"Vito" wrote in message
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Most companies are run by professional mismanagers - bean counters with
MBAs. I doubt if it is universal but most MBAs I have known opted for
business degrees after flunking out of other more difficult disciplines
such
as sports announcing. Unions were a reaction to their bad management.

Unions were created way before MBA degrees existed. Most MBAs I know have
degrees in engineering or MD degrees.

After
much turmoul, unions became an accepted and beneficial part of America.
And
then what did they do? Why hire the same incompetents mismanage
themselves!!

Where did Jimmy Hoffa get his MBA? George Sweeney?

These trusted mismanagers either made "sweetheart" deals with
company mismanagers that made both rich at the expense of stockholders and
employees or, if the ompany managers didn't play, they duped the rank and
file into unrealistic demands that drove the employers overseas or into
bankruptcy.

Union members voted on contracts. So the union leaders were out to either
screw the union or screw the company. By what you're saying, union members,
as an aggregate, must be really ignorant.

Twarn't the stockholders (owners) or the workers, it was the
professional mismanagers on both sides of the bargaining tables.


No, it was the Mob Mentality of the Union membership. They were too ignorant
to act in their own individual best interests. Remember the motto:

"None of us are as dumb as all of us"

History is strewn with the wreckage of collectivism. Unions are just some
more scrap on the heap.


Amen!

Bob Crantz

"Bob Crantz" wrote

Unions were created way before MBA degrees existed. Most MBAs I know have
degrees in engineering or MD degrees.

But not before professional mismanagers. How many do you know, two - one who
failed as an engineer and the other as an MD?

Where did Jimmy Hoffa get his MBA? George Sweeney?

Trucking is a poor example - both the business and the union being run by
the mobs.

Union members voted on contracts. So the union leaders were out to either
screw the union or screw the company. By what you're saying, union
members,
as an aggregate, must be really ignorant.

Yes - almost as ignorant as the people who reelected Bush.

History is strewn with the wreckage of collectivism.

Oh? Then why is Christianity - the epitomy of socialism - enjoying a
resurgence?

"Vito" wrote in message
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"Bob Crantz" wrote

Unions were created way before MBA degrees existed. Most MBAs I know
have
degrees in engineering or MD degrees.

But not before professional mismanagers. How many do you know, two - one
who
failed as an engineer and the other as an MD?

Outside of my class, I know about 30. 6 of them are MD/MBA the rest are
engineers/MBA. So is the MBA degree a formalization of the professional
mismanagement? Ganz has an MBA, what has he mismanaged?



Where did Jimmy Hoffa get his MBA? George Sweeney?

Trucking is a poor example - both the business and the union being run by
the mobs.

Unions exist only because of government legislation or coercion. They're a
monopoly design to limit people entering the labor pool or the people an
employer can hire. That's how they hold a gun to the head of employers. They
are a monopoly! There are other unions too - The American Medical
Association, The Postal Workers Union, Airline Pilots Union. Why is it that
any industry that is heavily unionized has high cost, inefficiency and
bloated bureaucracy? Name one that doesn't. Give me a good example.



Union members voted on contracts. So the union leaders were out to
either
screw the union or screw the company. By what you're saying, union
members,
as an aggregate, must be really ignorant.

Yes - almost as ignorant as the people who reelected Bush.

Or elected Carter or Clinton.


History is strewn with the wreckage of collectivism.

Oh? Then why is Christianity - the epitomy of socialism - enjoying a
resurgence?

Is it? Joining a religion is voluntary. I don't have to join a Church to
pray. If I want to work, I may be forced to join a Union.

I view the return to religion as a return to morality - that's what religion
teaches. The Unionized public school system is amoral. It is not in their
doctrine to teach absolute right or wrong. Since public schools are the
state and church and state must be separated, morality goes out the window.
I am aware that the Church has no monopoly on morality, but not teaching the
tenets of the Ten Commandments to avoid association with religion flushes
morality down the toilet. So what's left to teach - The Constitution - in a
public school? BWAAAHAAAHAHA! Give me a break, do you want the State
teaching about the very document that limits the powers of the State?

It's obvious you are jaded, perhaps from some previous employer, to the
point of saying irrational things. It's like this: People complain all the
time about how WalMart mistreats their workers. They go on and on about how
no one should shop there. "If no one shops WalMart, they would collapse!".
My solution is much simpler, more effective and direct. Why try to get
hundreds of thousands not to shop at WalMart. Simply get a smaller group,
the employees and potential employees not to work there. I say, "If WalMart
is so bad, don't work there." When the labor pool dries up, they will offer
better. Not to shop there only hurts the current employees. Stop blaming
others for something bad in your past. Accept your responsibility in it and
move on.

Amen!

Praise!

Glory!

Bob Crantz

"Bob Crantz" wrote
Outside of my class, I know about 30. 6 of them are MD/MBA the rest are
engineers/MBA. So is the MBA degree a formalization of the professional
mismanagement? Ganz has an MBA, what has he mismanaged?

Oh, now I understand your indignation! You are one of the mismanagers.

"Bob Crantz" wrote in message

Ganz has an MBA, what has he mismanaged?

Gaynzy has a Master of Boned Ass???

CM

Bob Crantz wrote:

I view the return to religion as a return to morality

What in Hell has religion got to do with morality?

About as much as Republicanism has to do with conservatism.

Rick