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Donal March 16th 05 11:44 PM


"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...

"Donal" wrote in message
...
You are not allowed to drink it until you put up your mast.


just one?


I think that Haggie will deserve a pint when she gets a mast up. I'm
actually looking forward to it.

When her boat actually sails, I might have a small glass of champagne.

IMHO, Haggy's restoration is a *real* sailing project. All the regular
posters will be happy to see the boat sail again.


Regards

Donal
--




Donal March 16th 05 11:47 PM


"Joe" wrote in message
oups.com...

Donal wrote:

I've sent a pint of Guinness in the post. It should reach you next
Tuesday!

You are not allowed to drink it until you put up your mast.




Good for you Donal. Perhaps you can set an example to some here that
feel no honor is lost in not paying off on his bets.


I don't believe that anybody here would not pay off their lost bets. This
ng is a place of honour!!!



Regards


Donal
--




katysails March 17th 05 12:23 AM

HOORAY!!!! POLES!!! YOU"RE GONNA HAVE POLES!!!!

"Seahag" wrote in message
...

"Donal" wrote:

"Seahag" wrote :

Ah ha hahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You two owe me a beer!


I've sent a pint of Guinness in the post. It should reach you next
Tuesday!

You are not allowed to drink it until you put up your mast.


We were gonna do our taxes this weekend, but I guess we'll just have to
put the sticks up instead!

Seahag





katysails March 17th 05 12:24 AM

I can testify to that...Scotty paid off his bet to Bart....he just paid it
to the wrong person...

"Donal" wrote in message
...

"Joe" wrote in message
oups.com...

Donal wrote:

I've sent a pint of Guinness in the post. It should reach you next
Tuesday!

You are not allowed to drink it until you put up your mast.




Good for you Donal. Perhaps you can set an example to some here that
feel no honor is lost in not paying off on his bets.


I don't believe that anybody here would not pay off their lost bets. This
ng is a place of honour!!!



Regards


Donal
--






Jonathan Ganz March 17th 05 01:02 AM

Forget it Mooron. He's talking to real sailors who know how to command
their boat. You don't qualify.

In article MM_Zd.37984$ZO2.6125@edtnps84,
Capt. Mooron wrote:

Never entered my mind to use it to keep the bow to the wind under
manuever... but I'll try it this year.

CM


"Silver" wrote in message
...

What you are missing is windage aft to counteract your bow windage at
low revs and reduced rudder effect.


Besides, your mind is already pretty cramped. There's certainly no
room for anything else.

--
Jonathan Ganz (j gan z @ $ail no w.c=o=m)
http://www.sailnow.com
"If there's no wind, row."


Capt. Mooron March 17th 05 01:16 AM

I don't "command" my boat....... I command admiration and respect and awe
and subservience and loyalty and amazement and fear and compliance and envy
and adulation and applause and attention and reverence....... and all those
other really cool things.

But most of all I command the world to know that you Gaynzy... are a limp
wristed flaming HOMO!

Bwahahahahahahahahahaaaa.....

CM



"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...
Forget it Mooron. He's talking to real sailors who know how to command
their boat. You don't qualify.

In article MM_Zd.37984$ZO2.6125@edtnps84,
Capt. Mooron wrote:

Never entered my mind to use it to keep the bow to the wind under
manuever... but I'll try it this year.

CM


"Silver" wrote in message
...

What you are missing is windage aft to counteract your bow windage at
low revs and reduced rudder effect.


Besides, your mind is already pretty cramped. There's certainly no
room for anything else.

--
Jonathan Ganz (j gan z @ $ail no w.c=o=m)
http://www.sailnow.com
"If there's no wind, row."




Jonathan Ganz March 17th 05 02:48 AM

In article DT4_d.38532$ZO2.3091@edtnps84,
Capt. Mooron wrote:
I don't "command" my boat.......


Well, I certainly agree!!!! You're a loser, a non-sailor, and a freak.

--
Jonathan Ganz (j gan z @ $ail no w.c=o=m)
http://www.sailnow.com
"If there's no wind, row."


Thom Stewart March 17th 05 03:42 AM

Silver,

Great advice! Never even thought of it.
How about the riding sail? It does alright at anchor to keep a windward
heading. I'm going to give it a try. Sounds good.

Ole Thom




http://community.webtv.net/tassail/ThomsPage


Horvath March 17th 05 03:51 AM

On 16 Mar 2005 18:48:49 -0800, lid (Jonathan Ganz)
wrote this crap:

In article DT4_d.38532$ZO2.3091@edtnps84,
Capt. Mooron wrote:
I don't "command" my boat.......


