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Old Folk(Cont)
Dropped the keyboard and hit send key
Arthur Ritis shows up and stays the rest of the day. He doesn't like to stay in one place very long, so we travel from joint to joint. After such a busy day I'm really tired and glad to go to bed with Ben Gay. What a life! PS The Preacher came by the other day. He said at my age I should be thinking about the hereafter. I told him, "Oh, I do. All the time." No matter where I am, in the parlor, in the kitchen or down in the basement, I ask myself, "What am I HEREAFTER? The end of part two. Ole Thom |
Thom, today my Dad turns 80, we're having a birthday party tonight.
SV "Thom Stewart" wrote in message ... Dropped the keyboard and hit send key Arthur Ritis shows up and stays the rest of the day. He doesn't like to stay in one place very long, so we travel from joint to joint. After such a busy day I'm really tired and glad to go to bed with Ben Gay. What a life! PS The Preacher came by the other day. He said at my age I should be thinking about the hereafter. I told him, "Oh, I do. All the time." No matter where I am, in the parlor, in the kitchen or down in the basement, I ask myself, "What am I HEREAFTER? The end of part two. Ole Thom |
God Bless Him Scotty,
Us old *******s are really from a different time, good or bad, who knows? It is what makes us different and we know we are different. Can't help it. We do appreciate the love shown us We come from a time when cigarette smoking was OK. In our day we mowed grass. It wasn't worth $100 / ounce. Aids were people that worked for free. Fast food meant fish on Friday. We didn't know about instant coffee. TIME-SHARING meant moments together, like your Dad's Birthday Party. Hardware meant stuff from a Hardware Store. Software was like flannel PJ's and slippers. Made in Japan meant junk. Making Out meant you had a job that paid the bills. A nickel brought an ice cream cone, a big bar of candy, a telephone call even a postage stamp with change. Your Dad and I are SURVIVORS from another time so celebrate his Birthday and overlook the "Generation Gap" We can't help it any more than you! Ole Thom HAPPY BIRTHDAY!!! |
Hey, if we didn't like you, we wouldn't keep paying your Social Security...
"Thom Stewart" wrote in message ... God Bless Him Scotty, Us old *******s are really from a different time, good or bad, who knows? It is what makes us different and we know we are different. Can't help it. We do appreciate the love shown us We come from a time when cigarette smoking was OK. In our day we mowed grass. It wasn't worth $100 / ounce. Aids were people that worked for free. Fast food meant fish on Friday. We didn't know about instant coffee. TIME-SHARING meant moments together, like your Dad's Birthday Party. Hardware meant stuff from a Hardware Store. Software was like flannel PJ's and slippers. Made in Japan meant junk. Making Out meant you had a job that paid the bills. A nickel brought an ice cream cone, a big bar of candy, a telephone call even a postage stamp with change. Your Dad and I are SURVIVORS from another time so celebrate his Birthday and overlook the "Generation Gap" We can't help it any more than you! Ole Thom HAPPY BIRTHDAY!!! |
"katysails" wrote in message Hey, if we didn't like you, we wouldn't keep paying your Social Security... Like we have a choice . . . Max |
shhhh..don't tell him that...
"Maxprop" wrote in message k.net... "katysails" wrote in message Hey, if we didn't like you, we wouldn't keep paying your Social Security... Like we have a choice . . . Max |
Geez THom, all that was true when I was growing up too, and
bedamned if I'm _that_ old! Thom Stewart wrote: God Bless Him Scotty, Us old *******s are really from a different time, good or bad, who knows? It is what makes us different and we know we are different. Can't help it. We do appreciate the love shown us We come from a time when cigarette smoking was OK. In our day we mowed grass. It wasn't worth $100 / ounce. Aids were people that worked for free. Fast food meant fish on Friday. We didn't know about instant coffee. TIME-SHARING meant moments together, like your Dad's Birthday Party. Hardware meant stuff from a Hardware Store. Software was like flannel PJ's and slippers. Made in Japan meant junk. Making Out meant you had a job that paid the bills. A nickel brought an ice cream cone, a big bar of candy, a telephone call even a postage stamp with change. Your Dad and I are SURVIVORS from another time so celebrate his Birthday and overlook the "Generation Gap" We can't help it any more than you! Ole Thom HAPPY BIRTHDAY!!! -- Flying Tadpole ------------------------- http://music.download.com/timfatchen http://music.download.com/internetopera http://www.soundclick.com/flyingtadpolemusic.htm |
Hey guys, I paid my legal share for 38 years on SS, don't bitch because
I've lived long enough to get into the funds money. I thank you all from the bottom of my "Stented Heart" Ole Thom |
you a grandpappy...you dat old...
