Scott Vernon wrote:
"Joe" wrote
Same here. Even with a center cockpit I like to always bow in, Just
easier getting on and off,


How so?

The Capt. Chair is on the stbd side and in the way when boarding. So
port side to bow in is the best for me. And I have a huge amount of
Dock to port as well, and a finger pier to stbd. It has more to do with
dock and boat than a general rule.


more privacy and most slips shallow close to
land so sinking in the mud up past the props is something I try to
avoid.


A slip near the end of the dock negates this.


Me two, but my bow pulpit is still 8 inches over the dock at the bow.
40 ft slip.

Joe


Scotty

Lonny Bruce wrote:
I thought of training my old wife

I don't have an "old wife" or an ex wife. I chose a good woman and treat
her properly. Instead of behaving like a grammar school smart aleck,
maybe you could learn something.

DSK

DSK wrote: Instead of behaving like a grammar school smart aleck,
maybe you could learn something.


Oh yeah? Well, I am rubber and you are glue, and what you say bounces off
me and sticks to you!

L

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"DSK" wrote in message
.. .
Lonny Bruce wrote:
I thought of training my old wife

I don't have an "old wife" or an ex wife. I chose a good woman and treat
her properly. Instead of behaving like a grammar school smart aleck, maybe
you could learn something.

DSK

Lonny Bruce wrote:
Oh yeah? Well, I am rubber and you are glue, and what you say bounces off
me and sticks to you!


I'm sure your next ex-wife finds such behavior charming.

DSK

Another good point you mentioned earlier was warping. Not rocket
science, in fact to me it seems quite obvious... although some
precautions are in order. And people get awfully funny about
stringing
lines across fairways inside the marina.

Joe wrote:
Anyone who needs to warp or spring under good weather condition leaving
the average slip just need more practice IMO. Next you will be
suggesting bow thrusters!


Nothing wrong with having a bow thruster, as long as you don't use it as
a crutch or an excuse to not learn boat handling.

Nothing wrong with using springs or warps either, if the conditions
warrant it. For example, there could be just barely enough wind blowing
onto the dock that if you use a spring to put the boat into the wind, it
looks like a piece of cake, but if you try to just bull it away from the
pier, you're flirting with swapping gelcoat. The trick is to know when
and do it so that it looks easy. So what if the dockside onlookers all
scoff and say 'he shouldn't have done that, look how easy it was.'

DSK

"DSK" wrote in message

If the boat moves when you push it, it's not a crab crusher. Maybe you
mean a sustained shove? I can move our tugboat by hand, but it takes a bit
of grunt & some patience.


It depends entirely on the conditions at hand..... but you've seen the
specs on Overproof and it is most certainly in the Crab Crusher quadrant.
With a constant firm push ( or sustained shove as you put it) ..... I can
back it to the end of a finger pier and maneuver it to point in the general
direction required prior to stepping aboard and engaging the engine. This is
what I routinly do when departing a slip. I rarely use tha auxilliary to
back out of a slip since the vessel is relucant to heed the tiller... even
with manipulation of the throttle/gear.

Another good point you mentioned earlier was warping. Not rocket science,
in fact to me it seems quite obvious... although some precautions are in
order. And people get awfully funny about stringing lines across fairways
inside the marina. I thought of training our old dog to take a spring line
in his teeth, swim it out & put a wrap on a piling, then bring it back
when the boat was clear. Don't know if my wife would have agreed to let
her baby do that, though.

I can't see a circumstance that would require spanning a fairway to warp a
vessel out of a slip and setting the bow to the wind. I use a bow and stern
spring. ...when backing the vessel I place pull to the bow spring and use
the stern spring to control direction. Once the vessel has reached the point
amidships to the end of the finger pier or slip... I simply pull in on the
stern spring while fending off the vessel. Once momentum is established I
step aboard and put the vessel into gear. Both spring bitter ends are in the
cockpit and can be removed and stowed when clear of the marina.

I'm not saying this should or could be done with every vessel, nor am I
recommending it's use to anyone else... it's simply what works for me.

People who have difficulty docking and departing from a slip should
seriously consider the alternative of a mooring and use of the community
dock to load and unload quests and supplies as these locations are often
much easier to approach and depart.