Well, I certainly agree!!!! You're a loser, a non-sailor, and a freak.



He's not a homo, like you.






Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now!

Scott Vernon March 17th 05 05:38 AM

HEY ! I sent it where you told me to send it. I always do as I'm
told.

Scotty

"katysails" wrote in message
...
I can testify to that...Scotty paid off his bet to Bart....he just

paid it
to the wrong person...

"Donal" wrote in message
...

"Joe" wrote in message
oups.com...

Donal wrote:

I've sent a pint of Guinness in the post. It should reach you

next
Tuesday!

You are not allowed to drink it until you put up your mast.



Good for you Donal. Perhaps you can set an example to some here

that
feel no honor is lost in not paying off on his bets.


I don't believe that anybody here would not pay off their lost

bets. This
ng is a place of honour!!!



Regards


Donal
--








Scott Vernon March 17th 05 05:58 AM

"Donal" wrote in message
You are not allowed to drink it until you put up your mast.


just one?


I think that Haggie will deserve a pint when she gets a mast up.

I'm
actually looking forward to it.



What about the other mast, doofus?



When her boat actually sails, I might have a small glass of

champagne.


how gauche of you.



IMHO, Haggy's restoration is a *real* sailing project. All the

regular
posters will be happy to see the boat sail again.



And you?



Silver March 17th 05 11:26 AM

No reason why not. You don't need a real sail - very little pressure is needed to "weathercock" the stern.


Quote:

Originally Posted by Capt. Mooron
Yeah well the idea has merit... I use a triangular piece of blue poly tarp
.... cut, sewn and grommeted to fit on the split of my backstay while at the
mooring at times. Keeps tension on the mooring lines, keeps the boat from
dancing, and offers a bit of privacy as well. I only use it when the wind
is shifty since my boat isn't prone to swing much on a mooring anyway.

Never entered my mind to use it to keep the bow to the wind under
manuever... but I'll try it this year.

CM


"Silver" wrote in message
...

What you are missing is windage aft to counteract your bow windage at
low revs and reduced rudder effect.

Any extra windage abaft the centre of effort will help. One
surprisingly efficient trick is to set a small sail (an old dinghy jib
would do) on the backstay when you want to back in the conditions you
describe. You can use the topping lift if you have a rigid boom strut
or any other spare halyard - set doesn't matter.

Let it flap until you want to turn, then haul it to weather. It will
spin you round into the wind quite easily and you have perfect control
according to the amount of weight you put on the sheet (you only need
one) When you want to stop turning, let fly and drop the sail at your
leisure. A little practice in open water helps, as this is a powerful
way to turn the boat. Give it a try.


--
Silver


Silver March 17th 05 11:38 AM

A riding sail is fine, in my experience. Only thing is - you may not need the whole sail, as very little pressure is needed to offset bow windage on the average light sailing boat. More on a full keeler, of course.

In the situation described in the first post, you have to be careful if the wind has an onshore (or on to the sterns of other boats) element, as the added windage could swing your stern inshore - to its better to get clear, give a touch on the "air rudder" to nudge the bow up and then let fly and motor ahead as soon as she is straight. This is, of course, also a situtation where a light floating line from the stern to the shore (another good basic technique if practicable) can be unhelpful because unless the crew is very nimble there is a danger of the whole boat being blown back on before the stern is turned and the line recovered.

This is quite a well known application of basic sailing principles to boat handling which I have used many times as a professional skipper, sailing many different boats. Its easy with a two masted rig, although I would often use only a small portion of the mizzen, depending on hull form, wind strength and other factors. With a single masted rig, the small sail or purpose made triangle
is an effective solution once you learn to handle it right.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thom Stewart
Silver,

Great advice! Never even thought of it.
How about the riding sail? It does alright at anchor to keep a windward
heading. I'm going to give it a try. Sounds good.

Ole Thom




http://community.webtv.net/tassail/ThomsPage


katysails March 17th 05 12:03 PM

...and I dutifully sent it back....did Bart ever get it?

"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...
HEY ! I sent it where you told me to send it. I always do as I'm
told.

Scotty

"katysails" wrote in message
...
I can testify to that...Scotty paid off his bet to Bart....he just

paid it
to the wrong person...

"Donal" wrote in message
...

"Joe" wrote in message
oups.com...

Donal wrote:

I've sent a pint of Guinness in the post. It should reach you

next
Tuesday!