"Flying Tadpole" wrote in message ... Geez THom, all that was true when I was growing up too, and bedamned if I'm _that_ old! Thom Stewart wrote: God Bless Him Scotty, Us old *******s are really from a different time, good or bad, who knows? It is what makes us different and we know we are different. Can't help it. We do appreciate the love shown us We come from a time when cigarette smoking was OK. In our day we mowed grass. It wasn't worth $100 / ounce. Aids were people that worked for free. Fast food meant fish on Friday. We didn't know about instant coffee. TIME-SHARING meant moments together, like your Dad's Birthday Party. Hardware meant stuff from a Hardware Store. Software was like flannel PJ's and slippers. Made in Japan meant junk. Making Out meant you had a job that paid the bills. A nickel brought an ice cream cone, a big bar of candy, a telephone call even a postage stamp with change. Your Dad and I are SURVIVORS from another time so celebrate his Birthday and overlook the "Generation Gap" We can't help it any more than you! Ole Thom HAPPY BIRTHDAY!!! -- Flying Tadpole ------------------------- http://music.download.com/timfatchen http://music.download.com/internetopera http://www.soundclick.com/flyingtadpolemusic.htm |
I can remember a nickel admission for a movie and 5 cents for popcorn... I
can remember when the Five&Dime only charged 5 cents to 10 cents for goods. I can remember 50 cents for a pack of smokes and 10 cents for a coffee with free refills. I'm going to be 50 this year..... I don't even have one grey hair yet! CM .. "katysails" wrote in message ... you a grandpappy...you dat old... "Flying Tadpole" wrote in message ... Geez THom, all that was true when I was growing up too, and bedamned if I'm _that_ old! Thom Stewart wrote: God Bless Him Scotty, Us old *******s are really from a different time, good or bad, who knows? It is what makes us different and we know we are different. Can't help it. We do appreciate the love shown us We come from a time when cigarette smoking was OK. In our day we mowed grass. It wasn't worth $100 / ounce. Aids were people that worked for free. Fast food meant fish on Friday. We didn't know about instant coffee. TIME-SHARING meant moments together, like your Dad's Birthday Party. Hardware meant stuff from a Hardware Store. Software was like flannel PJ's and slippers. Made in Japan meant junk. Making Out meant you had a job that paid the bills. A nickel brought an ice cream cone, a big bar of candy, a telephone call even a postage stamp with change. Your Dad and I are SURVIVORS from another time so celebrate his Birthday and overlook the "Generation Gap" We can't help it any more than you! Ole Thom HAPPY BIRTHDAY!!! -- Flying Tadpole ------------------------- http://music.download.com/timfatchen http://music.download.com/internetopera http://www.soundclick.com/flyingtadpolemusic.htm |
I'm so sorry that alopecia hit you so early! Have you tried Rogaine?
"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message news:14h%d.83201$fc4.22793@edtnps89... I can remember a nickel admission for a movie and 5 cents for popcorn... I can remember when the Five&Dime only charged 5 cents to 10 cents for goods. I can remember 50 cents for a pack of smokes and 10 cents for a coffee with free refills. I'm going to be 50 this year..... I don't even have one grey hair yet! CM . "katysails" wrote in message ... you a grandpappy...you dat old... "Flying Tadpole" wrote in message ... Geez THom, all that was true when I was growing up too, and bedamned if I'm _that_ old! Thom Stewart wrote: God Bless Him Scotty, Us old *******s are really from a different time, good or bad, who knows? It is what makes us different and we know we are different. Can't help it. We do appreciate the love shown us We come from a time when cigarette smoking was OK. In our day we mowed grass. It wasn't worth $100 / ounce. Aids were people that worked for free. Fast food meant fish on Friday. We didn't know about instant coffee. TIME-SHARING meant moments together, like your Dad's Birthday Party. Hardware meant stuff from a Hardware Store. Software was like flannel PJ's and slippers. Made in Japan meant junk. Making Out meant you had a job that paid the bills. A nickel brought an ice cream cone, a big bar of candy, a telephone call even a postage stamp with change. Your Dad and I are SURVIVORS from another time so celebrate his Birthday and overlook the "Generation Gap" We can't help it any more than you! Ole Thom HAPPY BIRTHDAY!!! -- Flying Tadpole ------------------------- http://music.download.com/timfatchen http://music.download.com/internetopera http://www.soundclick.com/flyingtadpolemusic.htm |
Fear not... I have a full head of hair... albeit thinning a bit on the
crown..... but nowhere near bald. It's been like that for years. CM "katysails" wrote in message ... I'm so sorry that alopecia hit you so early! Have you tried Rogaine? "Capt. Mooron" wrote in message news:14h%d.83201$fc4.22793@edtnps89... I can remember a nickel admission for a movie and 5 cents for popcorn... I can remember when the Five&Dime only charged 5 cents to 10 cents for goods. I can remember 50 cents for a pack of smokes and 10 cents for a coffee with free refills. I'm going to be 50 this year..... I don't even have one grey hair yet! CM . "katysails" wrote in message ... you a grandpappy...you dat old... "Flying Tadpole" wrote in message ... Geez THom, all that was true when I was growing up too, and bedamned if I'm _that_ old! Thom Stewart wrote: God Bless Him Scotty, Us old *******s are really from a different time, good or bad, who knows? It is what makes us different and we know we are different. Can't help it. We do appreciate the love shown us We come from a time when cigarette smoking was OK. In our day we mowed grass. It wasn't worth $100 / ounce. Aids were people that worked for free. Fast food meant fish on Friday. We didn't know about instant coffee. TIME-SHARING meant moments together, like your Dad's Birthday Party. Hardware meant stuff from a Hardware Store. Software was like flannel PJ's and slippers. Made in Japan meant junk. Making Out meant you had a job that paid the bills. A nickel brought an ice cream cone, a big bar of candy, a telephone call even a postage stamp with change. Your Dad and I are SURVIVORS from another time so celebrate his Birthday and overlook the "Generation Gap" We can't help it any more than you! Ole Thom HAPPY BIRTHDAY!!! -- Flying Tadpole ------------------------- http://music.download.com/timfatchen http://music.download.com/internetopera http://www.soundclick.com/flyingtadpolemusic.htm |
And, you haven't learned anything in all that time!
-- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Capt. Mooron" wrote in message news:14h%d.83201$fc4.22793@edtnps89... I can remember a nickel admission for a movie and 5 cents for popcorn... I can remember when the Five&Dime only charged 5 cents to 10 cents for goods. I can remember 50 cents for a pack of smokes and 10 cents for a coffee with free refills. I'm going to be 50 this year..... I don't even have one grey hair yet! CM . "katysails" wrote in message ... you a grandpappy...you dat old... "Flying Tadpole" wrote in message ... Geez THom, all that was true when I was growing up too, and bedamned if I'm _that_ old! Thom Stewart wrote: God Bless Him Scotty, Us old *******s are really from a different time, good or bad, who knows? It is what makes us different and we know we are different. Can't help it. We do appreciate the love shown us We come from a time when cigarette smoking was OK. In our day we mowed grass. It wasn't worth $100 / ounce. Aids were people that worked for free. Fast food meant fish on Friday. We didn't know about instant coffee. TIME-SHARING meant moments together, like your Dad's Birthday Party. Hardware meant stuff from a Hardware Store. Software was like flannel PJ's and slippers. Made in Japan meant junk. Making Out meant you had a job that paid the bills. A nickel brought an ice cream cone, a big bar of candy, a telephone call even a postage stamp with change. Your Dad and I are SURVIVORS from another time so celebrate his Birthday and overlook the "Generation Gap" We can't help it any more than you! Ole Thom HAPPY BIRTHDAY!!! -- Flying Tadpole ------------------------- http://music.download.com/timfatchen http://music.download.com/internetopera http://www.soundclick.com/flyingtadpolemusic.htm |
Bwahahaaaaa... male pattern baldness. But, wait.. in your case, that
wouldn't be applicable. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Capt. Mooron" wrote in message news:tDh%d.83217$fc4.81245@edtnps89... Fear not... I have a full head of hair... albeit thinning a bit on the crown..... but nowhere near bald. It's been like that for years. CM "katysails" wrote in message ... I'm so sorry that alopecia hit you so early! Have you tried Rogaine? "Capt. Mooron" wrote in message news:14h%d.83201$fc4.22793@edtnps89... I can remember a nickel admission for a movie and 5 cents for popcorn... I can remember when the Five&Dime only charged 5 cents to 10 cents for goods. I can remember 50 cents for a pack of smokes and 10 cents for a coffee with free refills. I'm going to be 50 this year..... I don't even have one grey hair yet! CM . "katysails" wrote in message ... you a grandpappy...you dat old... "Flying Tadpole" wrote in message ... Geez THom, all that was true when I was growing up too, and bedamned if I'm _that_ old! Thom Stewart wrote: God Bless Him Scotty, Us old *******s are really from a different time, good or bad, who knows? It is what makes us different and we know we are different. Can't help it. We do appreciate the love shown us We come from a time when cigarette smoking was OK. In our day we mowed grass. It wasn't worth $100 / ounce. Aids were people that worked for free. Fast food meant fish on Friday. We didn't know about instant coffee. TIME-SHARING meant moments together, like your Dad's Birthday Party. Hardware meant stuff from a Hardware Store. Software was like flannel PJ's and slippers. Made in Japan meant junk. Making Out meant you had a job that paid the bills. A nickel brought an ice cream cone, a big bar of candy, a telephone call even a postage stamp with change. Your Dad and I are SURVIVORS from another time so celebrate his Birthday and overlook the "Generation Gap" We can't help it any more than you! Ole Thom HAPPY BIRTHDAY!!! -- Flying Tadpole ------------------------- http://music.download.com/timfatchen http://music.download.com/internetopera http://www.soundclick.com/flyingtadpolemusic.htm |
Tad,
Do you remember gasoline at 11 cents a gallon. Do you remember a new Chevy or Ford for $6oo. Do you remember damn few people could afford to by a new car. We were born before Fm radio, television, frozen food, plastic, polioshots, ball point pens,dishwashers, clothes driers, credit cards, air conditioners, electric blankets, pantyhose, the PILL! We could get 10 cent for a Saturday afternoon movie if we could find enough empty soda bottle to take back to the grocery store for deposit. ( Made of glass) ROCK Music was a Grandma's lullaby sung in a rocking chair We knew gasoline, car tires, sugar, butter and meat rationing. I remember unpaved road with three ruts in them. Two made by wagon wheels and the middle one made by the horse But WE SURVIVED!! If you remember life then you were born before WW2. If you were TAD, then you are on our side of the GENERATION GAP!! You're OLD Ole Thom |
Kate;
That is a Blessing I'll miss. I'll never know Grandchildren. My line ends with my Son and Daughter Ole Thom |
Dave,
My IOU's have been more than "PAID IN FULL" many years ago. I've no complaints, believe me and thank you. Ole Thom |
Maybe you should consider Rogaine then so there is no further depletion...
"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message news:tDh%d.83217$fc4.81245@edtnps89... Fear not... I have a full head of hair... albeit thinning a bit on the crown..... but nowhere near bald. It's been like that for years. CM "katysails" wrote in message ... I'm so sorry that alopecia hit you so early! Have you tried Rogaine? "Capt. Mooron" wrote in message news:14h%d.83201$fc4.22793@edtnps89... I can remember a nickel admission for a movie and 5 cents for popcorn... I can remember when the Five&Dime only charged 5 cents to 10 cents for goods. I can remember 50 cents for a pack of smokes and 10 cents for a coffee with free refills. I'm going to be 50 this year..... I don't even have one grey hair yet! CM . "katysails" wrote in message ... you a grandpappy...you dat old... "Flying Tadpole" wrote in message ... Geez THom, all that was true when I was growing up too, and bedamned if I'm _that_ old! Thom Stewart wrote: God Bless Him Scotty, Us old *******s are really from a different time, good or bad, who knows? It is what makes us different and we know we are different. Can't help it. We do appreciate the love shown us We come from a time when cigarette smoking was OK. In our day we mowed grass. It wasn't worth $100 / ounce. Aids were people that worked for free. Fast food meant fish on Friday. We didn't know about instant coffee. TIME-SHARING meant moments together, like your Dad's Birthday Party. Hardware meant stuff from a Hardware Store. Software was like flannel PJ's and slippers. Made in Japan meant junk. Making Out meant you had a job that paid the bills. A nickel brought an ice cream cone, a big bar of candy, a telephone call even a postage stamp with change. Your Dad and I are SURVIVORS from another time so celebrate his Birthday and overlook the "Generation Gap" We can't help it any more than you! Ole Thom HAPPY BIRTHDAY!!! -- Flying Tadpole ------------------------- http://music.download.com/timfatchen http://music.download.com/internetopera http://www.soundclick.com/flyingtadpolemusic.htm |
Yeah, we wouldn't want him to end up like Neal!! Bald as an egg!
