On Tue, 29 Mar 2005 09:49:08 -0500, DSK wrote
this crap:


Agreed. Some boats are clearly designed for sitting on while drinking
beer at the dock, and aren't really practical for that either.

Off center companionways bug me. Sure it can make sense to give more
room to the galley, etc etc, but I just don't like it. Some therwise
wonderful boats have that feature, though.


DSK is a lying cocksucker, and a coward.

DSK has posted blatent lies on this newsgroup, and when he is proven
to be a liar, he doesn't have the balls to defend himself.






This post is 100% free of steroids

"DSK" wrote in message

... I'd pick the one with higher LPOS.

Maxprop wrote:
As would I. Some designs simply have so many inherent flaws as to be
disqualified for anything beyond coastal daysailing. Small boats,
especially, often have no bridgedeck to speak of, or have companionways
so offset as to promote filling the hull on a knockdown on that side.


Agreed. Some boats are clearly designed for sitting on while drinking beer
at the dock, and aren't really practical for that either.

Off center companionways bug me. Sure it can make sense to give more room
to the galley, etc etc, but I just don't like it. Some therwise wonderful
boats have that feature, though.

Like some of the Hinckleys and the Mason 43/44, for example. My Sea Sprite
34 is slightly offset, but only slightly. I don't think it poses a risk
during a knockdown, especially with the massive keel we have and the 5'
draft.

.... Personally I think it is better for a boat to look good than to sail
good. :-) (apologies to Billy Crystal)


L. Francis Herreshoff once said, "If it looks right to your eye, chances
are it'll look right to the sea." Of course his mastery was in producing
boats that looked hypnotically right, and yet didn't have much in the way
of racing successes. Personally, while I think any boat that wins is
automatically beautiful, I also put a high value on looks and have only
owned one boat that was not at least pretty... some called the Hunter 19
cute, but it always looked pudgy to me.

The Hunter 19 wasn't bad compared with the current crop of Hunters. Those
recent boats in the small to medium size range are positively homely, with
their arytenoid transoms and myriad dark glazing ports all over the house.
I find it amusing that the newest Hunters have returned to a more
traditional look, like the new 38. It's not a half-bad looking boat.

As for L. Francis Herreshoff's designs, they are among the most gorgeous
boats ever penned or lofted. Cannell, Payne, and Page have one for sale
currently, a 44' boat bearing #1, built in 1905, and while it isn't cheap,
it will draw admiring stares everywhere it sails, not to mention that it can
carry a ****load of sail as well.

Max

Off center companionways bug me. Sure it can make sense to give more room
to the galley, etc etc, but I just don't like it. Some therwise wonderful
boats have that feature, though.


Maxprop wrote:
Like some of the Hinckleys and the Mason 43/44, for example. My Sea Sprite
34 is slightly offset, but only slightly. I don't think it poses a risk
during a knockdown, especially with the massive keel we have and the 5'
draft.


I was thinking aesthetics, but the safety aspect shouldn't be
overlooked. A lot of schooners and ketches have off set companionways to
get it out of the way of the mast... the Freedom 40s do, one of that
boat's few drawbacks.



.... Personally I think it is better for a boat to look good than to sail
good. :-) (apologies to Billy Crystal)


L. Francis Herreshoff once said, "If it looks right to your eye, chances
are it'll look right to the sea." Of course his mastery was in producing
boats that looked hypnotically right, and yet didn't have much in the way
of racing successes. Personally, while I think any boat that wins is
automatically beautiful, I also put a high value on looks and have only
owned one boat that was not at least pretty... some called the Hunter 19
cute, but it always looked pudgy to me.


The Hunter 19 wasn't bad compared with the current crop of Hunters.

No, but it's best feature is practicality... I kept telling myelf that
'function is beauty' but it didn't take. Too pudgy, too high
freeboard... but a lot of fun, and I realized that you don't have any
idea what a boat looks like when you're sailing it.


... Those
recent boats in the small to medium size range are positively homely, with
their arytenoid transoms and myriad dark glazing ports all over the house.
I find it amusing that the newest Hunters have returned to a more
traditional look, like the new 38. It's not a half-bad looking boat.


Their boats, even the Cherubini series, don't do much for me. In all
honesty, most mass-produced mass-marketed boats seem to be ungainly
compromises... they have to appeal to the lowest common denominator in
order to sell. Except for one-design racing boats, of course


As for L. Francis Herreshoff's designs, they are among the most gorgeous
boats ever penned or lofted. Cannell, Payne, and Page have one for sale
currently, a 44' boat bearing #1, built in 1905, and while it isn't cheap,
it will draw admiring stares everywhere it sails, not to mention that it can
carry a ****load of sail as well.



You mean this one?
http://www.cppyacht.com/boatsforsale/nautilus.htm

One of these would be a lot of fun to sail. There's an old early 1900s
Herreshoff sitting in a back lot in South Carolina, offered for free to
anybody that will restore her... been thinking about that, but my wife
would have to be dragged kicking & screaming away from the tugboat...
I'll give a her some more time to perfect her varnishing skills...

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

"DSK" wrote in message

You mean this one?
http://www.cppyacht.com/boatsforsale/nautilus.htm

Yup. NY30 #1, Nautilus. She's amazing, at least to my eyes.

One of these would be a lot of fun to sail. There's an old early 1900s
Herreshoff sitting in a back lot in South Carolina, offered for free to
anybody that will restore her... been thinking about that, but my wife
would have to be dragged kicking & screaming away from the tugboat... I'll
give a her some more time to perfect her varnishing skills...

Good luck. No takers here. I turned down a Herreshoff 12 1/2 a few years
back. It was a sad-looking little boat, but certainly worth restoration.
The owner wanted it in good hands--not sure why he thought mine were
qualified--but I simply didn't have the time or the motivation to tackle
such a project. I'm told it went to a Chicago gent who has about two more
years of work before completion. Properly restored, they seem to bring
quite a bit of money. But then they take a whole truckload of money and
time to restore, so it's probably not going to wash on the balance sheet.

Keep us posted.

Max