 80's???

Yep

...We're looking at one
with a wing keel. She's over 100K

That's silly, there's several on the market in the 70s & 80s. Or are you
going to play bait-n-switch again?

... but still might be a good boat for
us. She's an aft-cabin model.

And that affects the sailing charactistics in your opinion?

The Jackett designed C&C 41 (as opposed to the earlier Redline 41) is a
good sailing boat. It's early in the evolutionary chain of that group,
it's not as zippy as the later 37+ (who had the brilliant idea of
marketing a 40 footer as a 37?) or 121 but respectable. I like the
cockpit & deck layout except that some of the coaming contours are not
crew-friendly. It's not very roomy for a 41 though.

We have some good friends with a CB version of the C&C 41, he's added a
windlass. They just got back from a winter in the Bahamas.

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

"DSK" wrote
And that affects the sailing charactistics in your opinion?

Doug, remember who you're talking to.



--
Scotty,
A Snark that actually gets sailed would be a better choice than any
boat
that only gets used as a bragging implement on the Internet.

... but still might be a good boat for
us. She's an aft-cabin model.


And that affects the sailing charactistics in your opinion?

How do you make a connection of any kind with an aft cabin and sailing
performance, Doug? I sure didn't. Hmmm?

RB

...We're looking at one
with a wing keel. She's over 100K


That's silly, there's several on the market in the 70s & 80s. Or are
you
going to play bait-n-switch again?


You see late 80's C&C 41's in the 70K range? How many and where?

RB

And that affects the sailing charactistics in your opinion?


Doug, remember who you're talking to.



Yeah, I'm the guy who knows better than to buy a Beneteau, Hunter or
Siedlemann. I'm also the guy who more than doubled his money back on
his boat and now gets to buy an even nicer one. Hey, but then my DSLR
kit is worth more than your boat!
Scotty, I see you're as angry and bitter as ever. Why oh why are you
stuck in your trailer park life and mentality? Why can't you own
something nice in your twilight years, while I get to sail vessels
you'd not even be invited on?
Poor guy! I really do pitty the poor Scotty Potti. This is the same guy
who was positively thrilled when I told him I was buying a Catalina
30...he thought that was a good choice!!! Sheeeesh!

RB

Doug, remember who you're talking to.



Capt. Rob wrote:
Yeah, I'm the guy who knows better than to buy a Beneteau, Hunter or
Siedlemann.

Also, you're the guy who doesn't know how to attribute quotes.

... I'm also the guy who more than doubled his money back on
his boat

I thought the money wasn't important?

Heck, my boat is worth more than all the boats you've ever owned, added
together.


... while I get to sail vessels
you'd not even be invited on?

Have you actually sailed a C&C 41? I have. How about a Baltic 43? I
have. Ever skippered a Hinckley, an Oyster, a Herreshoff, a Saga, a
Waquiez, etc etc?

DSK

A Snark that actually gets sailed would be a better choice than any
boat
that only gets used as a bragging implement on the Internet.


How about a C&C 32 that got sailed more last summer than most boats in
this group COMBINED? Face the facts, even with Suzanne pregnant we were
out sailing. In fact Suzanne wanted to sail Sept. 2nd, though I kept us
close. 9 hours later Thomas was born. For most of you sailing is a
hobby, like collecting stamps. For us it's a lifestyle that we continue
to expand on. It upsets people like Scotty and Donal to see a family
building to bigger boats and plans to sail because they've reached the
mediocre height of their sailing experience. Meanwhile, ours is just
beginning and will easily eclipse theirs!
(See, CN, that's how it's done!)

Oh, and....BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

RB

RB

A Snark that actually gets sailed would be a better choice than any
boat
that only gets used as a bragging implement on the Internet.


Capt. Rob wrote:
How about a C&C 32 that got sailed more last summer than most boats in
this group COMBINED?

Yeah right. IMHO you never actually owned a C&C 32, just faked it. You
sit in front of a computer and fantasize about going sailing, while
dreaming up bizarre statements like marinas requiring thimbles on dock
lines.


... For most of you sailing is a
hobby, like collecting stamps.

Actually, collecting stamps is a very intelligent investment as well as
an educational hobby. What's wrong with doing something that requires a
little brain power?

... For us it's a lifestyle that we continue
to expand on.

Most people who talk about sailing as a "lifestyle" are really talking
about drinking heavily while listening to Jimmy Buffet over & over.
Doesn't appeal to me, but it's a matter of opinion.

Meanwhile, how many different states did you visit by boat last year?



Oh, and....BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!


Always quick with the witty reply, eh Bubbles?