Bwahahahaaaaaaa -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "katysails" wrote in message ... Maybe you should consider Rogaine then so there is no further depletion... "Capt. Mooron" wrote in message news:tDh%d.83217$fc4.81245@edtnps89... Fear not... I have a full head of hair... albeit thinning a bit on the crown..... but nowhere near bald. It's been like that for years. CM "katysails" wrote in message ... I'm so sorry that alopecia hit you so early! Have you tried Rogaine? "Capt. Mooron" wrote in message news:14h%d.83201$fc4.22793@edtnps89... I can remember a nickel admission for a movie and 5 cents for popcorn... I can remember when the Five&Dime only charged 5 cents to 10 cents for goods. I can remember 50 cents for a pack of smokes and 10 cents for a coffee with free refills. I'm going to be 50 this year..... I don't even have one grey hair yet! CM . "katysails" wrote in message ... you a grandpappy...you dat old... "Flying Tadpole" wrote in message ... Geez THom, all that was true when I was growing up too, and bedamned if I'm _that_ old! Thom Stewart wrote: God Bless Him Scotty, Us old *******s are really from a different time, good or bad, who knows? It is what makes us different and we know we are different. Can't help it. We do appreciate the love shown us We come from a time when cigarette smoking was OK. In our day we mowed grass. It wasn't worth $100 / ounce. Aids were people that worked for free. Fast food meant fish on Friday. We didn't know about instant coffee. TIME-SHARING meant moments together, like your Dad's Birthday Party. Hardware meant stuff from a Hardware Store. Software was like flannel PJ's and slippers. Made in Japan meant junk. Making Out meant you had a job that paid the bills. A nickel brought an ice cream cone, a big bar of candy, a telephone call even a postage stamp with change. Your Dad and I are SURVIVORS from another time so celebrate his Birthday and overlook the "Generation Gap" We can't help it any more than you! Ole Thom HAPPY BIRTHDAY!!! -- Flying Tadpole ------------------------- http://music.download.com/timfatchen http://music.download.com/internetopera http://www.soundclick.com/flyingtadpolemusic.htm |
No thanks.... I don't take medication unless it's absolutely required.
Maybe an aspirin once or twice a year. I rarely get headaches, maybe once every five years.... I don't take meds for that either. If the hair wants to go.. let it. Anyway... I shave myself bald twice a year as it is. CM "katysails" wrote in message ... Maybe you should consider Rogaine then so there is no further depletion... "Capt. Mooron" wrote in message news:tDh%d.83217$fc4.81245@edtnps89... Fear not... I have a full head of hair... albeit thinning a bit on the crown..... but nowhere near bald. It's been like that for years. CM "katysails" wrote in message ... I'm so sorry that alopecia hit you so early! Have you tried Rogaine? "Capt. Mooron" wrote in message news:14h%d.83201$fc4.22793@edtnps89... I can remember a nickel admission for a movie and 5 cents for popcorn... I can remember when the Five&Dime only charged 5 cents to 10 cents for goods. I can remember 50 cents for a pack of smokes and 10 cents for a coffee with free refills. I'm going to be 50 this year..... I don't even have one grey hair yet! CM . "katysails" wrote in message ... you a grandpappy...you dat old... "Flying Tadpole" wrote in message ... Geez THom, all that was true when I was growing up too, and bedamned if I'm _that_ old! Thom Stewart wrote: God Bless Him Scotty, Us old *******s are really from a different time, good or bad, who knows? It is what makes us different and we know we are different. Can't help it. We do appreciate the love shown us We come from a time when cigarette smoking was OK. In our day we mowed grass. It wasn't worth $100 / ounce. Aids were people that worked for free. Fast food meant fish on Friday. We didn't know about instant coffee. TIME-SHARING meant moments together, like your Dad's Birthday Party. Hardware meant stuff from a Hardware Store. Software was like flannel PJ's and slippers. Made in Japan meant junk. Making Out meant you had a job that paid the bills. A nickel brought an ice cream cone, a big bar of candy, a telephone call even a postage stamp with change. Your Dad and I are SURVIVORS from another time so celebrate his Birthday and overlook the "Generation Gap" We can't help it any more than you! Ole Thom HAPPY BIRTHDAY!!! -- Flying Tadpole ------------------------- http://music.download.com/timfatchen http://music.download.com/internetopera http://www.soundclick.com/flyingtadpolemusic.htm |
(Thom Stewart) said:
I've lived long enough to get into the funds money. Dave wrote: What funds money? It's already been spent. You're just collecting on IOUs. Yep. The IOUs happen to be Treasury bonds, the most secure investment in the world; also the financial instrument that makes defeicit spending possible. So- there are two good reasons to drop this particular line of malarkey. DSK |
What funds money? It's already been spent. You're just collecting on IOUs.
