On Wed, 02 Mar 2005 15:23:48 +1100, OzOne wrote this crap:

On Tue, 01 Mar 2005 22:42:42 -0500, Horvath
scribbled thusly:

On Tue, 1 Mar 2005 15:30:32 -0800, "JG" wrote
this crap:

That's true, but we have Bush as the President....


And the greatest President in History.


Have you whacko liberals seen the news from Lebanon?


Yeah, great isn't it, the people woke up and kicked out a really bad
Govt......you could learn from that!


We already have the greatest government in the history of the world.

Maybe you whacko liberals will wake up.


I already know your answer. ("Halliburton" "Halliburton")





Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now!

"Bart Senior" wrote in message
...

Overall an impressive job, but not worth the $10k
he made for his labors--which works out to $3.33/hr
or less.


Bart, how much per hour do you make when working on your boat?

Scotty

What else? There is lots more to it.

I know on smaller cats you dump the jib if
it tries to submarine. Is that true for big cat?

Unlike mono's where heading up often gets you
out of trouble, I understand on that Cat, bearing
away is the better choice.

OzOne wrote
On Tue, 1 Mar 2005 23:14:24 -0500, "Bart Senior"
scribbled thusly:

Can you name the principal differences in handling
a cat vs a monohull Oz?



Yep, cat's carve an arc much larger than a mono when they turn and in
doing so transfer weight to the outside hull.
Cats push the leeward bow down with sailing forces so you need to keep
this always in mind when you make any man ever which will increase
thos forces.
Theres lost of other stuff about where they carry the point around
which they pitch ( well aft ) which becomes relevant at higher speeds
in a sea.


Oz1...of the 3 twins.

I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.

This poor guy did tons of work and never got a chance
to sail his dreamboat--a tragedy. 3000 hours of work!

For myself, I won't make anything while working/repairing
it. The payback comes later, but it is not likely to be a huge
money maker--ever.

I want to make $600/day or $100 a head/day and $300 for
a half day, or $50/head/half-day. If I hire a Captain to run
it for me I'd make less than if I run it myself.

In reality, I'll be happy breaking even on my expenses
over the course of a year and having use of the boat.

Everything I make will be going back into the boat for
a while.

"Scott Vernon" wrote

"Bart Senior" wrote

Overall an impressive job, but not worth the $10k
he made for his labors--which works out to $3.33/hr
or less.


Bart, how much per hour do you make when working on your boat?

Scotty

I would think that bearing off would make things worse. Speed would
increase. I think dumping sails is the better move.

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"Bart Senior" wrote in message
...
What else? There is lots more to it.

I know on smaller cats you dump the jib if
it tries to submarine. Is that true for big cat?

Unlike mono's where heading up often gets you
out of trouble, I understand on that Cat, bearing
away is the better choice.

OzOne wrote
On Tue, 1 Mar 2005 23:14:24 -0500, "Bart Senior"
scribbled thusly:

Can you name the principal differences in handling
a cat vs a monohull Oz?



Yep, cat's carve an arc much larger than a mono when they turn and in
doing so transfer weight to the outside hull.
Cats push the leeward bow down with sailing forces so you need to keep
this always in mind when you make any man ever which will increase
thos forces.
Theres lost of other stuff about where they carry the point around
which they pitch ( well aft ) which becomes relevant at higher speeds
in a sea.


Oz1...of the 3 twins.

I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.

But the speed does increase if you bear off. It still seems like the best
move is to ease the sheets. You might level the boat, but that might not
help if a bow is buried.

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"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

OzOne wrote in message ...
On Wed, 2 Mar 2005 17:04:02 -0800, "JG"
scribbled thusly:

I would think that bearing off would make things worse. Speed would
increase. I think dumping sails is the better move.

Nope, heading up will throw more weight on that outside hull and push
the bow further down.
Bearing away levels the boat up.


Oz1...of the 3 twins.

I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.

Ahhhh... I new I missed something! Ok.. you're right then.

I sail a Seawind 1000 a fair amount... right on about the traveller.

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www.sailnow.com

OzOne wrote in message ...
On Wed, 2 Mar 2005 22:32:14 -0800, "JG"
scribbled thusly:

But the speed does increase if you bear off. It still seems like the best
move is to ease the sheets. You might level the boat, but that might not
help if a bow is buried.

I'm talking downwind here Jon, because that's where they tend to take
a dive.
Uphill, if you notice the bow starting to porpoise, you are pretty
much overpowered and need to feather up a little, ease the traveller,
and look at taking a slab out real soon.

If you are anywhere off the breeze and try to head up, apparent goes
nuts and you'll be going way to fast real quickly and making even more
breeze across the deck.

BTW the traveller guy is probably the most important guy on the boat
when you're pushing hard, he will be actually steering the boat a lot
of the time and can dump power real fast if needed.
A word of caution, always wear gloves when trimming the traveller,
I've seen a rope burn down to the bone! and actually wear 2 pairs of
gloves in the fresh when I'm on it.