You are not allowed to drink it until you put up your mast.



Good for you Donal. Perhaps you can set an example to some here

that
feel no honor is lost in not paying off on his bets.

I don't believe that anybody here would not pay off their lost

bets. This
ng is a place of honour!!!



Regards


Donal
--










Scott Vernon March 17th 05 03:09 PM

No. He said he doesn't want it. I think he's afraid to give me
his real address.

Scotty




"katysails" wrote in message
...
..and I dutifully sent it back....did Bart ever get it?

"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...
HEY ! I sent it where you told me to send it. I always do as

I'm
told.

Scotty

"katysails" wrote in message
...
I can testify to that...Scotty paid off his bet to Bart....he

just
paid it
to the wrong person...

"Donal" wrote in message
...

"Joe" wrote in message
oups.com...

Donal wrote:

I've sent a pint of Guinness in the post. It should reach

you
next
Tuesday!

You are not allowed to drink it until you put up your mast.



Good for you Donal. Perhaps you can set an example to some

here
that
feel no honor is lost in not paying off on his bets.

I don't believe that anybody here would not pay off their lost

bets. This
ng is a place of honour!!!



Regards


Donal
--












Joe March 17th 05 03:17 PM


katysails wrote:
I can testify to that...Scotty paid off his bet to Bart....he just

paid it
to the wrong person...



Well I wonder who that leaves... that did not pay off his election bet?

Joe


"Donal" wrote in message
...

"Joe" wrote in message
oups.com...

Donal wrote:

I've sent a pint of Guinness in the post. It should reach you

next
Tuesday!

You are not allowed to drink it until you put up your mast.



Good for you Donal. Perhaps you can set an example to some here

that
feel no honor is lost in not paying off on his bets.


I don't believe that anybody here would not pay off their lost

bets. This
ng is a place of honour!!!



Regards


Donal
--





Scott Vernon March 17th 05 03:39 PM

a question mark?




Martin Baxter March 17th 05 05:54 PM

Scott Vernon wrote:

a question mark?



Punctuation Nazi!

Cheers
Marty


Donal March 18th 05 12:15 AM


"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...
"Donal" wrote in message
You are not allowed to drink it until you put up your mast.

just one?


I think that Haggie will deserve a pint when she gets a mast up.

I'm
actually looking forward to it.



What about the other mast, doofus?


You really are a cruel *******! Why don't you give Haggie a break?

I shall celebrate when Haggie gets one mast up. If you want to demean her
achievement by pointing out that that she needs two masts, then I shall
assume that you are as worthless as BB.





When her boat actually sails, I might have a small glass of

champagne.


how gauche of you.


Gauche=Left. What are you suggesting?





IMHO, Haggy's restoration is a *real* sailing project. All the

regular
posters will be happy to see the boat sail again.



And you?



I'm with the regular posters on this. You????


Regards


Donal
--




Scott Vernon March 18th 05 12:30 AM

"Donal" wrote


What about the other mast, doofus?


You really are a cruel *******! Why don't you give Haggie a break?



Why don't you buy her a beer, ya cheap *******.



IMHO, Haggy's restoration is a *real* sailing project. All the

regular
posters will be happy to see the boat sail again.



And you?



I'm with the regular posters on this. You????



Honestly? I'll be a bit sad.

Scotty






katysails March 18th 05 01:37 AM

Why?

"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...
No. He said he doesn't want it. I think he's afraid to give me
his real address.

Scotty




"katysails" wrote in message
...
..and I dutifully sent it back....did Bart ever get it?

"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...
HEY ! I sent it where you told me to send it. I always do as

I'm
told.

Scotty

"katysails" wrote in message
...
I can testify to that...Scotty paid off his bet to Bart....he

just
paid it
to the wrong person...

"Donal" wrote in message
...

"Joe" wrote in message
oups.com...

Donal wrote:

I've sent a pint of Guinness in the post. It should reach

you
next
Tuesday!

You are not allowed to drink it until you put up your mast.



Good for you Donal. Perhaps you can set an example to some

here
that
feel no honor is lost in not paying off on his bets.

I don't believe that anybody here would not pay off their lost
bets. This
ng is a place of honour!!!



Regards


Donal
--














DSK March 18th 05 02:40 AM

Seahag wrote:
We were gonna do our taxes this weekend, but I guess we'll just have to put
the sticks up instead!


Are you serious? Your boat is gonna have *MASTS*?!?!!??!!!

YEEE-haw! This calls for breaking out the good stuff!