Yep. The IOUs happen to be Treasury bonds, the most secure investment in the world; also the financial instrument that makes defeicit spending possible. Dave wrote: Not quite. He's collecting on the IOUs represented by the guvmint's promise to pay SS benefits. ??? Since when is that an IOU? It seems pretty straightforward to me... Thom is qualified for SS benefits, they give him the money. No IOUs involved, unless you think President Bush is deliberately lying when he says he's not going to cut current benefits due. ..... Since we're paying more in in SS taxes than the amount going out, the guvmint is spending the rest of the money Whoa right there. "The guv'mint" isn't "spending the money." It is paying out SS benefits... which covers a lot more than just retirees, BTW. While the SS excess has been used for decades to mask the true size of the deficit, the gov'mint is NOT spending SS money on other things and it never has. ... and giving IOUs for it in the form of bonds. Yep... as I said, Treasury bonds, the most secure investment available *and* the means for Bush's deficit financing. ... Once the money being paid by us working stiffs isn't enough to pay out the current benefits, the guvmint will (it is hoped) start paying off the bond IOUs from some combination of income taxes on working stiffs and the proceeds of issuing more bond IOUs, so it can use that money to pay the SS IOUs. What a tangled web you try to weave. Why are you worried about the U.S. government defaulting on it's debt obligations? If that does happen 1- it will largely be because of extremely irresponsible fiscal policy by the Bush/Cheney crowd and 2- we'll all have much worse problems, as US default is likely to bring on a world wide economic crisis. It's a scheme worthy of Enron. I thought you claimed Ken Lay wasn't guilty of anything? DSK |
You don't take Rogaine...you spray it on your scalp...
"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message news:qOn%d.80155$i6.40582@edtnps90... No thanks.... I don't take medication unless it's absolutely required. Maybe an aspirin once or twice a year. I rarely get headaches, maybe once every five years.... I don't take meds for that either. If the hair wants to go.. let it. Anyway... I shave myself bald twice a year as it is. CM "katysails" wrote in message ... Maybe you should consider Rogaine then so there is no further depletion... "Capt. Mooron" wrote in message news:tDh%d.83217$fc4.81245@edtnps89... Fear not... I have a full head of hair... albeit thinning a bit on the crown..... but nowhere near bald. It's been like that for years. CM "katysails" wrote in message ... I'm so sorry that alopecia hit you so early! Have you tried Rogaine? "Capt. Mooron" wrote in message news:14h%d.83201$fc4.22793@edtnps89... I can remember a nickel admission for a movie and 5 cents for popcorn... I can remember when the Five&Dime only charged 5 cents to 10 cents for goods. I can remember 50 cents for a pack of smokes and 10 cents for a coffee with free refills. I'm going to be 50 this year..... I don't even have one grey hair yet! CM . "katysails" wrote in message ... you a grandpappy...you dat old... "Flying Tadpole" wrote in message ... Geez THom, all that was true when I was growing up too, and bedamned if I'm _that_ old! Thom Stewart wrote: God Bless Him Scotty, Us old *******s are really from a different time, good or bad, who knows? It is what makes us different and we know we are different. Can't help it. We do appreciate the love shown us We come from a time when cigarette smoking was OK. In our day we mowed grass. It wasn't worth $100 / ounce. Aids were people that worked for free. Fast food meant fish on Friday. We didn't know about instant coffee. TIME-SHARING meant moments together, like your Dad's Birthday Party. Hardware meant stuff from a Hardware Store. Software was like flannel PJ's and slippers. Made in Japan meant junk. Making Out meant you had a job that paid the bills. A nickel brought an ice cream cone, a big bar of candy, a telephone call even a postage stamp with change. Your Dad and I are SURVIVORS from another time so celebrate his Birthday and overlook the "Generation Gap" We can't help it any more than you! Ole Thom HAPPY BIRTHDAY!!! -- Flying Tadpole ------------------------- http://music.download.com/timfatchen http://music.download.com/internetopera http://www.soundclick.com/flyingtadpolemusic.htm |
OK: to set the scene, no, I was post WWII but still within the
wrong half of the 20th Century. SO: Thom Stewart wrote: Tad, Do you remember gasoline at 11 cents a gallon. No, but I remember it at 25 cents: plus 5c for the oil to run my 2-stroke DKW. Do you remember a new Chevy or Ford for $6oo. Do you remember damn few people could afford to by a new car. I have vague memories of a RUgby, and a 30's Vauxhall, but the first car we had was second-hand, when I was 14... We were born before Fm radio, Yep television That arrived when I was 11/12 , frozen food, plastic, Yep polioshots, My brother had polio. Kids my age in calipers were common. Most of them died young. ball point pens, Steel nibs and inkwells at school dishwashers, clothes driers, credit cards, 26 y.o., 40y.o. 32 y.o. air conditioners, Still don't have one of those (other than in the car) electric blankets, No, they were around for all I can remember pantyhose, the PILL! They weren't around when I first became interested in females; they were once I was able to do something about my interests...one was great but the other was a real nuisance; do you think that was intentional? We could get 10 cent for a Saturday afternoon movie if we could find enough empty soda bottle to take back to the grocery store for deposit. ( Made of glass) Still was that in the 50's. Hey, 1/3 (=12 cents) bought: a pie or pastie for lunch, with a buttered fruit bun, and a bottle of Coke, and a couple of biscuits for morning recess. ROCK Music was a Grandma's lullaby sung in a rocking chair Heh: I didn't find out about rock music till I was 13... We knew gasoline, car tires, sugar, butter and meat rationing. NOW you're making me feel younger. None of the above I remember unpaved road with three ruts in them. Two made by wagon wheels and the middle one made by the horse Unpaved roads stretching for hundreds of miles are still a big part of my life. Re the horses: no, no ruts, but horses used for inner-city milk and bread deliveries, yes. But WE SURVIVED!! If you remember life then you were born before WW2. If you were TAD, then you are on our side of the GENERATION GAP!! You're OLD NO I'm not! All the above just demonstrates how much longer the same sort of existence continued. Some things to add: GOing to school a few miles down the line by steam train, usually pulled out by a 4-6-0, sometimes tender first, occasionally by bigger steam (depending on what was on the roster) and the return trip in a Brill car. Riding the four-wheeler streetcars on holidays in Ballaarat. Watching as a kid the coaster ketches Stormbird and Hawk (the former lost--in a typhoon in the SOuth CHina Sea, from memory--the latter still going strong as a gentleman's yacht, back to her original rig of a Revenooer Schooner) being loaded with bagged wheat at Edithburgh, the wharfies riding the brakes of the little fourwheel rail trucks as they went down the slope to the jetty (and a horse to pull empty trucks back up to the wheat stacks on the low clifftop). As a teenager fishing on the Port Adelaide breakwater, watching one of the last trading 3-masted schooners sailing in: no topmasts but still with a jib and forestaysail set. And that last was mid 1960s. -- Flying Tadpole ------------------------- http://music.download.com/timfatchen http://music.download.com/internetopera http://www.soundclick.com/flyingtadpolemusic.htm |
