Capt. Neal® wrote:
Dear Group,

I thank the belowmentioned for all for the accolades! I appreciate
your fear and awe of me. You are correct to recognize the power
and influence I command.

Bluff and bluster noted, Neal.


Capt. Neal® wrote:

Some information you do not have that is skewing your thoughts is
Haight and Ganz have been netKKKoping me for over five years.
Both have a history of complaining to my ISPs and attempting to
get me tossed. Both brag about doing so.

The other side of this coin is that if you use ISPs that have a specific
TOS, then you either conduct yourself within those TOS or risk the
consequences of stepping outwith them. I'm sure you'd agree that there is
something to be said for making an informed choice, and taking responsiblity
for one's choices. In short, if you're going to push the envelope with
people you believe will netcop you, while using an ISP that may be
sympathetic to their netcopping, then it's your own lookout. You're blaming
them for your own errors.

Like I said to LP, there *are* rules, whether we like it or not. The
Databasix people evidently have a TOS that is rather different from the
typical commercial ISP, but even they must place limits on what their users
can do, to the extent that offenders will get booted if they place the
service at risk. A couple of years ago, my own ISP was doing too little
about open relays connected to its servers - it was becoming a serious spam
source and notice was served that it had to clean up its act wthin a given
period of time or it would get booted off the net by means of its peering
partners withdrawing their connections (I believe other interested parties
who might otherwise become peering partners were also involved).

I'm sure Databasix aren't into so much 'freedom' that they'll risk getting
themselves isolated from the net. I'm willing to bet that they don't
include, for instance, mass spam mailings of kiddie porn or snuff movies in
their definition of 'freedom of speech'. If the usenet server-providing
community is willing to serve notice of a death sentence on one of the UK's
biggest ISPs, then I don't think they'd have much compunction about
disconnecting what, I assume, is comparatively small fry.

There are always rules, Neal. They might not be clear-cut, or consistent in
all environments, but they're always there in one form or another. The trick
is know what they are and to play your game within them. If you don't, you
get shafted sooner or later.


I'm a patient man. I waited and bided my time hoping they would
get bored and go away.

You kept running risks vis-a-vis your conduct and that allowed by your
ISP(s). You were responsible for that conduct, and you therefore took the
risk.


"They" did not cross post to get the flonkers involved. Show
me the post where I cross posted to do so, please.

If I'm in error regarding this, then I apologise. I confess that I've found
this episode insufficiently interesting to read everything in detail,
certainly not to the extent of doing research into who cross-posted
precisely what, and when.

To be frank, this episode has been annoying and disruptive. I don't come in
here to wade through piles of **** just because you keep treading on the
wrong side of the line when there are people willing to grass you up for
doing so - that's not my concern, and it's not my problem. As a general
rule, I don't killfile. I object to being admonished to waste my time
engaging in unneccessary computer admin, killfiling disruptor after
disruptor, just because a few people can't behave themselves, or can't play
the game by the (ISP) rules they choose and accept when they take on a
connection service. I've done mass killfiling before, but I'm very
disinclined to do it again. I have better things to do with my life than
clean other people's **** out of my face. My objection to people who
deliberately disrupt, and then tell me to remove some of whatever amount of
life I have left to get rid of them, is complete and absolute.

Your ISP's rules, your behaviour, your ****-up. You can sit and justify your
latest reaction to yourself all you like, but you'll never convince me.
Having given the foregoing your most careful consideration, would you care
to elucidate your position on personal responsiblity as it applies to you in
this context? How would that elucidation sit with your views on the matter
in the context of good seamanship? And what about within the context of your
general philosophy of life? I ask that last question because I gather that
you see good seamanship, and the attitudes it enshrines, as inextricably
linked to one's philosophy on life itself.


Those monitoring my
posts were aware of the netcops and LP crossposting
was an after-the-fact situation.

You better tell LP that the ego-feed isn't all hers, then: "What brought
these posters over here is me cross-posting KATY's posts to people who
believe in freedom of speech."


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Wally
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