Congratulations, Haggie!

Fresh Breezes- Doug King


Seahag March 18th 05 02:43 AM


"Joe" wrote:

Donal wrote:

I've sent a pint of Guinness in the post. It should reach you next
Tuesday!

You are not allowed to drink it until you put up your mast.


Good for you Donal. Perhaps you can set an example to some here that
feel no honor is lost in not paying off on his bets.


It's OK, Joe, wasn't a bet. I just spit beer all over the saloon when I
read about the foot brains!

Seahag



Seahag March 18th 05 02:49 AM


"Martin Baxter" wrote:
Seahag wrote:

We were gonna do our taxes this weekend, but I guess we'll just have to
put the sticks up instead!


Holy Smokes! Max was right, the world has gone of its' axis! Imagine
Haggie with spars!


"katysails" wrote:

HOORAY!!!! POLES!!! YOU"RE GONNA HAVE POLES!!!!


Gawd, you two really go overboard with the sarcasm...sheesh!

Seahag




Seahag March 18th 05 02:54 AM


"Scott Vernon" wrote:
"Donal" wrote


What about the other mast, doofus?


You really are a cruel *******! Why don't you give Haggie a break?



Why don't you buy her a beer, ya cheap *******.



IMHO, Haggy's restoration is a *real* sailing project. All the
regular
posters will be happy to see the boat sail again.


And you?



I'm with the regular posters on this. You????



Honestly? I'll be a bit sad.


Awwww, you'll still be able to share tomato salads with us for awhile after
that.

Seahag



Scott Vernon March 18th 05 03:11 AM


"Seahag" wrote in message
...

"Scott Vernon" wrote:
"Donal" wrote


What about the other mast, doofus?

You really are a cruel *******! Why don't you give Haggie a

break?


Why don't you buy her a beer, ya cheap *******.



IMHO, Haggy's restoration is a *real* sailing project. All

the
regular
posters will be happy to see the boat sail again.


And you?


I'm with the regular posters on this. You????



Honestly? I'll be a bit sad.


Awwww, you'll still be able to share tomato salads with us for

awhile after
that.



yes, but for how long?


Scotty



katysails March 18th 05 05:02 AM

Ex-cuuuse me...that wasn't sarcasm...that was joyful salutation...that was
glee....that was happiness for your future....sheesh...can't even be happy
for anyone anymore...

"Seahag" wrote in message
...

"Martin Baxter" wrote:
Seahag wrote:

We were gonna do our taxes this weekend, but I guess we'll just have to
put the sticks up instead!


Holy Smokes! Max was right, the world has gone of its' axis! Imagine
Haggie with spars!


"katysails" wrote:

HOORAY!!!! POLES!!! YOU"RE GONNA HAVE POLES!!!!


Gawd, you two really go overboard with the sarcasm...sheesh!

Seahag






Thom Stewart March 18th 05 11:06 PM

Doug,

I agree with you on Wives. My one and only passed away in 1996. I still
miss her very much. Still consider myself married to her although she
isn't here.

Take care of the Wife guys. Marriage is a damn good system of living.
Learn to navigation through the trying times, just like you do your
vessel. It makes the overall journey just great

Ole Thom




http://community.webtv.net/tassail/ThomsPage


katysails March 19th 05 12:29 AM

You're such a nice old guy, Thom...your wife was lucky...

"Thom Stewart" wrote in message
...
Doug,

I agree with you on Wives. My one and only passed away in 1996. I still
miss her very much. Still consider myself married to her although she
isn't here.

Take care of the Wife guys. Marriage is a damn good system of living.
Learn to navigation through the trying times, just like you do your
vessel. It makes the overall journey just great

Ole Thom




http://community.webtv.net/tassail/ThomsPage




Donal March 19th 05 01:50 AM


"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...
"Donal" wrote


What about the other mast, doofus?


You really are a cruel *******! Why don't you give Haggie a break?



Why don't you buy her a beer, ya cheap *******.


Because I am a considerate sort of person.
The kind of beer that I would buy would probably knock the average American
unconscious. American's are not used to real beer.





IMHO, Haggy's restoration is a *real* sailing project. All the
regular
posters will be happy to see the boat sail again.


And you?



I'm with the regular posters on this. You????



Honestly? I'll be a bit sad.


Don't you have any other friends?



Regards

Donal
--




DSK March 19th 05 03:11 AM

Thom Stewart wrote:
Doug,

I agree with you on Wives. My one and only passed away in 1996. I still
miss her very much. Still consider myself married to her although she
isn't here.