CM,
Sorry, 50 cents a packet makes you a kid. Go back to when they were 15c & 20c and there weren't any vending machines. Damn Kids don't "Remember When" I bet you don't even remember when "Lucky Strike Green Went to War!" Do you know that Lucky Strikes use to come in a green pack? They were one of the 20c packs Ole Thom. http://community.webtv.net/tassail/ThomsPage |
"Dave" wrote
IOUs for it in the form of bonds. Once the money being paid by us working stiffs isn't enough to pay out the current benefits, the guvmint will (it is hoped) start paying off the bond IOUs from some combination of income taxes on working stiffs and the proceeds of issuing more bond IOUs, so it can use that money to pay the SS IOUs. Yup. Good old RR, king of the neocons, ran up huge deficites and threw a party, just like GWB is doing right now. They call it prosperity. Conservatives call it madness. Democrats under Clinton tried to fix the mess but he got a BJ and that's alot worse than putting us $trillions in debt. So when your SS taxes no longer pay benefits, then there will have to be a big tax increase to pay the bills from RR's party - and it won't be on the rich. Later on your kids will get to pay for GWB's fun. But the people of Iraq will have been made free to elect an Iranian style democracy. Enjoy the party .... |
Whoa right there. "The guv'mint" isn't "spending the money." It is
paying out SS benefits... which covers a lot more than just retirees, BTW. While the SS excess has been used for decades to mask the true size of the deficit, the gov'mint is NOT spending SS money on other things and it never has. Dave wrote: Let me get this straight. The guvmint takes more in in SS taxes than it pays out in SS benefits. It exchanges the extra money it takes in for bonds. Now it has the money and the SS trustees have IOUs called bonds. So what do you say it's doing with the money it exchanges for bonds? Putting it under the Treasury Secretary's mattress until the bonds come due? I don't think so. It uses the money to pay salaries, buy goods and services, etc.--things we generally call "spending." So it's a legal money-laundering scheme. It's still not the same as spending the SS money, any more than I can claim I paid for my neighbor's house because his mortgage is held by a bank in which I'm a depositor. You should be glad that the SS Trust Fund is buying Uncle Sam's IOUs (ie Treasury bonds, the most secure investment possible). Otherwise Bush & Cheney's deficit spending would have to be entirely financed by the Japanese, Chinese, French, etc etc. DSK |
I thought you claimed Ken Lay wasn't guilty of anything?
Dave wrote: A few months ago I was more conversant with the ins and the outs of the Enron fraud than I am now. Not sure I ever addressed Lay's culpability. Certainly Andy Fastow was responsible for some accounting fraud, however. Seems likely to me that the previous CFO was in on the gag too; if Lay is guilty of nothing else he's is certainly guilty of fraud & conspiracy to fraud. I certainly don't know all the convoultions of SEC rules, but advising other people to buy Enron stock when he himself was borrowing money from Enron to buy optioned stock and immediately selling it, strikes me as extremely fraudulent. DSK |
You should be glad that the SS Trust Fund is buying Uncle Sam's IOUs (ie
Treasury bonds, the most secure investment possible). Otherwise Bush & Cheney's deficit spending would have to be entirely financed by the Japanese, Chinese, French, etc etc. Dave wrote: You have it just backwards, Doug. I disagree. ... Think about it for a minute. I have, for more than that, even. ... If you have a pension from GM, and you're concerned about whether GM will have the money to pay it, would you rather your pension fund be invested in GM promissory notes, or promissory notes of a bunch of other solid companies which are extremely unlikely to all fail at the same time? Multiple companies, of course... but how is this relevant? For one thing, no private company can print it's own money; for another, if Uncle Sam defaults on our debt we will have a full-blown world-wide economic crisis to worry about; for a third, Uncle Sam is already the guarantor of all companies private pension plans already... in fact this is another impending blow-up... Congress already answered that question for private pension funds. Their ability to hold employer securities is extremely limited. If we wanted a secure investment for the SS money to be sure the money would be there, rather than a smoke and mirrors system, we'd be lending the excess SS payments to the Japanese, Chinese, French, Swiss, etc., not to the outfit that owes the SS benefits anyway. IMHO you're the one who has it backwards... why would the Japanese, Chinese, French, Swiss, etc etc pay private US citizens retirement benefits when they could default at no risk? The way the current system is set up, default is *very* risky to the borrower. This should give a great deal of reassurance to those dependent on the proceeds of that debt. DSK |
"Dave" wrote But I do remember seeing a tool in the basement for rolling your own that dated from WWII--I presume because the store-bought cigs were rationed. that wasn't for tobacco, Dave. Scotty |
Dave,
Here goes "Old Remember When" again. I do believe that Roll Your Own was called a Target. They became popular during WW2 when we were in the Armed Services. We could buy a pack of Cig. for 5c. The tobacco companies weren't ready for that. The Civilian supply became real short. The story we got, when they upped production they couldn't get the green paper because of all the "olive drab the military was using. We all believed it was a cost cutting move to use white paper. Anyway, they came out with a slogan; "Lucky Strike Green has gone to War" How could we call them cheap after that? Ah yes, I remember. Ole Thom |
"Dave" wrote in message