Oz1...of the 3 twins.

I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.

Thanks for the input Oz. 10 pts.

I find very little written about sailing Multihulls, and hear lots
of BS.

What else can you tell us?

In sailing, speed is an addiction. A multihull is in my future.

OzOne wrote
On Wed, 2 Mar 2005 19:15:33 -0500, "Bart Senior"
scribbled thusly:

What else? There is lots more to it.
Bart, there's tons, but I'd really need to think about it because I
just do stuff without thinking about it.

I know on smaller cats you dump the jib if
it tries to submarine. Is that true for big cat?

Yep, but by then it's a bit late. Better to see it coming and ease
earlier or shorten sail.

Racing is really different to what you do cruising, or even getting
caught in some big scary stuff so the techniques are quite different.
Racing, you always have a hand on the sheets and more importantly
traveller ( they are monsters and often go the whole way across the
boat) pushing really hard, the boats are steered with the traveller
because it's quick to dump and faster to get back on than a mainsheet.

With a cruiser, like any mono, you shorten sail very early and don't
overstress the boat.
it's very easy to do because you appear to just get more speed and no
more heel, unlike a mono which will start to stagger if it's
overcanvassed.

One thing you never ever do is sail a fast multi without gloves, you
can easily get a rope burn right down to the bone. I wear 2 pairs of
gloves when it's fresh and I'm on the traveller!

Unlike mono's where heading up often gets you
out of trouble, I understand on that Cat, bearing
away is the better choice.

Yep, flattens out the boat...just like getting a bullet flying the
kite on a mono.
It really depends on what the conditions are like at that instant.
You wouldn't want to pull away and plow into the back of a wave at an
angle, but it's quite safe to run along the face of a wave then slide
up and over the back, along it, along the trough and then along the
face of the next wave where in a mono you'd probably quarter the sea.



Get a ride on a small lightweight multi, preferrably a tri, and you
will probably fall desperately in love.


Oz1...of the 3 twins.

I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.

BS wrote: In sailing, speed is an addiction. A multihull is in my
future.


Speed can also mean safety.

You should always try to leave on a journey right after a low passes, giving
you fair weather for (presumably) a few days. If you are fast you can
lengthen the time the 'good' weather sticks around. Or you can outrun the
'bad' weather with enough speed.

I put the words 'good' and 'bad' in quotes, because sometimes racers want
low pressures, as there is more wind. So the above comments refer to crusing
weather mainly.

Lonny

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"Bart Senior" wrote in message
...
Thanks for the input Oz. 10 pts.

I find very little written about sailing Multihulls, and hear lots
of BS.

What else can you tell us?

In sailing, speed is an addiction. A multihull is in my future.

OzOne wrote
On Wed, 2 Mar 2005 19:15:33 -0500, "Bart Senior"
scribbled thusly:

What else? There is lots more to it.
Bart, there's tons, but I'd really need to think about it because I
just do stuff without thinking about it.

I know on smaller cats you dump the jib if
it tries to submarine. Is that true for big cat?

Yep, but by then it's a bit late. Better to see it coming and ease
earlier or shorten sail.

Racing is really different to what you do cruising, or even getting
caught in some big scary stuff so the techniques are quite different.
Racing, you always have a hand on the sheets and more importantly
traveller ( they are monsters and often go the whole way across the
boat) pushing really hard, the boats are steered with the traveller
because it's quick to dump and faster to get back on than a mainsheet.

With a cruiser, like any mono, you shorten sail very early and don't
overstress the boat.
it's very easy to do because you appear to just get more speed and no
more heel, unlike a mono which will start to stagger if it's
overcanvassed.

One thing you never ever do is sail a fast multi without gloves, you
can easily get a rope burn right down to the bone. I wear 2 pairs of
gloves when it's fresh and I'm on the traveller!

Unlike mono's where heading up often gets you
out of trouble, I understand on that Cat, bearing
away is the better choice.

Yep, flattens out the boat...just like getting a bullet flying the
kite on a mono.
It really depends on what the conditions are like at that instant.
You wouldn't want to pull away and plow into the back of a wave at an
angle, but it's quite safe to run along the face of a wave then slide
up and over the back, along it, along the trough and then along the
face of the next wave where in a mono you'd probably quarter the sea.



Get a ride on a small lightweight multi, preferrably a tri, and you
will probably fall desperately in love.


Oz1...of the 3 twins.

I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.

I know it's probably a matter of expense, but it seems like the traveller
should be curved not straight across. Have you seen this sort of set up?
Does that make any sense? I like the boat a lot. Fast!

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

OzOne wrote in message ...
On Thu, 3 Mar 2005 10:04:27 -0800, "JG"
scribbled thusly:

Ahhhh... I new I missed something! Ok.. you're right then.

I sail a Seawind 1000 a fair amount... right on about the traveller.

Friend of mine has a Seawind 1000.


Oz1...of the 3 twins.

I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.