CM

Capt. Mooron wrote:
It depends entirely on the conditions at hand..... but you've seen the
specs on Overproof and it is most certainly in the Crab Crusher quadrant.
With a constant firm push ( or sustained shove as you put it) ..... I can
back it to the end of a finger pier and maneuver it to point in the general
direction required prior to stepping aboard and engaging the engine.

The boat can be pivoted easier by hand (or line) than by engine &
rudder... you don't even have to apply torque, although I've seen people
trying to twist the tops off pilings as though they were screw-top
bottles... just push at either end, or for that matter along any axis
not through the boat's CLR.

Another thing to bear in mind, even in calm conditions don't tempt fate
by putting a part of your body between the boat & any solid object.


... This is
what I routinly do when departing a slip. I rarely use tha auxilliary to
back out of a slip since the vessel is relucant to heed the tiller... even
with manipulation of the throttle/gear.


"Reluctant to heed the tiller" is not a good characteristic for a
cruising boat IMHO.


Another good point you mentioned earlier was warping. Not rocket science,
in fact to me it seems quite obvious... although some precautions are in
order. And people get awfully funny about stringing lines across fairways
inside the marina.


Capt. Mooron wrote:
I can't see a circumstance that would require spanning a fairway to warp a
vessel out of a slip and setting the bow to the wind.

I can. Easily. It's happened to us a couple of times. When space is too
tight to get the bow into the wind, and there is no way to safely let
the bow go downwind & back out, your options are to either set up a warp
or wait until conditions change.



People who have difficulty docking and departing from a slip should
seriously consider the alternative of a mooring and use of the community
dock to load and unload quests and supplies as these locations are often
much easier to approach and depart.


Or practice until they can do it well.

Nobody was born knowing how to maneuver a heavy boat. We all have to
learn. In fact, I'd go so far as to say we all have more to learn...
some more than others, of course

DSK

"DSK" wrote in message

Another thing to bear in mind, even in calm conditions don't tempt fate by
putting a part of your body between the boat & any solid object.

Agreed... that is why we have crew.

"Reluctant to heed the tiller" is not a good characteristic for a cruising
boat IMHO.

Under power in reverse only... due entirely because I'm swinging an
undersized screw. A three bladed 13" with a #19. This is a restriction
imposed by design of the prop well and overpowered auxilliary. The walk to
starboard is truely awesome to behold. Under sail she heeds the tiller very
well.... even backing under the main... which is why I prefer to sail to
the dock.


I can. Easily. It's happened to us a couple of times. When space is too
tight to get the bow into the wind, and there is no way to safely let the
bow go downwind & back out, your options are to either set up a warp or
wait until conditions change.

In those conditions I utilize my 3 foot bowsprit as a hold. Due to the
momentum of the vessel I can push off and step aboard the bowsprit prior to
making my way back to the cockpit as the vessel begins to swing through the
wind. I can easily catch it as the bow points into the wind and apply
throttle.

Or practice until they can do it well.

Yes.. unfortunatly for most it seems to interfere with the use of the vessel
for pleasure... then they scratch their heads when they find themselves in a
situation requireing precise manuervering.

Nobody was born knowing how to maneuver a heavy boat. We all have to
learn. In fact, I'd go so far as to say we all have more to learn... some
more than others, of course

Everyone should sail a season with no auxiliary..... that's when your
learning curve goes up exponentially.

CM

Capt. Mooron wrote:
When I operated my vessel with no auxiliary.... I found that the use of the
anchor as a kedge was one of the most beneficial methods to leave a dock.
You simply row the anchor out and pull the vessel to it..... no warps, no
muss, no fuss.

I dunno, I'd call kedging a type of warping, but that's a technicality.

... Mind you a crewmember does come in handy unless you are
prepared to run the anchor rode back to the cockpit winch to facilitate
retrieval after raising sail.

In an old cruising book I came upon the following quote, supposedly from
a retired Royal Navy captain: "Seamanship is the art of moving
impossibly heavy weights."

... If you think out your situation you can come
up with an effective method to achieve your goals.


Look, we're going to have to argue about something here or just end this
thread right here.

DSK

"DSK" wrote in message

Look, we're going to have to argue about something here or just end this
thread right here.

Ha Ha ha.... As soon as you're wrong... I'll be there for you Doug... to set
you on the right path as usual!

CM