... On Mon, 21 Mar 2005 08:14:41 -0500, "Vito" said: Yup. Good old RR, king of the neocons, ran up huge deficites and threw a party, just like GWB is doing right now. They call it prosperity. Conservatives call it madness. Democrats under Clinton tried to fix the mess Sorry, Vito, but SS's problems antedate RR by quite some time. They're inherent in the system's Ponzi scheme structure. Last time the Dems "tried to fix the mess" was 1983, when they applied the usual Dem remedy of raising taxes. I'm addressing deficit problems not SS problems, Dave. The SS Trust is just one place RR and now Bush borrowed trillions. In about 10 years, the SS Admin will have to begin recalling those bonds and taxpayers will have to begin repaying those deficits. I'll prolly be dead. So I'll say thanks to all you younger taxpayers who must now finance RR's "prosperity" - it was quite a party! The Iraqis should thank you for financing their Iran-style "democracy" too, but they prolly send suicide bombers instead. |
I certainly don't know all the convoultions of SEC rules, but advising
other people to buy Enron stock when he himself was borrowing money from Enron to buy optioned stock and immediately selling it, strikes me as extremely fraudulent. Dave wrote: Depends entirely on how much he knew of the fraudulent accounting. Well, by the letter of the law, you're right, but golly gee didn't he ever scan a statement of cash flows? Here he was borrowing money from a company that was sinking... no, plummeting... so he could buy underpriced stock to sell... while requiring his employees to buy it... and publicly urging everyone else to buy also. It may be that my "fraud-o-meter" is a bit too sensitive, but if I were fool enough to have been burned by his shenanigans, I'd be thinking about vigilante justice. Some fault lies also in the U.S. accounting system that relies on rigid rules to determine who is "at risk" for an asset, and the way those rules are applied, rather than relying on the auditors to step back make some judgment calls. Sure, but that's why a lot of audit companies also have management consulting contracts (a conflict of interest in many cases). ... Many of the problems would have occurred even if Enron's partnership transactions had complied fully with the rules, because Enron's "investment" in the Enron partnerships consisted entirely of Enron's own stock. Yep. I spotted that even before the crash, a friend of mine was riding that train and thanks to my advice he didn't get burned as badly as he might have. ... If the auditors had taken a big picture look at the entire structure instead of focusing on technical rules, they should have concluded that the structure was unsound. Of course not... instead they were busy helping Enron flout the rules, up to & including shredding documents after the crash finally came. IMHO the accounting profession has to tighten things up quite a lot, preferably within the context of professional behavior rather than laws. DSK |
"Scott Vernon" said:
that wasn't for tobacco, Dave. Dave wrote: Back then it was, Scotty. Gee Dave, you think nobody smoked marijuana before 1965? It was legal up until the 1930s, and commonly used by women for menstrual cramps. AFAIK they didn't use bongs though. Growing hemp was also a defense industry... ropes for the Navy... in the 1800s there was a hemp plantation near New Bern. My my how times have changed! DSK |
Multiple companies, of course... but how is this relevant? For one
thing, no private company can print it's own money; for another, if Uncle Sam defaults on our debt we will have a full-blown world-wide economic crisis to worry about; for a third, Uncle Sam is already the guarantor of all companies private pension plans already... in fact this is another impending blow-up... Dave wrote: Very basic principle called diversification. Sure... if we were talking about something other than a gov't program holding excess funds in anticipation of disbursement, I'd agree. It would even make sense to hold some percent in equities... if we were talking about something else... ... One country can default. (Some Latin American countries seem to do it regularly.) Chances of several defaulting is much less. As to the private pension situation, I'm not sure Javits got it right with ERISA in setting up the guvmint insurance scheme, encouraging unions to negotiate unsustainable defined benefit pension levels. Long-term, however, it seems to be moving in the right direction by shrinking the defined benefit universe and increasing the defined contribution universe. Yep, but the bail-out... and the crash of some pension programs... is going to hurt a lot of people. The political fall-out could be huge... of course it could amount to nothing, also. IMHO you're the one who has it backwards... why would the Japanese, Chinese, French, Swiss, etc etc pay private US citizens retirement benefits when they could default at no risk? If our SS fund were holding their bonds, they would pay those bonds for the same reason any country pays its bonds. If they don't, their borrowing ability going forward is severely limited, whether that borrowing is from our SS trustees or somebody else.. Except that we don't live in Japan. If Japan defaults, the Japanese nation as a whole would suffer economic reverses. If Japan defaults owing you or me money, we also suffer a loss. It may be stated that holding solely US bonds in the SS Trust Fund is a lack of diversification... but this ignores the point that SS is *not* an investment. Advocates of President Bush's plan often overlook this point... IMHO deliberately, in the same way they use derogatory phrases like "empty promises" and "IOUs". It also could be said that since US Treasuries are the safest & most secure investment available, why would you want anything else in the SS Trust Fund? The name is "security" not Social High Risk / High Return. In fact (to repeat a point) Social Security doesn't *have* any "return." And unlike Japan, Switzerland, etc etc, the US can always print money and hand it out to beneficiaries if default looms. You'd look very cute asking retirees to take part of their income in francs, part in yen, etc etc. The way the current system is set up, default is *very* risky to the borrower. This should give a great deal of reassurance to those dependent on the proceeds of that debt. The question, of course, is whether you want to have one borrower that could default, or several, none of whom represents the whole ball of wax. We agree that diversification... as a general principle... is a very good idea. This is a special case IMHO. A corollary BTW is that one should always invest in the stock of a monopoly one is forced to do business with. DSK |
Doug,
Around 1942 I played Clarinet and doubled on Sax. With all the musicians drafted we could pick up a couple of bucks playing gigs with the traveling bands passing thru. After one job I went to a party in the wee hours of the morning. After a few drinks, the hostess brought out a silver tray of "Rolled Weed" I was so sure the Cops would be crashing thru the door any minute. I couldn't make my good byes fast enough. I was just a boy of 16 and sure I was hooked after the first drag. As Clinton said later, I didn't inhale Ole Thom |
Gee Dave, you think nobody smoked marijuana before 1965?