Thom, it sounds like you are a lucky man and she was a lucky woman!


Take care of the Wife guys. Marriage is a damn good system of living.


Yes it is. Well worth waiting for in my case.

Life is intended to be a team sport!

Learn to navigation through the trying times, just like you do your
vessel. It makes the overall journey just great


So far so good... but then, we've only been married 12 years, still
newlyweds ;)

Regards
Doug King


Capt. Mooron March 19th 05 03:17 AM


"Donal" wrote in message

The kind of beer that I would buy would probably knock the average
American
unconscious. American's are not used to real beer.


I take it you haven't taken up Max on his recommendation of an American beer
called Samuel Adams? I asked for it at our local liquor store ... the clerk
laughed at me!!

CM



Capt. Mooron March 19th 05 03:33 AM


"DSK" wrote in message

Life is intended to be a team sport!


Nothin' says you have to be on the same team Doug!

CM



Scott Vernon March 19th 05 04:05 AM

"Donal" wrote


Why don't you buy her a beer, ya cheap *******.


Because I am a cheap Irishman.
The kind of beer that I would buy would probably knock the average

American
unconscious.


Oh c'mon, it can't smell *that* bad.




Honestly? I'll be a bit sad.


Don't you have any other friends?



Yes, but none that make a salad as good as Haggy does.

Scotty



Scott Vernon March 19th 05 04:08 AM


"Capt. Mooron" wrote

I take it you haven't taken up Max on his recommendation of an

American beer
called Samuel Adams? I asked for it at our local liquor store ...

the clerk
laughed at me!!


Why, did you have that swizzle stick up your nose again?

SV



Capt. Mooron March 19th 05 05:02 AM


"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...

"Capt. Mooron" wrote

I take it you haven't taken up Max on his recommendation of an

American beer
called Samuel Adams? I asked for it at our local liquor store ...

the clerk
laughed at me!!


Why, did you have that swizzle stick up your nose again?


No he started laughing as soon as I said "American Beer"....

CM



katysails March 19th 05 01:49 PM

Haggie spent a major portion out of the States..I don't think there's too
much that would knock her flat...

"Donal" wrote in message
...

"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...
"Donal" wrote


What about the other mast, doofus?

You really are a cruel *******! Why don't you give Haggie a break?



Why don't you buy her a beer, ya cheap *******.


Because I am a considerate sort of person.
The kind of beer that I would buy would probably knock the average
American
unconscious. American's are not used to real beer.





IMHO, Haggy's restoration is a *real* sailing project. All the
regular
posters will be happy to see the boat sail again.


And you?


I'm with the regular posters on this. You????



Honestly? I'll be a bit sad.


Don't you have any other friends?



Regards

Donal
--






DSK March 19th 05 02:47 PM

Because I am a considerate sort of person.
The kind of beer that I would buy would probably knock the average
American
unconscious. American's are not used to real beer.



katysails wrote:
Haggie spent a major portion out of the States..I don't think there's too
much that would knock her flat...


Let them cling to their illusions, in many cases it's all they have.

DSK


Scott Vernon March 19th 05 03:24 PM


"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message
news:TnO_d.65045$i6.6765@edtnps90...

"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...

"Capt. Mooron" wrote

I take it you haven't taken up Max on his recommendation of an

American beer
called Samuel Adams? I asked for it at our local liquor store ...

the clerk
laughed at me!!


Why, did you have that swizzle stick up your nose again?


No he started laughing as soon as I said "American Beer"....


Why, did you sttttttttttutter?




Capt. Mooron March 19th 05 04:20 PM


"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...

"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message
news:TnO_d.65045$i6.6765@edtnps90...

"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...

"Capt. Mooron" wrote

I take it you haven't taken up Max on his recommendation of an
American beer
called Samuel Adams? I asked for it at our local liquor store ...
the clerk
laughed at me!!

Why, did you have that swizzle stick up your nose again?


No he started laughing as soon as I said "American Beer"....


Why, did you sttttttttttutter?


No.. but I might have slurred a bit... Doesh ya got ny merican beersh like
shamual adumsh ....
He looked at me.. said "Ya mean Samuel Adams... Ha Ha Ha ha Ha ha ha ..
Seriously? Heh Frank this guy is asking if we stock Samuel Adams..." to
which Frank replied with a laugh... " Ha Ha Ha Ha ha ha ha.... get
serious, that's an American Beer, who'd want to drink that stuff?"

It was embarrassing..... I'm traumatized....

CM




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