DSK

Capt. Rob wrote:
A Snark that actually gets sailed would be a better choice than any
boat
that only gets used as a bragging implement on the Internet.


How about a C&C 32 that got sailed more last summer than most boats in
this group COMBINED? Face the facts, even with Suzanne pregnant we were
out sailing. In fact Suzanne wanted to sail Sept. 2nd, though I kept us
close. 9 hours later Thomas was born. For most of you sailing is a
hobby, like collecting stamps. For us it's a lifestyle that we continue
to expand on. It upsets people like Scotty and Donal to see a family
building to bigger boats and plans to sail because they've reached the
mediocre height of their sailing experience. Meanwhile, ours is just
beginning and will easily eclipse theirs!
(See, CN, that's how it's done!)

Oh, and....BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

I hate to say it but your drivel is a big step up from what we've seen
here lately.

What I don't understand is why you keep talking about larger and
larger boats when in fact you seem to measure your enjoyment in terms
of the number of daysails you do. Pleasure is not measured in terms
of the size or value of the boat, but how well suited it is to the
type of sailing you do. Since you hardly ever go out for more than 1
or 2 nights, why do you need a larger boat? Our Nonsuch was a perfect
choice when we were daysailing and doing overnights - even with a new
baby it didn't feel small except when we did a week or two. Our
catamaran was the best boat for our long trip, and is pretty good for
the 6 weeks we cruise in the summer, but is not a good daysailor. (It
does make a good party platform, but it takes hour to get to where we
can raise the sail!) For this reason, I keep looking at the smaller
catboats as a possible next boat. For now, I'll just renew my
membership to a local club on the river where I can take out my choice
of dinks whenever the urge strikes.

And for the record, you may leave the dock a lot, but there are some
of us that actually go somewhere. I've done 2 or 3 trips a year over
100 miles from home, for most of the last 30 years. How many trips of
over 4 nights have you done in your life?

DSK wrote:


What's wrong with doing something that requires a
little brain power?

Jeeze Doug, you're losing it, remember what Scotty said, "Remember who you are talking to."

Cheers
Marty

"Capt. Rob" wrote in message

Anyone familiar with the C&C 41 from late 80's??? We're looking at one
with a wing keel. She's over 100K, but still might be a good boat for
us. She's an aft-cabin model.

That wouldn't be the one at Whitehall, MI, would it? If so, I can give you
lots of info about here, including a whole raft of photos, if you want 'em.

Bull

"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
oups.com...
And that affects the sailing charactistics in your opinion?


Doug, remember who you're talking to.



Yeah, I'm the guy who knows better than to buy a Beneteau, Hunter or
Siedlemann. I'm also the guy who doesn't own a boat.

Hoo ahhhhh!

"DSK" wrote in message


How about a Baltic 43? I have.

Hmm. What can you tell me about them? We're looking at both the 42 Doug
Peterson and the 43 (Judel/Vrolik, I think). We've found several nice
examples of each, but I really don't know much about Baltics beyond their
reputation for being fine yachts with solid Finnish construction.

TIA

Bull

"Admiral Halsey" wrote in message link.net...

"Capt. Rob" wrote in message

Anyone familiar with the C&C 41 from late 80's??? We're looking at one
with a wing keel. She's over 100K, but still might be a good boat for
us. She's an aft-cabin model.

That wouldn't be the one at Whitehall, MI, would it? If so, I can give you
lots of info about here, including a whole raft of photos, if you want 'em.

Bull


A dead giveaway, Maxprop.

CN

"Capt. Rob" wrote ...
the same old tired worn out **** that he's been saying for years

Have you actually sailed a C&C 41? I have. How about a Baltic 43? I
have. Ever skippered a Hinckley, an Oyster, a Herreshoff, a Saga, a
Waquiez, etc etc?


In the last two years...C&C 36+ XL, C&C 29, Tayana 48 DS, Pearson 39,
Freedom 35 (Thanks Mark!), Bristol 27, C&C 40, Cal 35 to name a few,
and of course on a regular basis J24s, J30. I'm trying out a Tartan 37
and C&C 37 next month. Oh, and I did sail a beautiful H28 with a gaff
rig years ago.
Sorry, Doug. Boats are a nice part time business for me now. I'll be
sailing many different boats this summer as well. Maybe you'd be
interested in the 2002 Mainship 39 I'm selling? It's just 230K and very
much your kind of boat since you're not the sort to ever own a Grand
Banks.

RB

Yeah right. IMHO you never actually owned a C&C 32, just faked it.