Dave wrote: I'm pretty damn sure it was extremely rare in the rural Midwest in 1940-45. Rare? Yes. Nonexistent? No. Extremely rare? I guess that depends. DSK |
Did you get the reffer madness?
Joe |
Dave wrote:
Doug, Nobody's holding any "excess funds." Really? ... The money is collected from workers and immediately goes out. Some pays benefits, and the rest is "borrowed" by the outfit that's promising to pay future benefits in exchange for its IOU, and is immediately spent. And you're talking about accounting in another thread? Hoo boy. You get things all backwards, and want to denigrate both the Treasury (specifically) and the U.S. gov't (generally). Nothing is "borrowed" from Social Security. Money collected from SS taxes is either spent or invested in US treasury bonds... the most secure investment possible. Maybe after I tell you this 15 times it will begin to sink in. That makes Social Security a lender, not a borrower. This kind of repetitive & misleading crapola is why I am extremely dubious about Bush's SS plan. Anything that relies on deceit & ignorance to gain approval is *not* likely to be a good fiscal policy. It doesn't matter to me personally, I am very unlikely to rely on Social Security for more than a miniscule portion of my retirement income. But it's reassuring to see the poll numbers for Bush's plan dropping... maybe this is the one time he won't be able to fool a slim majority. Yep, but the bail-out... and the crash of some pension programs... is going to hurt a lot of people. The political fall-out could be huge... of course it could amount to nothing, also. To some extent it may. One thing I meant is that this may be another item that President Bush will shed some of his teflon coating. ... Most people don't understand that the full amount of their accrued pension is not covered by the insurance. The problem is declining, however, as more and more companies go to plans in which employees have their own accounts. Yep. If the problem holds off long enough, it will go away. But right now it appears we haven't seen the peak yet. ... Of course they also take more market risk in these accounts. Those kinds of plans are not covered by the guvmint insurance. You mean like individual 401Ks ;) ... If Japan defaults, the Japanese nation as a whole would suffer economic reverses. If Japan defaults owing you or me money, we also suffer a loss. Whoever lent the Japanese government money, whether Japanese of not, would suffer. In fact, just substitute the U.S. for Japan in the above and you see just what I mean. Yep. Except that Japan's economy is not as big as ours, and if Japan defaulted it would not cause as much of a world wide crisis (more below). It may be stated that holding solely US bonds in the SS Trust Fund is a lack of diversification... but this ignores the point that SS is *not* an investment. Advocates of President Bush's plan often overlook this point... IMHO deliberately, in the same way they use derogatory phrases like "empty promises" and "IOUs". Taxpayers are parting with money today in the form of SS taxes, and expecting to get something back in the future. Labeling it as an investment or something else doesn't advance the analysis. It also can be misrepresented that the individual paying SS taxes is making an investment... which is absolutely not the case. SS is more like an insurance plan... and guess what, insurance companies invest in all kinds of things, including US bonds... It also could be said that since US Treasuries are the safest & most secure investment available, why would you want anything else in the SS Trust Fund? Ever hear of German gold bonds? I know where you can get a bunch of them. You keep harping on this as though it wasn't your team that's running the deficit up like a rocket. If the US gov't defaults, which I (and 99.9% of the sane world) consider extremely unlikely, then it will be largely because of Bush & Cheney's deficits. And (maybe after 15 times this will sink in too) if the US defaults, then we will have a world crisis that will rival the Great Depression & WW2 rolled into one. And unlike Japan, Switzerland, etc etc, the US can always print money and hand it out to beneficiaries if default looms. You'd look very cute asking retirees to take part of their income in francs, part in yen, etc etc. If the US tries to solve the problem by simply printing money, I'd prefer the francs, yen, etc. If you'd swapped for Euros about 6 months ago, you'd be doing great. However, if you hold US bonds and we decide to print our way out of debt, you get cash. If your holding somebody elses bonds and they decide to, you probably get nothing since you have to return the bonds to the central bank of the country that issued them. Bond history is interesting... at one point, a person I know acquired some old Russian (by "old" I mean Tsarist) bonds... which he thought were worthless. They were issued in face values of British pounds. But the amount was large enough to be worth checking out, and glory be! He got quite a nice payday because the Russian gov't at that time (just after the Yeltsin takeover) was *very* interested in preserving it's credit rating. Of course, not many years later, Russia played a con game of forcing foreign holders of businesses in Russia to buy a new bond issue, and then defaulted on them. This is a special case IMHO. "Special case" is the term one uses when he can't accept the proposition that the rules governing all other cases suggest a different answer. Except that I'm not the one trying to misrepresent Social Security, US Treasury bonds, and the likelihood of US default. DSK |
Thom Stewart wrote:
Doug, Around 1942 I played Clarinet and doubled on Sax. With all the musicians drafted we could pick up a couple of bucks playing gigs with the traveling bands passing thru. After one job I went to a party in the wee hours of the morning. After a few drinks, the hostess brought out a silver tray of "Rolled Weed" I was so sure the Cops would be crashing thru the door any minute. I couldn't make my good byes fast enough. I was just a boy of 16 and sure I was hooked after the first drag. As Clinton said later, I didn't inhale Ole Thom Cool story. My nephew is playing the saxophone and getting into old jazz & big band music. I hope he's also being smart like you. Regards Doug King |
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