Here I was...all excited to bash another bad DSK troll, when he writes
the comment above. How lame can Doug get? I remember when Doug
actually, if bitterly, had real sailing info to offer. Oh well.

RB

Yeah right. IMHO you never actually owned a C&C 32, just faked it.


Here I was...all excited to bash another bad DSK troll, when he writes
the comment above. How lame can Doug get? I remember when Doug
actually, if bitterly, had real sailing info to offer. Oh well.

RB

Rats have been onboard many more and more impressive boats than you.
What does this prove?

--
Scotty,
A Snark that actually gets sailed would be a better choice
than any boat that bobspit uses for bragging on the Internet.



"Capt. Rob" bragged....


In the last two years...C&C 36+ XL, C&C 29, Tayana 48 DS, Pearson
39,
Freedom 35 (Thanks Mark!), Bristol 27, C&C 40, Cal 35 to name a few,
and of course on a regular basis J24s, J30. I'm trying out a Tartan
37
and C&C 37 next month. Oh, and I did sail a beautiful H28 with a
gaff
rig years ago.
Sorry, Doug. Boats are a nice part time business for me now. I'll be
sailing many different boats this summer as well. Maybe you'd be
interested in the 2002 Mainship 39 I'm selling? It's just 230K and
very
much your kind of boat since you're not the sort to ever own a Grand
Banks.

RB

Have you actually sailed a C&C 41? I have. How about a Baltic 43? I
have. Ever skippered a Hinckley, an Oyster, a Herreshoff, a Saga, a
Waquiez, etc etc?


Capt. Rob wrote:
In the last two years...C&C 36+ XL

Really? That would be a unique boat. They made a 34+, 34XL, and a 37+
and 37XL.



. I'm trying out a Tartan 37
and C&C 37 next month. Oh, and I did sail a beautiful H28 with a gaff
rig years ago.

Really? Is that the only gaff boat you've sailed?

Sorry, Doug.

What are you apologizing for? Being a patronizing, incompetent ignoramus
is all part of being a Noo Yawker, ain't it?

.. I'll be
sailing many different boats this summer as well.

Maybe in about 30 years you'll have caught up. But I doubt it, you seem
incapable of actually learning anything. Maybe Ritalin would help?


... Maybe you'd be
interested in the 2002 Mainship 39 I'm selling? It's just 230K and very
much your kind of boat

???
I have nothing against Mainships but they're not what we want. Too
noisy, too top-heavy, and guzzle too much fuel.

... you're not the sort to ever own a Grand
Banks.


You're right. They're way way over-rated. Just goes to show you how some
people actually believe advertising.

DSK

How about a Baltic 43? I have.


Admiral Halsey wrote:
Hmm. What can you tell me about them? We're looking at both the 42 Doug
Peterson and the 43 (Judel/Vrolik, I think).

I haven't sailed a 42DP, but it's a much better looking boat IMHO and
likely to be somewhat more seakindly... it's about 10% heavier. The 43
is a super boat... it's a lot faster than anything that comfortable has
a right to be (and about 30pts faster than the 42DP which is hardly a
slow boat); the Baltic construction quality is textbook.

Both have been criticised for being too IOR influenced, I can attest
that the 43 has none of the IOR broach-coach mannerisms. It's a fine
sailing boat.


... We've found several nice
examples of each, but I really don't know much about Baltics beyond their
reputation for being fine yachts with solid Finnish construction.


The worst part is that the cockpit isn't really set up for 2 handed
sailing. And I dislike teak decks, but that's a personal quirk.

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

"Capt. Rob" wrote in message oups.com...
Yeah right. IMHO you never actually owned a C&C 32, just faked it.


Here I was...all excited to bash another bad DSK troll, when he writes
the comment above. How lame can Doug get? I remember when Doug
actually, if bitterly, had real sailing info to offer. Oh well.

RB


DSK was always pretty useless but, now that he's turned trawler, he's
totally useless.

CN

"DSK" wrote in message

How about a Baltic 43? I have.


Admiral Halsey wrote:
Hmm. What can you tell me about them? We're looking at both the 42 Doug
Peterson and the 43 (Judel/Vrolik, I think).

I haven't sailed a 42DP, but it's a much better looking boat IMHO and
likely to be somewhat more seakindly... it's about 10% heavier. The 43 is
a super boat... it's a lot faster than anything that comfortable has a
right to be (and about 30pts faster than the 42DP which is hardly a slow
boat); the Baltic construction quality is textbook.

Both have been criticised for being too IOR influenced, I can attest that
the 43 has none of the IOR broach-coach mannerisms. It's a fine sailing
boat.

We haven't sailed either. Yet. We've got a sea trial coming up on a 42 as
soon as the weather is somewhat reliable. The owner is buying a more recent
Swan 44.



... We've found several nice examples of each, but I really don't know
much about Baltics beyond their reputation for being fine yachts with
solid Finnish construction.


The worst part is that the cockpit isn't really set up for 2 handed
sailing. And I dislike teak decks, but that's a personal quirk.

Baltic's cockpits are proprietary. I like some aspects of them and dislike
others. As for teak decks, if you want a Baltic, you get teak. There was
one last year that the owner had removed the teak, but I'd be skeptical of
that. The one thing I can say for Baltic's decks is that I have yet to
learn of one that has leaked through the deck itself.

Bull

"Dave" wrote in message
...
On 21 Apr 2005 17:00:00 -0700, "Capt. Rob" said:

Yeah right. IMHO you never actually owned a C&C 32, just faked it.

Dunno. I saw a fella on City Island who said he was Bob Brody on a
C&C that
looked like about a 32 and was named Alien a coupla weekends ago,
and he
looked like he owned it.


Could you describe that ''owner look'', Dave?


--
Scotty,
A Snark that actually gets sailed would be a better choice
than any boat that bobspit uses for bragging on the Internet.

Both have been criticised for being too IOR influenced, I can attest that
the 43 has none of the IOR broach-coach mannerisms. It's a fine sailing
boat.


Admiral Halsey wrote:
We haven't sailed either. Yet. We've got a sea trial coming up on a 42 as
soon as the weather is somewhat reliable. The owner is buying a more recent
Swan 44.


Please give us a report on what you think of it. Especially if you get a
chance to drive it hard DDW. It's a more IOR broach-coach-ish shape that
the B43, but then Peterson's designs generally seem to be well-behaved
even from the height of the "bad" IOR era (mid & late 1970s).




Baltic's cockpits are proprietary. I like some aspects of them and dislike
others. As for teak decks, if you want a Baltic, you get teak. There was
one last year that the owner had removed the teak, but I'd be skeptical of
that. The one thing I can say for Baltic's decks is that I have yet to
learn of one that has leaked through the deck itself.


They're probably glued rather than screwed into the deck.

Depending on who did it & how, a former teak deck could be great. I'm
planning to take ours off the tugboat, although it's pretty far down the
list of projects. I've seen ones that were botched, others that were
surprising to hear they had ever been teak. In any event, teak is heavy
& a maintenance hit & has limited longevity... and IMHO it's not very
god nonskid (heresy!). But it's expensive and it looks really cool.

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

"Dave" wrote
Dunno. I saw a fella on City Island who said he was Bob Brody on a
C&C that
looked like about a 32 and was named Alien a coupla weekends ago,
and he
looked like he owned it.


Scotty wrote:
Could you describe that ''owner look'', Dave?


Maybe he was pilfering stuff to sell on Ebay.

Or maybe Bubbles does/did own a C&C 32. I've been wrong before (just not
very often).

It's hard to tell, he lies about so much stuff. And he's still nuts.

DSK

"DSK" wrote in message

Please give us a report on what you think of it. Especially if you get a
chance to drive it hard DDW. It's a more IOR broach-coach-ish shape that
the B43, but then Peterson's designs generally seem to be well-behaved
even from the height of the "bad" IOR era (mid & late 1970s).

I will, if there's still an ASA to post to.

Bull

"Admiral Halsey" wrote in message

I will, if there's still an ASA to post to.

ASA will be here...... the boat always fairs better than the crew.

CM

Capt. Rob wrote:
Anyone familiar with the C&C 41 from late 80's??? We're looking at
one
with a wing keel. She's over 100K, but still might be a good boat for
us. She's an aft-cabin model.


RB

Must be the N.Y. price where the seller makes the boob feel good by
dealing. There's one for sale in Annapolis right now for $80K and
that's with a dealer.

"rgnmstr" wrote

Must be the N.Y. price where the seller makes the boob feel good by
dealing. There's one for sale in Annapolis right now for $80K and
that's with a dealer.


Nah, the Boob just feels it's more *impressive* to say 100k. And
after all, isn't that the whole point of buying a boat?

Scotty

Both viewpoints are correct.

The higher price is the listed price.

The actual sale price is about 70-75% of the asking
price.


"Scotty" wrote

"rgnmstr" wrote

Must be the N.Y. price where the seller makes the boob feel good by
dealing. There's one for sale in Annapolis right now for $80K and
that's with a dealer.


Nah, the Boob just feels it's more *impressive* to say 100k. And
after all, isn't that the whole point of buying a boat?